Montauk Trouble

Originally posted by anonamousantichrist
i certainly would not be peeking my nose around that place. gives me the creeps just looking at pics.

You're kidding!

If i lived near there, i'd be poking my nose into everything that was unlocked around there!

A few thousand miles is too far to travel for a gander though..

My mistake dismissing the originally linked site as a blog, id not realised it was a newspaper website. To me this certainly doesn’t elevate the story to solid proof status though…

I hadn’t realised with the Live Search Maps you can actually rotate the image, ive never really used the site much previously. I rotated the image and was able to get a clear view of the NE side, showing the 3 protrusions clearly. This is the only side with this particular formation of them. It ties up with the ’99 image here and also any others on the Photoshelter site, all of which have verifiable dates. We have categorical visual evidence for the dish orientation being NE from 1999.

NE side of the structure Hit one of the "rotate" buttons 2 times to see the NE side.

Image of NE side of structure from 1999

Whether the tower has moved around or not over the years I don’t know.
It definitely has not sat in a NW orientation for 43 years.
The base was not decommissioned in 1966.

So we have 2 glaring inaccuracies within the article, how much else is made up?

My guess now would also be some sort of attempt to drum up tourism.

edit - added text to 1st link

[edit on 12-5-2009 by Beegs]

I don't know... if you trust Google Earth, and the dates posted on the historical time imagery slider... the "dish" has been pointing N.E. since at least April 7, 1994...basically doesn't seemed to have moved...in more than 15 years...

This pretty much explains why it has moved occasionally:

Taken from:Wikipedia

Considering its size, removing the huge antenna was problematic at best so it was "abandoned in place", with its controlling motors and electronics removed, allowing it to move with the wind to prevent it being torn off its base in a storm. A GATR (Ground Air Transmitter Receiver) facility remained in service to direct military aircraft operating within the region. This system was deactivated and removed in 1984. Riverhead now controls all air traffic in the area.

And it has been very stormy on Long Island for the past 2 weeks.

reply to post by Electro38


Trust me this place doesn't need to drive traffic. Plus it has not hit the major Long Island papers yet just the hamptons papers. And people who live out here don't need to rent because they own.

This topic is fascinating. Im not sure i can buy the dish actually moving by being controlled and i find myself edging towards the dish being moved by the wind, but im not too sure.
As for the underground base business, this video i found is interesting, especially the manhole with the ladder going down but 'coincidently' filled with water, and the bunkers.

www.youtube.com...

My appologies if this video has been posted here before.

Originally posted by glimmerman
I don't know... if you trust Google Earth, and the dates posted on the historical time imagery slider... the "dish" has been pointing N.E. since at least April 7, 1994...basically doesn't seemed to have moved...in more than 15 years...

I can only reiterate... Photographic "proof" shows the "dish" has not moved in more than 15 years.... At the very least... IMO case closed.

One has to wonder why such an expensive place has not been sold off, and that they still have guards all around there.

Why doesn't the government sell it to real estate.

reply to post by glimmerman


Your claims were proven false on the first page.

On the first page you will find photographic evidence that the dish has moved.

Please take advantage of the research that your fellow members have already done before making false claims.

reply to post by Exuberant1


Actually you might want to take a bit of your own advice. The only "proof" here is evidence pointing to the dish probably not having moved. There is nothing whatsoever to the contrary. The image you posted has no verifiable date to it at all, perhaps you could let us know where you obtained it from?

I personally work with Air Traffic Control radar. Trust me when I say a dish of this size can and will move with the wind. We call it "free-wheeling" or as you call in weather vaning. Depending on the severity of the winds (normally 52knots sustained) antennas are put into a free-wheel configuration where basically the motor is turned off and the antenna rotates freely with the wind. This prevents damage to both the antenna drive motor and the mesh backstructure.

The 52knots criteria is based on the capabilities and limitations for the AN/GPN-20 or ASR-8 as know by the FAA.

It's not aliens, magnetic anomalies or anything else conspiratory. My guess is the prevailing winds keep it in the same position most of the time. A gust of wind must have come from a different azimuth causing the antenna to move. It is only a matter of time before the prevailing winds put it back to the position the locals have become accustomed to.

Conspiracy closed.

Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by glimmerman

 

Your claims were proven false on the first page.

On the first page you will find photographic evidence that the dish has moved.

Please take advantage of the research that your fellow members have already done before making false claims.

But can you explain: GE and LSM have both updated their sat images within a few days time??? Both sat images show it pointing NE - yet the witness claims it was pointing NW on May 5th or so.

So according to you, on May 5th, the sat images would have shown the dish to be pointing NW, than after May 6th, GE & LSM uploaded current sat images showing the dish had moved to NE?

I really to not believe GE or LSM have very updated images.

I see absolutely no evidence that the dish moved and this witness is accurate.

This is such a classic example of why we can not just solely believe witness testimony. It is the cold hard physical proof that must be relied on.

[edit on 5/12/2009 by greeneyedleo]

Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by glimmerman

 

Your claims were proven false on the first page.

On the first page you will find photographic evidence that the dish has moved.

Please take advantage of the research that your fellow members have already done before making false claims.

5 satellite images, over 15 years... no movement... this is not a false claim, this is what it is... sorry if I rained on your parade...geesh!

Perhaps this should be looked at another way. If the radar installation was indeed "abandoned in place" then, one must ask the question why? Based on a publically available Air Force document regarding 'Disposal of Real Property', there doesn't seem to be any obvious (to me) reason by which the AF would abandon in place this installation. So, then why would they keep it intact?

www.af.mil...

2.12. Abandoning In-Place Facilities on Nonexcess Land. Normally, buildings and above-ground
structures are not abandoned "in place." However, facilities such as underground utility lines, fuel tanks,
roads, sidewalks, and vehicle parking areas, can be abandoned in place under these conditions:
• The facility will be rendered unusable by new construction.
• Cost of removal would exceed the salvage value.
• The facility has deteriorated and cannot be repaired or rehabilitated.
• It does not pose or create a hazard to health or safety and cannot be removed at reasonable
expense.
• It is located under or in such close proximity to existing structures that damage to the structure
could occur.

reply to post by Shadoefax


Your right! You can also use the historical data and go back to April 7th 1994 and all through the images the dish is pointed NE.

It appears the witnesses are mistaken....unless this dish only moved NE for the photos in Google.

reply to post by nonnez


Can no one get the vids that preston nichols took, and tell from them which way the dish was pointing in the 80's.

I think the dish today is irrelevent, as they will be using satelittes and such things,a nd do not need it anymore for the stuff we have heard.



[edit on 5/12/2009 by andy1033]

OMG! I am sorry but I am seriously LMAO now... Time for me to move on to more pressing matters... and engage in threads where people read the all posts before responding...

Does anyone know what the dish was originally used for?

And isn't this the same base that William One Sac visited and documented??

I am going to stick to my original assessment. The antenna is facing NE. The two closest airports (Montauk Airport and Long Island Mac Arthur) both have their runways oriented from SW to NE. This proves the predominant winds for this area are from the SW and/or the NE. Planes have to take off and land into the wind which explains the orientation of the runway.

On Monday, East Hampton Town Supervisor Bill McGintee ................. he told a press conference Monday afternoon.

IF there are any ` legs ` to this story - why can i not google a single BONA FIDA co oberating source ????????

surely some news org or civic group woul;d have commented - or attended the press conference and filed copy ???????????????