Zadari: Osama was an “Operator” for the United States

reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic


Lets see, the CIA says it aint true, the ISI says it aint true, Osama says it aint true, everyone who worked with Osama says it aint true...everybody actually involved with the subject says it aint true......yet you still think it is.....

[edit on 11-5-2009 by Swampfox46_1999]

reply to post by twitchy


I can see you didnt bother to read the whole post or do any checking about them either.

reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic


And we are back to square one. You have absolutely no evidence of any kind that would support your belief that does not start with a disgraced former FBI agent and a mentally impaired drug addict criminal.....

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
......of course that was about the time I was selling the Great Wall of China to Nigeria..

How much did you clear on the Nigerian deal?

reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic


Don't pay any attention to Swampfox46_1999. Apparently he is damage control point man for the CIA; quickly doing repair work to their sordid image here at ATS. Notice how Swampfox quickly jumps in on any negative posts concerning the CIA. What a guy.

posted by Gyrochiral

Bush Sr, in my opinion, is the most dangerous man alive and ironically, not on anyone's "hit list".

Almost every US political assassination or attempt in the last half of the 20th Century was compliments of the Bush Crime Family/CIA partnership. I would not attribute the assassinations to the right wing or Republican Party or Christian Right. Both the Democrat and Republican parties (what I call the one-party DemoPublicans) have capitalized off the assassinations. But the Bush Crime Family has gained the most; working for the multi-billionaire Corporate Elite New World Order. And of course the NeoCONs have been partnering with the Bush Crime Family.

Don't forget that George Herbert Walker Bush (of the WW2 traitorous Bush/Walker Clan) was CIA Directer from Jan 1976 to Jan 1977 and the American people could not possibly have had a worse person in that position. In one of his rare truthful moments in December 1992, Bush Sr stated to journalist Sarah McClendon that "Sarah, if the people had ever known the truth about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." Indeed we should lynch them; the whole criminal family. Apparently treason is a genetic defect.

In the 1960s and '70s many politicians realized that George HW Bush was a most dangerous man to allow into the Congress or to head any of the intelligence agencies. It is likely that Bush was behind the assassination of Athens Greece CIA chief Richard Welch in 1975, setting the stage for the Bush takeover of the CIA. Bush in only one year turned the CIA into a drug-running and assassination and political organization. The CIA illegally inserted itself into the Bush presidential run in 1988.

And Usama bin Laden (Tim Osman) was a CIA asset regardless the disinformation tactics of Swampfox. Both the CIA and Osama were embarrassed over that fact.

But underneath his usual network-tending habits, Bush was now engulfed by a profound rage. He had fought to get elected to the Senate twice, in 1964 and 1970, and failed both times. He had tried for the vice presidency in 1968, in 1972, had been passed over by Nixon in late 1973 when Ford was chosen, in 1974, and was now out of the running in 1976. This was simply intolerable for a senatorial patrician, and that was indeed Bush's concept of his own "birthright."

Bush gave the lie to Aristotle's theory of the humors: neither blood nor phlegm nor black nor even the yellow bile of rage moved him, but hyperthyroid transports of a manic rage that went beyond the merely bilious. George Bush had already had enough of the Stennis Committee, enough of the Church Committee, enough of the Pike Committee. Years later, on the campaign trail in 1988, he vomited out his rage against his tormentors of 1975. Bush said that he had gone to the CIA "at a very difficult time. I went in there when it had been demoralized by the attacks of a bunch of little untutored squirts from Capitol Hill, going out there, looking at these confidential documents without one simple iota of concern for the legitimate national security interests of this country. And I stood up for the CIA then, and I stand up for it now. And defend it. So let the liberals wring their hands and consider it a liability. I consider it a strength."

But in 1975 there was no doubt that George Bush was in a towering rage. As Christmas approached, no visions of sugarplums danced in Bush's head. He dreamed of a single triumphant stroke that would send Church and all the rest of his tormentors reeling in dismay, and give the new CIA Director a dignified and perhaps triumphant inauguration.

Then, two days before Christmas, the CIA chief in Athens, Richard Welch was gunned down in front of his home by masked assassins as he returned home with his wife from a Christmas party. A group calling itself the "November 19 Organization" later claimed credit for the killing.

Certain networks immediately began to use the Welch assassination as a bludgeon against the Church and Pike committees. An example came from columnist Charles Bartlett writing in the old Washington Star: "The assassination of the CIA Station Chief, Richard Welch, in Athens is a direct consequence of the staged hearings of the Church Committee. Spies traditionally function in a gray world of immunity from such crudities. But the Committee's prolonged focus on CIA activities in Greece left agents there exposed to random vengeance." [fn 20] Staffers of the Church committee pointed out that the Church committee had never said a word about Greece or mentioned the name of Welch.

