144,000 to be 'Taken' soon? July 11th 09?

I'm not a bible thumping literalist. I'm gnostic.
I do however, find deep interest in encrypted meaning I find in reading between the lines of religious scripture..

But that aside, this post is about some vague yet literal material that I was just thinking about... just putting it out there for others to chew on.

if the chosen, the faithful .. those who have god's name in them..
are to be taken away for 3.5 years (a time, times, and a half a time)..and then return to kick a$$. read Revelations

and in keeping in mind the massive impact of the events of 2012, as some sort of 'endpoint' .. mentioned in the I-Ching, the Mayan Calendar, and the Isaiah Scroll from the Dead Sea Scrolls, ...a time at which all the "excitement" goes down..

Then if the 144,000 are to be taken and return.. before Dec 21st 2012..

then they'll have to have been taken BY...

July 11, 2009... roughly 2 months from now.

What's going on on July 11th 09?
Oh nothing.

Just the launch of the predecessor to the Orion Spacecraft, replacement to the Shuttle Program, the Ares I-X spacecraft, to test the ability of the launching system for the Orion, aiming for transport of man to the moon (again?// ahem//).. by 2012.
remember now that the "pregnant woman" who is to produce the 144,000 is shown standing on the moon. wink wink. Is this where the 144,000 go during their 3.5 yr holiday away from Earth?
one of these days...Pow! Right to the MOON!
She's also shown with 12 stars on her head. 12 stars of the European Union.. relating to the European Union Space Agency?
there are 11 stars on the Ares logo, and 13 on the Orion logo.
Is there an in-betweener??

if they're to be 'taken' ON Dec 21st, 2012...
then they're to return on ...
June 4, 2016

What's planned for 2016?
ooooh nuthin' just the "Juno" Orbiter to arrive at Jupiter... after its 2011 launch. In 2016, the spacecraft will perform an orbit insertion burn to slow the spacecraft enough to allow capture into an 11-day polar orbit.
Juno was the daughter of Saturn and the wife and sister of Jupiter: the protector of women.

ok that's grasping at non-existent straws heh.. but just putting it out there for amateur internet researchers if anything else that corroborates anything with Juno in the future comes up.

so.. will Dec 21st, 2012 play a pivotal role with the 'return' or 'leave' of the 144,000 of the Twelve Tribes of Israel? Those whom evolve into bodies holding the 12 strand DNA 'name' of the Elohim?

In this thread, we'll take the 'given' that the 144,000 actually exist and are going to be taken from Earth for 3.5 years. I'm not a 'believer' or a 'non-believer'... This isn't a 'prediction'...I'm just putting it out there hypothetically ...
..so just suspend your disbelief and go along with it for this discussion, thanks.

if the solstice 2012 enigma has anything to do with the 144,000 and 'end times' / 'rebirth times' then they've got to leave by July 11th 09 to fit the infamous 1260 days / 3.5 yr Holy 'schedule'.

Will a ship come to take them?
Will it be human black ops ship made with our efforts alone? Or a joint ET (Elohim) / Earth Human effort?
Or a solely ET effort?

Will a disguised 'test mission' of the Ares (god of war) bring them away?

how's it going to work?

July 11th baybay! 2 months away!

SEVEN ELEVEN OH NINER. 7/11/09

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[edit on 8-5-2009 by prevenge]

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Sorry, you missed a zero. It's 144,000. They'll need a bigger ship to transport the chosen to the Moon.

Revelation 7:4-- And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

In keeping with all the other predictions that have come and gone, I'm betting that nothing unusual at all will occur on 7/11/09.

Originally posted by Lookingup
Sorry, you missed a zero. It's 144,000. They'll need a bigger ship to transport the chosen to the Moon.

Revelation 7:4-- And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

In keeping with all the other predictions that have come and gone, I'm betting that nothing unusual at all will occur on 7/11/09.

oh damn yeah you're right. dur.. I'll change that..

but hey.. i stated that this wasn't a prediction. I asked that you would play along. guess you don't want to play in my sandbox here.

so ... no 144000 and 2012 parallels whatsoever for you.

next?

If you are talking about the so-called rapture .. there is no such thing.
It's completely unscriptural.
The rapture cult was invented by Nelson Darby in the mid 1800s.
It's soul-candy ... feel-good non-scriptural cult material.

