Moon Rising - The truth about the moon revealed

Originally posted by alienesque
just watched...great images but some very odd statements..

space elevators...where are they supposed to be?...would we be able to see them if they were on earth?

If we had any space elevators on earth we would have no low earth orbital satellites with inclinations greater than or equal to the latitude of the elevators - any such satellite would inevitably collide with the elevator. Since we have polar LEO sats, there can't possibly be ANY space elevator on earth.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by alienesque

 

No, not "all observatory employees". But the people in charge...the ones who cash the government grant checks.

I was the manager at an observatory; I didn't cash any government grant checks, nor did I cover up anything, nor did I ever refuse to show the moon when it was up.

Further, there is a bias in science. Since observatory time slots are much sought after for "legitimate science", people who want to view anything must have a good reason and the credentials to support their need to use the equipment.

If you're talking about research observatories, then yes, duh. There are plenty of large telescopes not used for research though. The refusal of research observatories only proves they're too busy; to conclude otherwise is confirmation bias.

reply to post by ngchunter


Busy? Doing what?

If these observatories are publicly funded - the public should have full access to use these. Private funding - then maybe not.

I find it VERY strange observatories don't advocate the public use these magnificent telescopes not only to arise interest in the very subject they dedicate their lives to, but to also raise awareness the universe is infinite, and we are most certainly are not the center of it.

Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow
reply to post by ngchunter

 

Busy? Doing what?

Real research.

If these observatories are publicly funded - the public should have full access to use these. Private funding - then maybe not.

Wrong. The public has full access to the data after the researchers who proposed the research have published their initial findings. The public interest is not served by catering to conspiracy theorists who think there's something unusual about the moon. The public interest is served by using the multi-million dollar research scopes for research that has the best chance of producing useful results. If you want to view the moon, do it with scopes dedicated for public use. There are plenty of large scopes out there that do just that, I've worked at a couple of observatories that catered to public requests, some of which had research grade telescopes themselves.

[edit on 8-7-2009 by ngchunter]

Originally posted by ngchunter

Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow
reply to post by ngchunter

 

Busy? Doing what?

Real research.

If these observatories are publicly funded - the public should have full access to use these. Private funding - then maybe not.

Wrong. The public has full access to the data after the researchers who proposed the research have published their initial findings. The public interest is not served by catering to conspiracy theorists who think there's something unusual about the moon. The public interest is served by using the multi-million dollar research scopes for research that has the best chance of producing useful results. If you want to view the moon, do it with scopes dedicated for public use. There are plenty of large scopes out there that do just that, I've worked at a couple of observatories that catered to public requests, some of which had research grade telescopes themselves.

[edit on 8-7-2009 by ngchunter]

And it's this kind of thinking that stops the flow of evolution , and developing new ideas - what a silly elitist selfish attitude.

How hard is it to "observe" ? What a royal task. Pffft. It's a bloody telescope ffs. And if it is paid for with yours and my tax dollars - we have every right to go and look. By the way I think computers can do a far better job at "observing" than any human. I do have a scope, but I don't have the power they obviously do. What about people that can't afford a scope? Why isn't this encouraged at a school level. Actually, you have inspired me to go and ask the education department to make mandatory school excursions to these observatories we the public who pay for them own. So thanks for that.

Can I also remind you - YOU are on a conspiracy site - what does that make you? One of "them". silly.

[edit on 8-7-2009 by watchZEITGEISTnow]

Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow
And it's this kind of thinking that stops the flow of evolution , and developing new ideas - what a silly elitist selfish attitude.

You can develop and test new ideas without burdening multi-million dollar state of the art research telescopes with conspiracy theories. Having to point at whatever a layman wants to see would effectively halt all astronomical research progress. Public outreach is done at observatories dedicated for that purpose, you can get your request answered there. Tax dollars go to some of the research my institute does, but does that mean you should get to personally tell me what to study? No. It means a qualified expert determines if our plan of study is good enough or not to warrant time and funding.

How hard is it to "observe" ? What a royal task. Pffft. It's a bloody telescope ffs.

I took a college course dedicated to nothing but observational astronomy. To suggest it's easy to conduct such research and that you're as qualified as anyone else is downright ignorant.

And if it is paid for with yours and my tax dollars - we have every right to go and look.

Do you have the right to look at our taxpayer-paid research data before we publish our findings? No. You can look once the researcher who came up with the observation plan has had first dibs on publications resulting from the observations. It was their idea that got the funding, not yours.

By the way I think computers can do a far better job at "observing" than any human.

That's why we use CCD cameras to do the data recording, not a human...

I do have a scope, but I don't have the power they obviously do. What about people that can't afford a scope?

Please try to actually read what I write before replying. As I said, there are public observatories with very large and powerful research-grade telescopes that are dedicated to public outreach, meaning you can go and ask to see something there (and provided you can actually see it they'll show it). I was a manager at such an observatory.

Why isn't this encouraged at a school level. Actually, you have inspired me to go and ask the education department to make mandatory school excursions to these observatories we the public who pay for them own. So thanks for that.

The kids would be better served by going to a public observatory dedicated to public outreach.

Can I also remind you - YOU are on a conspiracy site - what does that make you? One of "them". silly.

So now you're going to suggest I'm one of the conspirators? Doesn't matter what kind of website this is, that's still an insanely paranoid and false claim (not to mention slanderous).