CIA Director Colby first blamed the death of Welch on Counterspy magazine, which had published the name of Welch some months before. The next day Colby backed off, blaming a more general climate of hysteria regarding the CIA which had led to the assassination of Welch. In his book, Honorable Men, published some years later, Colby continued to attribute the killing to the "sensational and hysterical way the CIA investigations had been handled and trumpeted around the world."

www.the7thfire.com...

Did the Bushes help to kill JFK?

If nothing else, these pages will show the reader the following:

- Although he does not recall when asked, George (Herbert Walker) Bush was in Dallas the day JFK was assassinated.

- Bush lies about the fact that he was a high-ranking CIA official at the time of JFK's death.

- Bush allowed the escape of a convicted terrorist from prison to go to work for him as an undercover CIA asset in Iran-Contra.

- Bush has released another convicted terrorist.

- Both these terrorists were present on Dealey Plaza on 11/22/1963.

- Both these terrorists were convicted for killing 73 people by blowing up an airliner.

- Bush is personal friends with a close associate of these convicted terrorists, who was also a participant in Iran Contra.

- Bush has taken a leading role as CIA official in structuring/organizing these terrorists in effective organizations.

Shall we say: "Only in America, the land of unlimited opportunities"?

www.jfkmurdersolved.com...

1980-1989: CIA and British Train Mujaheddin in Afghanistan and Help Arm Bin Laden.
Fearing a diplomatic incident, CIA and other US agents rarely venture into Afghanistan. Generally speaking, soldiers from the British elite Special Air Service (SAS) work with and train the mujaheddin instead. The SAS provides weapons training in Afghanistan until 1982 when Russian soldiers find the passports of two British instructors in a training camp. After that, mujaheddin are trained in secret camps in remote parts of Scotland. When the US decides to supply Stinger missiles to the mujaheddin in 1986, it is the SAS who provide the training in how to use them (see September 1986). But the SAS is taking orders from the CIA. The CIA also indirectly gives weapons to Osama bin Laden and other mujaheddin leaders. One former US intelligence official will say in 1999, “[US agents] armed [bin Laden’s] men by letting him pay rock-bottom prices for basic weapons.” But this person notes the relationship will later prove to be embarrassing to bin Laden and the CIA. “Of course it’s not something they want to talk about.”

Early 1983-Late 1984: Afghan Arab Purchases Equipment for Mujaheddin in US and Britain After being recruited by Abdullah Azzam, an Arab Afghan leader and Osama bin Laden’s mentor, Essam al Ridi travels to Pakistan to join the mujaheddin fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan. He works for the mujaheddin for about 18 months, mostly as a purchaser of equipment abroad. He buys two sets of scuba diving equipment and six range finders in Britain, as well as night vision goggles and six night vision scopes from the US. He also purchases video equipment and batteries, and acquires equipment in Japan, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia. Al Ridi will later say, as a witness in a US trial, that he travels “extensively almost every 15 days to 20 days” and that he has so many stamps his passport is nearly full by 1985. Al Ridi leaves Asia to return to the US in late 1984 or early 1985, apparently due to an argument about Osama bin Laden’s role in the jihad, but he will continue to send equipment to the mujaheddin. For example, he will later purchase assassination rifles for the jihad, apparently with the CIA’s knowledge, but it is unclear whether the CIA knows about these earlier transactions.

1984: Bin Laden and Other Mujaheddin Leaders Meet Mysterious Europeans in Pakistan Osama bin Laden, his mentor Abdullah Azzam, and Afghan warlord Abdul Rasul Sayyaf meet two unnamed men in Peshawar, Pakistan. The two men are “supposed to be from somewhere in Europe” and cannot speak Arabic. As a result, Essam al Ridi, an Egyptian who has lived in the US, attends the meeting as a translator. Al Ridi will later say that the two men speak English “with an accent” and that he was invited to the meeting to translate between the men on the one hand and Sayyaf and Azzam on the other, indicating that bin Laden did not need a translator and could speak English. This is the first of several meetings between bin Laden and al Ridi, who purchases equipment for anti-Soviet fighters.

www.historycommons.org...

[edit on 5/11/09 by SPreston]

reply to post by JanusFIN


If you have ever read taken the time to do research as well as buy a few books, you can find all of the relevant information on this topic as you would like.

This book alone supplies all of the relevant information about Osama bin Laden working for our Government you could ever want :

Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and Bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001

The book even has his old satellite phone number in it.

It was for deniability in a covert war with Russia that Osama bin Laden was employed, trained, and set loose to throw the Russian's out of Afghanistan, called Operation Cyclone.

Meaning, he was off the books, but still doing the dirty deeds.