It would seem that there are a few of us who are coming up with dates around that time.
My July post

What I find strange is that I am not what you would call religious either.

Could it be that we have a different belief system from main stream religions yet at the same time have a similar belief in reguards to life death and the soul or spirit?

Originally posted by FlyersFan
If you are talking about the so-called rapture .. there is no such thing.
It's completely unscriptural.
The rapture cult was invented by Nelson Darby in the mid 1800s.
It's soul-candy ... feel-good non-scriptural cult material.

no i'm not talking about that at all.

I'm talking about the Book of Revelations where the 144,000 "chosen people" come out of the "Pregnant Woman" (USA?) are taken away from Earth then Return Following the "Lamb" and take over the world.

so no.. this isn't about the resurrection that you're talking about.
oh screw it.

I'm not Christian i just like to cross reference scripture from all religions with open minded people in hypothetical situations.
from a researcher's point of view.

so no.. I'm not talking about what you're talking about.

nasb.scripturetext.com...

link - nasb.scripturetext.com...

The Lamb and the 144,000 on Mount Zion

1 Then I looked, and behold, the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder, and the voice which I heard was like the sound of harpists playing on their harps. 3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders; and no one could learn the song except the one hundred and forty-four thousand who had been purchased from the earth. 4 These are the ones who have not been defiled with women, for they have kept themselves chaste. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These have been purchased from among men as first fruits to God and to the Lamb. 5 And no lie was found in their mouth; they are blameless.

nasb.scripturetext.com...




and man it's just odd that the new commercial spacecraft is called "The SpaceX Dragon".... using the "Draco" rocket.
en.wikipedia.org...

in reference to the next passage of Revelations...

The Angel, Michael

7 And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war, 8 and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. 10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying,
“Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night. 11 “And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even when faced with death. 12 “For this reason, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them. Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, knowing that he has only a short time.”
13 And when the dragon saw that he was thrown down to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child. 14 But the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she could fly into the wilderness to her place, where she was nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. 15 And the serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, so that he might cause her to be swept away with the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and drank up the river which the dragon poured out of his mouth. 17 So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

NOTE
I don't perceive christian scripture to come true magically. .. by a 'god' outside of us... I suspect that the events are being played out in accordance to scripture like a playbook... by the main actors of history.
The term "the lord" and "god" that had replaced the word "Elohim" in the bible after censorship and revision.. and I suspect that the Elohim are working with governmental areas to pull this all off... as the necessary steps that need to occur in order for humanity to physiologically and spiritually evolve.. but that's another discussion.

in any case it's fun to observe similarities.
But I'm not one to think that "God" is doing anything or "Satan" is doing anything as specific individual entities outside of us..
I perceive them as mythological symbolic references to aspects of mankind, and mankinds potential.
whereas the Elohim are a sort of "management team" .. babysitting us. parenting us. punishing and rewarding us etc...


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[edit on 8-5-2009 by prevenge]

I just starred and flagged this for its imagination and unusual interpretation in theoretical kind of way, just casting a net out. The scripture about the moon surprised me. I wonder how many abductees have been to that base. Its not necessarily future things, you see.

Another way of looking at the departure is, 144,000 taken to ensure the continuation of the human race, and hopefully upgraded, to return 3 1/2 years later to help with the survivors of the catastrophe, which means it could happen closer to or around 2012. They don't have to be here for the event.

I remember that thread about the zetas departure not that long ago. And smokingman's thread about a possible taking of the most idealistic as a safeguard in case of a disaster that earth may not recover from.

But the number also supposedly adds up to 9, which someone said was the number of contact. So it may not mean departure at all.

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reply to post by prevenge


I very much like this and again, am not religious at all, believe its all a load of... enuf said, i just wanted to point out the pregnant woman rather then the USA do you not think it could possibly be Russia (Motherland)?
just throwing it out there

the 144,000 may be frozen embryos, takes up little space and would ensure the survival of the species.

Nowhere does it say that the 144,000 are taken anywhere ...they are only sealed with the Holy Spirit and then they preach the gospel during the trib ......
They are 12,000 from each tribe (so I believe these are literal Jewish peoples)

Fun thread. My 2 cents...

