Forced birth control? I say YES!

reply to post by mountaindog


Too bad some of the posters here cannot get past the bad. It's usually how it is, the stories of the young single moms or dads that do the best they can with so little. My mom had my brother when she was 16 and she worked her butt off to make it. Working from retail to then waitressing. Then she became a nurses aid and did that for many years trying to get somehow get into nursing school. In the meantime she had me so she had two sons, married only briefly and did it on her own. She did eventually make it to nursing school and had a successful career in it. She was proud to say she fought her way through it with everyone against her, and was even prouder to brag to my aunts that she didn't need a man to do it while they had told her she couldn't do it without one. But I guess some people here feel they are the ones who decide what is right in the world. The bigotry i've seen in this thread is astounding, the imaginary pedestals are too high to be measured.

[edit on 14-5-2009 by itinerantseeker]

Originally posted by itinerantseeker
Too bad some of the posters here cannot get past the bad. It's usually how it is, the stories of the young single moms or dads that do the best they can with so little.

Or go to the prisons and find out how many of those convicts were raised in single parent households by unwed mothers who depended on government assistance. Especially if you take simple drug posession out of the mix and look at the violent criminals.

That says a lot too.

I'm sorry but to me this is just ridiculous. You cant have a system like this. You have people who dont believe in BC so how would that be fair to make someone go against their beliefs? Also what about those like me who have tried every form of BC and are allergic to it? My body rejects it and I get very sick from it. I know there are plenty of people out there who shouldnt be raising kids but it is a woman's right to have kids. It's a nice idea but it wouldnt work IMO. Nice post though.

reply to post by itinerantseeker


My mom raised 3 kids on her own as well. She worked many jobs and put herself through school all without any help from my dad. My mother never even dated until we all graduated HS and she just got married at 50. I give my mom a lot of credit for what she did. She never gave up and people did tell her she couldnt do it. All 3 of us graduated with honors and went to college.

reply to post by RRconservative


Right, so those babies and their mom can die of starvation.

I didn't know you believed in post-partum abortion!

as per the OP post...if we go that far why not also

1. Kill pedophiles, spouse abusers and bullies
   
2. Dismantle all megacorps
   
3. Bring down big brother
   
4. Stop all polluting
   
5. Create a culture that rewards learning and invention rather than money and power
   

in our dreams for now

Originally posted by theendisnear69
I don't get why people are still reproducing at all!

There are millions of children out there with no parents or proper care. Instead of breeding your own children why don't we help the world and care for those in need?

It literally is selfish to have your own children now.

The adoption racket is causing way too much heart break. Children are now being stolen from families which love them and can care for them. Many people are limiting the number of children they have but they still want more children especially girls. They want their daughters to have sisters; and women want daughters. Bounties are being placed on children with blond hair and blue eyes. Now it is not uncommon to hear of middle class families where people have status and education having blond blue eyed children stolen by CPS. I would rather people give birth to the children they want than steal children from other people.

reply to post by jackieps1975

Sory mods, but I am American, hear me scream.


No. This is not a controlled society. Go away with your stupid boo hoo syndrome of the poor humans who can't control themselves. If you support it, go rip out your own ovaries or tentacles and leave the rest of us alone.

I'm beginning to get very annoyed by these brand of people who think we, the poor humans, cause all problems and have to be treated like pets because we can;t control ourselves. GTFO and go do it yourself if your so patriotic of a perfect world of controlled society with no free will or ability to do anything that dares to go against the social norm.

Simply go die.

[edit on 15-5-2009 by Gorman91]

reply to post by Gorman91


First, you're an awful troll.

Second, we are the cause of all our ills and problems, and people like you are why no one takes responsibility for themselves.

I'm sorry, but I will not be blamed because some fat oil owners did something wrong, or because a nation half way around the would enjoyed decades of prosperity and economic growth with population boom. You cannot tell me that I cannot do simple things like have kids without your permission. I WILL bite the hand that tells me what to do.

And it is without a doubt impossible to force birth control. Try all you want, it will fail.

If it is a troll to defend free will, good. I will wear that crown with honor.

reply to post by jackieps1975


As long as men are mandated to go to sperm banks, deposit and the clipped, I'm for it too - but it has to be both!

reply to post by DaWhiz


ooops, I mean "and then clipped"

that's just disgusting on all sides.

As a society, we wouldn't need to force people onto birth control if we stopped allowing religion to dictate policy. Free birth control to anyone who wants it, plus free early-term abortions would solve the majority of this problem. In the long run, it would be a cheaper government program than food stamps.

reply to post by VelmaLu


But religion doesn't really influence birthrates in America. It's simply cultural. The belief that America is safe and so one can raise a big family. Immigrants do it so they get more successful children, established families do it to increase future rich kids.

So what then? force them to submit to your will?

Originally posted by jackieps1975
Forced birth control? I say YES!

Margaret Sanger would be proud.
Planned Parenthood would just looooove a moneymaker like you.
Eugenics anyone?