There was even a movie made about the whole thing, with Osama bin Laden carefully left out.

Charlie Wilson's War was an excellent movie, all full of facts and non-facts.

Charles Wilson was a Texas politician who happened to sit on all the right Committee's within Washington D.C. to get the covert funding for a covert war.


[edit on 11-5-2009 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
disgraced former FBI agent and a mentally impaired drug addict criminal.....

Wow it really is that easy isn't it? Discredit the source and that somehow negates the information. Unfortunately for TPTB, people aren't that naive anymore, especially here. 'Mentally impaired drug addict criminal'? Come up with just a few more derrogatory adjectives and you might convince somebody.
Michael Riconoscuito was apparently one of the folks who gave a prior warning of an impending attack on 9-11, a copy of his correspsondance with his attorney to that effect is posted on line here. Of course he is being discredited, along with Sibel Edmonds and a holy host of other agents and whatnots that gave similar warnings. At least he didn't end up like poor old John O'Neil or Robin Cook.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic

 

And we are back to square one. You have absolutely no evidence of any kind that would support your belief that does not start with a disgraced former FBI agent and a mentally impaired drug addict criminal.....

www.rense.com...
www.guardian.co.uk...
www.indiadaily.com...
Yes, you are correct, there is nothing connecting the CIA to Bin Laden.....RIIIIIIGHT......


I come back to this: Name one, just one, CIA agent who has succesfully cut-away and gone on to fight against the U.S.

Just one. I'll wait.

Multimillionaire Saudi and mujahideen fighter Usama Bin Laden and New World Order front man Zbigniew Brzezinski in Pakistan in 1981.

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This was all set up by CIA Director George Herbert Walker Bush from 1976-1977.

"Sarah, if the people had ever known the truth about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched."
~ George H W Bush p1989-1993

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."
~Thomas Jefferson p1801-1809

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
~James Madison p1809-1817

reply to post by ipsedixit


About 5 million....I told the guy that I just couldnt take the 15 mil left after my unknown cousin was killed in Nigeria...that I had to give him something of worth....

reply to post by SPreston


Good grief, how many times do I have to tell you, I work for the Department of the Air Force. My uncle worked for the CIA.

I truly do wonder how some people manage to lift their heads from the pillow in the morning with all the tin foil they are wearing...

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by SPreston

 

Good grief, how many times do I have to tell you, I work for the Department of the Air Force. My uncle worked for the CIA.

I truly do wonder how some people manage to lift their heads from the pillow in the morning with all the tin foil they are wearing...

Wow. Just wow. Dont bother to actually touch on the material or anything...attacking sources and/or people is much more effective, huh....

reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic


And for evidence you use three sites that reference the same story placed by French intelligence in Le Figaro. The same French intelligence and same French newspaper that was caught red handed "cooking the books" in regards to France, Saddam Hussien and the connections they shared? Not to mention the original Le Figaro article was long ago discredited.......

reply to post by twitchy


Pointing out the man's record is "discrediting" him? The man has multiple drug convictions on his record and psych evals that say he is nuts. Those are called facts. Better yet, read some of the stories about him.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic

 

And for evidence you use three sites that reference the same story placed by French intelligence in Le Figaro. The same French intelligence and same French newspaper that was caught red handed "cooking the books" in regards to France, Saddam Hussien and the connections they shared? Not to mention the original Le Figaro article was long ago discredited.......

Again, you disregard the material and attack the source. You are very well trained at this I see.

Being as ingrained in this as you admit to being, your mind is not going to be changed.

Try looking at things from more than one side, though. It'll serve you well.

reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic


I don't know "Swampfox46_1999", but his or her post's are not showing up.

Only the quotes of people who post afterwards. Is this a glitch?

reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic


Im sorry, the man spends his first paragraph slandering me. I respond, once again, with the truth and that is wrong?

As for the rest of his post I long ago gave him the information and places to check it out to find out he was wrong, but he chooses to keep repeating the same false information.

reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic


The material you list, has already been addressed. The story in Le Figaro about the American Hospital was long ago discredited by the media. You choose to continue using it, why is that?

Cool down guys!

Personal attacks just poisoning threads - Use U2U for personal messages!

Thanks

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic

 

Im sorry, the man spends his first paragraph slandering me. I respond, once again, with the truth and that is wrong?

As for the rest of his post I long ago gave him the information and places to check it out to find out he was wrong, but he chooses to keep repeating the same false information.

I'm not talking about the poster, I am talking about the actual accounts of Osama at the CIA hospital in dubai...yet the only thing you will comment on is the source I used.

Bottom line, there are as many, if not more, sources that claim the opposite of what your sources claim...explain to me why yours are the only ones that are correct....