What's planned for 2016?
ooooh nuthin' just the "Juno" Orbiter to arrive at Jupiter... after its 2011 launch. In 2016, the spacecraft will perform an orbit insertion burn to slow the spacecraft enough to allow capture into an 11-day polar orbit.
Juno was the daughter of Saturn and the wife and sister of Jupiter: the protector of women.

That won't fit within the timeline. That's a four year one-way trip and, if the 144,000 are to be gone for 3.5 yrs, then the furthest they can go and be back in time is 1.75 yrs (or 21 months).

Thing you have to ask, Dec 21 2012, ok the Solstice is not Christian, its Pagan used by the Christian faith in some respects.

So who is it that is to be taken? Christians or Pagans, who as it turns out worship the Moon Goddess, or Luna Goddess, being of a Pagan belief myself do I need to start packing?

I haven't saved or nothing, and have Holiday plans for the end of July, always something gets in the way terrible.

Excellent post and thought by the way, S&F

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Originally posted by Simplynoone
Nowhere does it say that the 144,000 are taken anywhere ...they are only sealed with the Holy Spirit and then they preach the gospel during the trib ......
They are 12,000 from each tribe (so I believe these are literal Jewish peoples)

4 I heard another voice from heaven, saying, “Come out of her, my people, so that you will not participate in her sins and receive of her plagues;

link - nasb.scripturetext.com...


I percieve Isaiah talking about the 144000 or anyone with "god's name" within them.. (12 tribe dna changing to human/elohim dna...unlocked by a pure demeanor)..

6 “Therefore My people shall know My name;(holy DNA ) therefore in that day I am the one who is speaking, ‘Here I am.’”
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9 Break forth, shout joyfully together,
You waste places of Jerusalem;
For the LORD has comforted His people,
He has redeemed Jerusalem.

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( I'm percieving "Jerusalem" as descriptive of the "city" of new nerves and biology that the new immortal holy bodies are imaged like.. not a literal "city" but a "body" to inhabit.. as the "throne" is the pineal gland excreting '___' and "the seven lamps" are the seven chakras from Buddhism and Hindu.
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10 The LORD has bared His holy arm
In the sight of all the nations,
That all the ends of the earth may see
The salvation of our God.
11 Depart, depart, go out from there,
Touch nothing unclean;
Go out of the midst of her, purify yourselves,
You who carry the vessels of the LORD.

(bodies that are holy - ultra evolved bodies that have been transformed from human bodies).. junk DNA unlocked.. through proper behavior and mindset..

12 But you will not go out in haste,
Nor will you go as fugitives;
For the LORD will go before you,
And the God of Israel will be your rear guard.

link-nasb.scripturetext.com...

I know.. lil bit too much for the traditionalists out there..

it's ok.. there is the basic scripture which tell the information in an easy to understand way, so that even children can understand it..
then there's the ultra deep gnostic concepts and sexual- physiological-evolution reality behind it.
It's ingeniously constructed if you ask me.

Originally posted by marshy10156
reply to post by prevenge

 

I very much like this and again, am not religious at all, believe its all a load of... enuf said, i just wanted to point out the pregnant woman rather then the USA do you not think it could possibly be Russia (Motherland)?
just throwing it out there

about the USA being the pregnant woman.. you both should check this out...
www.youtube.com...
more or less the pregnant woman being symbolic of women (and some men but mostly women) in Babylon.. being symbolically pregnant with something... as a chrysalis is "pregnant" with a butterfly.. if you will..
the Twelve Tribes .. their Genetic Haplogroup .. was lost in the world.. from tribes/migrants ... migrating.. and that the USA was the grand experiment with the statue of liberty being the symbol of humanity's ultimate liberation from these bodies we inhabit.. the genetic "melting pot" that would produce the revived genetic strains that would bring back that lost haplogroup .
how the "pheonix" will be the evolution.. and that the phoenix rises from it's nest by the power of WORMS...

morgellons anybody??? eh?? "worms" .."serpents" in the skin? eh?
(speculation)
morgellons sufferers report kundalin awakening symptoms.
kundalini awakening is synonymous with the holy spirit entering one.. "tongues of flame above your head .. crown chakra.. crown of thorns.. etc.."
they're the ones with the DNA from the 144,000 haplogroups.
the chiamanti stone has been "sprinkled" on them from above... in the form of fiery serpents. or "worms" ( filaments shaped as such.)

christ and other saints enter a tomb.. to immolate.. just as spontaneous combustion.. in the midst of the metamorphosis to full evolutionary immortal potential...

like a phoenix.
(/speculation)

you should really watch the whole film.. from the first part on..about the Chiamanti Stone ... and how it's prized to bring this liberation.. immortality etc...

