Jesus get's props from the Whitehouse! Amen?

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how about the Supreme Court Chief justice? John Jay ? Great men!!!!1 We owe alot to....

He siad....


"By conveying the Bible to people thus circumstanced, we certainly do them a most interesting kindness. We thereby enable them to learn that man was originally created and placed in a state of happiness, but, becoming disobedient, was subjected to the degradation and evils which he and his posterity have since experienced.

The Bible will also inform them that our gracious Creator has provided for us a Redeemer, in whom all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; that this Redeemer has made atonement "for the sins of the whole world," and thereby reconciling the Divine justice with the Divine mercy has opened a way for our redemption and salvation; and that these inestimable benefits are of the free gift and grace of God, not of our deserving, nor in our power to deserve."
--In God We Trust—The Religious Beliefs and Ideas of the American Founding Fathers, p. 379.

"In forming and settling my belief relative to the doctrines of Christianity, I adopted no articles from creeds but such only as, on careful examination, I found to be confirmed by the Bible."
--American Statesman Series, p. 360.

Originally posted by Deaf Alien
reply to post by OldThinker

 

I do not want a CHRISTIAN NATION...ok?

I am very glad that you have said this.

So.... skeptics are not upset.

And yes, you are right, the fundies are very very upset. Who knows why? What do they want? A Christian nation? BINGO!

SWEET!!!!!!!


I think we agreed once!!!!!!


Where's Blubblub when we need him?

OT

DA, see here for more nonsense...when WE forget with OT is saying...

Steven Williams is a fifth grade teacher at Stevens Creek Elementary School in the Cupertino Union School District, in Cupertino, CA. Like most fifth grade teachers in America, he teaches his students history. The Declaration of Independence, "The Rights of the Colonists" by Samuel Adams and John Adam's diary are still considered to be historical documents ... right? The writings of William Penn, and various state constitutions would fall under "historical" too ... don't you think? Apparently, in principal Patricia Vidmar's world, that doesn't matter. According to a lawsuit filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California, Oakland Division, by Steven Williams, Ms. Vidmar reportedly ordered him to submit his lesson plans and supplemental handouts to her for advance approval and she didn't approve of the aforementioned documents, banning them from his classroom. "Why" you ask ... because they contain some references to God and religion!

link: christianmusic.about.com...

Originally posted by Gawdzilla
Question for OT: Why do you think he's talking about praying to Jesus? He could suggesting we pray to Mumbo Jumbo, or Emperor Palpatine?

G, it's not like you to ask a question....get a response...and disappear?
What's up with that? You busy....?


Here's some more from that supposed DEIST

Thomas Jefferson


SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE; DIPLOMAT; GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA; SECRETARY OF STATE; THIRD PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of man.

The practice of morality being necessary for the well being of society, He [God] has taken care to impress its precepts so indelibly on our hearts that they shall not be effaced by the subtleties of our brain. We all agree in the obligation of the moral principles of Jesus and nowhere will they be found delivered in greater purity than in His discourses.

I am a Christian in the only sense in which He wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to His doctrines in preference to all others.

I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ.


Sounds real CHRISTIAN to OT???

Thoughts?

Originally posted by blupblup
like the last one just to cause ill feeling and to create divisions.

naive one?

divisions are a fact of life......

Who are you aligned to? They have your back...?


OT doesn't think I created any division.....just asked a few questions....you were the one who worked extra hard to derail, cursing in post #2....oh well....I still have you back, becuase I'm not about discord....just presenting questions, let the reader decide, ok?

OT

Originally posted by wonderworld
Wow, all I have read on this thread is fighting. I dont get it?

I get it....

its called spiritual warfare...

there is a devil..

and he's a smart guy...

ot

Originally posted by moocowman
Are you implying this verse is not relevant ?

no did I say so???


Corse its relavant!!!!!


Just one of many on the subject....


Any scholar looks at THE WHOLE BODY of work....


Anything less is weak, dis-connected in reality....more of a distraction than anything....

Come on mooo!!!!

OT glad you joined....

reply to post by OldThinker


I mostly want to see if you're up to answering a question directly

If you really are interested in my understanding anything -

if you really are sincere -

I thought you might answer an honest question

how's about it?

:-)

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by OldThinker

 

I mostly want to see if you're up to answering a question directly

If you really are interested in my understanding anything -

if you really are sincere -

I thought you might answer an honest question

how's about it?

:-)

It is late here...where are you...been gone all evening?

OT

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis


I thought you might answer an honest question

how's about it?

:-)

have you reviewed my 40 or so threads????

I DO NOT avoid...


OT

btw, I think this is great...sometimes I dislike those that derail...you do not seems that type?

OT

reply to post by OldThinker


:-)

this is kinda fun OT

I feel like I may actually be communicating with someone from a place far, far away...

btw, I think this is great...sometimes I dislike those that derail...you do not seems that type?

no - Spira is not that type

but - she would appreciate very much an answer to her question - in as much as she's probably not going to read through all 40 of your earlier threads

at least - not tonight

it's a small, simple question - really

without excuse

what does this mean - to OT?

if you please

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OK, nice clarification....


Good evening madam S....


hope all is well...


yes....OT is not wasting his time on some obscure (sp?) website for nothing...


I would definitely like to converse with you...


OT

reply to post by OldThinker


lol

well - conversing would be interesting - no doubt

but - if you're just going to go all Magic Eight Ball on me - it will have to wait until tomorrow

it's not late - but it's getting late here - too late for me to keep begging for an answer to the one question

:-)

so - if and when you feel like it - maybe you would tell me - in your own words - what without excuse means to you

it will keep until tomorrow - I'm sure

Spira says goodnight to OT now

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yeah its late here...

listen to this....we'll talk tomorrow...

www.tonycampolo.org...

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PS: My answer is in the audio there.....

OT

Originally posted by Kailassa
That was just a traditional proclamation supporting National Prayer Day.
The President signs it every year on National Prayer Day.

So what?
Did Obama ever pretend to not be a Christian?

K, what do you think?


Is Obama following tradition?

Or is he sincere?

OT

Why do we care about what the presidents believe?

Why do we care about fundies getting upset over something?

Heck, I don't care if the president worship the Devil.

Oh wait.....

Originally posted by Mutiny2005
has anyone noticed with separation of duties that jesus and god are using the concept of having more than one person required to complete a task. in otherwords we are being doublecrossed.

The separation of duties pattern is applied to functions the performance of which requires power that can be abused. The pattern is:

1. Start with a function that is indispensable, but potentially subject to abuse.
2. Partition the function into separate steps, each necessary for the function to work or for the power that enables that function to be abused.
3. Assign each step to a different person or organization.

Three general categories of functions must be separated:

* authorization function
* recording function, e.g. preparing source documents or code or performance reports
* custody of asset whether directly or indirectly, e.g. receiving checks in mail or implementing source code or database changes.

lot of truth in your post...

You are well educated huh?

OT

Originally posted by Deaf Alien
Why do we care about what the presidents believe?

Why do we care about fundies getting upset over something?

Heck, I don't care if the president worship the Devil.

Oh wait.....

I dunno, great question...

Have you seen the history of the Jewish folks when their leader was connected to God?

As oposed to when their leader didn't?

DA, have you seen? www.tonycampolo.org...