I understand your frustration but eugenics and ethnic cleansing
aren't the way to go.

reply to post by Sonya610


Those people made those decisons on their own, doesn't matter if they were raised by single parents depending on government assistance. I know people who grew up in very good homes but they still turned to crime and drugs. Are those people better than the ones that were raised by single parents? No. A criminal is a criminal, regardless of the way they were raised. Plus let us look at the many that are in prison. Are you aware that many are in prison for ridiculous crimes, and not to mention the ones that were wrongly convicted. Very bigoted of you to assume that prisoners are there because of being raised in a family situation you don't agree with. Plus it proves my point, you are only looking at the abusers of the system rather than the ones trying to make it.

Quote mellisamouse: “On the other hand the ones who don't even WANT to BE mothers, and are neglecting their kids, it is a shame for the kids, and for us who have to put up with the aftermath of thier child neglect..”

****Would it be a good idea to sterilize them? Or do we just go on complaining about it?.

You say nothing should ever be done to violate another’s free will….
You might want to rethink your statement. After all, criminals are just exercising their free will when they commit their crimes.

Also, maybe you haven’t noticed, but it is those people who don’t care to use birth control who are the problem.

mblahnikluver
A woman’s right to have kids?
You really should learn that your rights end when they impinge on the rights of another.
When her “right” to have kids takes money out of my pocket to support them then she has lost her right to have more kids.

1012, did you notice that God said to “replenish” meaning to fill again. So there must have been people here before this?
Also note, that he did not say to multiply until the fish of the sea are all eaten up, and the other animals are becoming extinct.

Quote Opus :”forced birth control/abortion than next stop forced euthanasia at 45 or 50 “
****Opus, your out of it.
Forced birth control via sterilization will be the coming thing, and only because of those who are not taking the responsibility for their own lives.
This will eliminate the need for abortion. .

Gorman, Are you a big fan of welfare? Do you like paying to raise someone else's children?
Do you like that many of these children grow up to be criminals?
Or do you think that maybe it would be better if their mommy & daddy had been forcibly sterilized?
And yes, it can be done.
Want that welfare check? Step into the next room and get up on that table.

reply to post by OhZone


Crime is related to society, education, and security. Abortion doesn't really do much to curtail it.



I'll repost a bit of math I did:

Crime has gone down by natural law. Look around. In WW1, did they have cameras, lasers, bomb checkers, speed readers, drug readers, breathalyzers, satellites, intense research on human emotions to predict future actions, electric microscopes, computer analysis....? That's all I can think of for now.

I'll show you a it of math.

Truth be told only 1.3 million get aborted each year. Yet +10 million crimes happen every year. The math and statistics counteract whatever the Times said. The probability of catching someone increases with more eyes. Crime has only dropped from 14 million cases to 11 million cases. if 1.3 happen each year, then the probability of catching a future criminal should have made it so that it should have dropped much more.

1.3 X 20 years of abortions = 26 million people aborted.

At it's highest, crime was 14 million. 14/248,709,873 = 5.6% criminals, + - 1% for repeat offenders.

26 X .056 = 1.456 possible criminals aborted over 20 years.

Crime rate has fallen 3.62 million in roughly 16 years. If current rates continue, it should be lowered by somewhere around 4.8 -5.

If one were to place birth to age 20, when a criminal would start around adulthood, we should see an extremely larger crime lowering. Criminals often suck other around them into crime, and those suck other around them into crime too.

Crime should be exponentially lowering by an extremely larger amount then current numbers. If it's only lowered by 5 million, that doesn't make sense, because it should be around 10-12 million, as one criminal's act would stop many others from criminally acting


Now here's where the technology comes in. 1990 was the birth of the beginnings of the internet. Networks started popping up alot, jumping in 1993 with windows 93 having the internet integrated. The growth in technology then made many of our modern anti-crime innovations begin to be looked into.

What I mentioned in my first paragraphs are all technologies of recent times.

Crime has not lowered because unwanted pregnancies were done away with. Crime was lowered because there was simply more eyes looking around.


I want you to take a week and look around your environment your best. Just try to look all around you how many anti-crime things exist around you.

You are always being watched, much more than in the 80s and early 90s. Every act you do is more than likely going to show up.

This causes less and less repeat offenders. It also causes more fear of punishments.


That's why the jails are overpopulated. Partly because if injustices, but much more so because you live in a controlled and observed society.

The times can say whatever it likes. But also remember that most news papers have interests. The Times is liberal, the post is conservative. Take a week also to by a post and times every day and look at the language and articles. You'll see that each is trying to be a good little servant for whatever group of people they serve.

Well - like I posted elsewhere -- People are habituated to the government as their savior and protector. This is just the dependency the big dog wants.

We're all going to die, we don't take anything with us, not one hair. We have and own nothing of real value, nothing of permanence. Often what are emotionally our "best friends" are really our worst enemies. They help to chain us to this world of lies. We all occupy the "Den of Thieves", the body. The thieves are the senses they draw us to the world and waste our spirits. Normal for here but still, just a trap. You're occupying a leather bad that is full of stench and rotting no matter what you do. Why do you love it so? You've been here countless thousands of times. Enduring pleasure and pain. Pleasure is more the trap than pain is. Yet we love the pleasure and despise the pain or turn the pain to pleasure. What a waste of spiritual potential.