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Simplynoone

This isn't about a traditional religious interpretation of scriptures. This is a look at what people who are interested in studying it from a different perspective, one many believes to be the correct perspective. The anunnaki, and a different history altogether, are seen by many in the scriptures which can be seen comparatively to various religions and ancient writings, from Egypt to Sumeria, perhaps as code or hidden knowledge mixed in with a controlling religion for the masses.

Thats how I see it. The Judaic religions, including the Muslim and Christian versions, are amongst the most warring and barbaric, by my standards, on the planet. Their differences seem to hold this world in a very violent grip.

Though there is a bloodline that one can research through the lost tribes of Israel, that can be compared to the Mervingian lines that not only affect the cabal, but also many experiencers find, once they start sharing and asking questions, that they also have these bloodlines. Many I've talked to seem to go to the House of Stuart. And I'm sure there are many many other routes.
This appears to be a kind of dna testube for hybrids and such, along with whatever upgrades they may introduce.



prevenge: Another interpretation could be along the way the Miriam Delicado, smokingman, and several other experiencers talk, including my own feelings that have come, that there is a point when the experiencers will be brought together to give their testimony to the world. Whatever that means! I have no idea, but it seems to me that a gathering of experiencers is going to happen.

The scripture about the moon was relevant and gave me goosebumps as that is the base I remember after siting the grey. And there are others who talk about the moon. There was a group of children there in my memory.
So, very interesting to start examining it out of the box so to speak. But hopefully things are different than this.

The 144000 come up in a lot of religous doctrine.The basic idea is that this number is the magic number to sustain humanity when the rest have been judged.144000 will not be judged as the rest of us will.Sopme of us will survive judgement but most wont,the main point being that 144000 will be spared judgement.

So we basically have 144000 people completely protected whilst the rest of us have our "goodness"tested probably with water and fire and all those sweet biblical flavours.

In the bible the descriptions of the 144000 and the requirements to become one of them are described.

If anyone cares to read a copy of the bible that outlines these things and compares them to attributes that abductees have they might be surprised.

I was taken to the moon during my experiences and I believe that there is a refuge there that our government has been aware of for a long time.

I also believe that the government has been building at a furious pace for over 50 years its own shelters on the moon.The ones I talk about are pre-existing.

I think there is a possibility that a group of people numbering 144000 will be "taken"or saved in the name of humanity if you will.

Will they be forced to go?Somehow I doubt they will be kidnapped or forced to do anything they dont choose to do of their own free will.

But a serious question I have always had has revolved around the question of family ties or children or rather a lack of these things putting the"144000"or the abductees in a position whereby it would be easier to choose or more desirable to choose to go to refuge willingly.

Has anyone ever done a survey to see how many abductees DONT HAVE CHILDREN,and a seperate survey possibly for males and females?

Originally posted by Lookingup

Revelation 7:4-- And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Bugger! And I was hoping for some pork chops on the in-flight menu!

Originally posted by FlyersFan
If you are talking about the so-called rapture .. there is no such thing.
It's completely unscriptural.
The rapture cult was invented by Nelson Darby in the mid 1800s.
It's soul-candy ... feel-good non-scriptural cult material.

as if the entire bible wasn't "invented" by various Nelson Darbys from a few thousand years ago...

It sounds like the Blossom Goodchild starship prediction all over again

!44,000 has some interesting properties in relation to the number of the beast. When divided by 666 it yeilds 216.2162162,...,.. When divided by 6 cubed or 216( also considered by some to be the mark of the beast) it yeilds 666.6666667.. Somewhat pertinent when divived 40 the yeild is 3,600. I am sure there are other properties about this 144,000 related to Middle Eastern and Hindu numerology. It may also have some significance in sacred geometry.

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