[edit on 9-7-2009 by ngchunter]

reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow


Greetings WZN,

Remember the 'space ladders' from Moon Rising?

Those are not space ladders - they look like BTOS systems; lasers transmitting power to satellites.

*BTOS = Beam Transmission Optical Systems

Edit; The beams are also invisible to the unaided eye/telescope, requiring particulates or technological assistance to be seen. The images used in Moon Rising were captured using advanced imaging technology.





[edit on 10-7-2009 by Exuberant1]

Awful video. It just kept panning back and forth over the same areas time and time again showing what could be anything. With colour that he added himself?

Even the music was more dramatic than content of the video.

I'm so glad I didn't buy that.

Just watched it myself. Was a bit disappointed as there wasn't really that much new content. There are better images and analysis on ATS.

Regards
Steve

why don't we just get the materials and build our own powerful telescope? Tha way we can look ourselves and no one could tell us we can't.

Just pool enough people together to pay for it. Not too sure what those ones like the South Pole telescope cost, but a public version would be great.

Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow

 

Greetings WZN,

Remember the 'space ladders' from Moon Rising?

Those are not space ladders - they look like BTOS systems; lasers transmitting power to satellites.

*BTOS = Beam Transmission Optical Systems

Edit; The beams are also invisible to the unaided eye/telescope, requiring particulates or technological assistance to be seen. The images used in Moon Rising were captured using advanced imaging technology.

Hey E1,
Woah that sounds interesting. So technically - we should be able to trace where these beams originate on Terra then? What kind of filter would you need to spot one, and day or night would be the option to do so (or both)?

These beams act as direct power, or do the satellites pick up on the power from a Tesla type radio frequency? Isn't that what they were going to do with that 200 mile long tether that snapped off the shuttle that time?

And last but not least - so would we be able to 'tap into' that same energy source? You know it was Nikola Teslas birthday yesterday...and google celebrated this with their own logo dedication...hmmm

[edit on 10-7-2009 by watchZEITGEISTnow]

Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow

These beams act as direct power, or do the satellites pick up on the power from a Tesla type radio frequency?

This explains the BTOS concept:

BTOS is a portion of a larger project, SELENE, which is managed by NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center and utilizes a high energy, free electron laser to transfer energy from the ground to orbiting spacecraft or other customers such as lunar colonies.
-trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov...

"customers such as lunar colonies"...... hmmmm, isn't that intriguing.

And more about BTOS and SELENE:

The development of the Beam Transmission Optical System (BTOS) is a portion of a larger project entitled SpacE Laser Electric ENErgy (SE1.ENE). The SELENE project utilizes a high energy, free electron laser to transfer energy from the ground to orbiting spacecraft or other space targets such as a lunar base . BTOS is the system that delivers the beam energy from the laser to the target.

The primary mission objective of SELENE is to provide energy for operation of geosynchronous satellites including steady-state power for operations, periodic low power for station keeping, periodic high power during eclipses, and high power for transfer orbit apogee burn.

SELENE will also provide energy for operation at middle and high earth orbits (ME()) of 3000+ kilometers. Another possible usage for SELENE will be to provide energy to a laser-augmented solar-electric orbit transfer vehicle wherein a low earth orbit (LEO) vehicle transfers to geosynchronous orbit (GEO) through a spiral trajectory path. Finally, SELENE will provide continuous steady-state energy for operation of a lunar base.
-trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov...

Here is a cool example of the concept being demonstrated with a laser and R/C plane:

Flights of the lightweight, radio-controlled model airplane inside a large building at NASA Marshall are believed to be the first time that a plane has been powered only by laser energy. The demonstration was a key step toward the capability to beam power to an aircraft, allowing it to stay in flight indefinitely -- a concept with potential for the scientific community as well as the remote sensing and telecommunications industries.

-www.nasa.gov...

*I made a bigger and better post, but lost it to site maintenance. This will have to suffice.... Plus I don't want to give too many goodies away - not just yet. I'm only posting this stuff because it was you who asked.

Consider it a sneak peak of an upcoming presentation. ===




[edit on 11-7-2009 by Exuberant1]

You can certainly burn up some research time just Googling all the military space squadrons
shown in the patches on youtube film #6

Black Ops at their finest.


Ames Laboratory U.S. Department Of Energy

Missile Defense Agency

Air Force Space Command

Air Force Research Laboratory

Space Test Squadron

Space Innovation & Development Center

310th Communications Flight

19th Space Operations Squadron

7th Space Operations Squadron

50th Operations Support Squadron

23rd Space Operations Squadron

1st Space Operations Squadron

14th Test Squadron

8th Space Warning Squadron

Of course, you might want to make sure your firewalls are all working well before
snooping around too much.

I also thought this was interesting.

www.desktopalert.net...

Originally posted by Genus
why don't we just get the materials and build our own powerful telescope? Tha way we can look ourselves and no one could tell us we can't.

Just pool enough people together to pay for it. Not too sure what those ones like the South Pole telescope cost, but a public version would be great.

Really how MUCH do you think it would cost to build a scope with enough power, then the problem of land, time to build then running costs power etc yes it really is as easy as saying why dont we build our own.

Plenty of public telescopes round the world even a few you can log into over the net!

Originally posted by wmd_2008

Plenty of public telescopes round the world even a few you can log into over the net!

you going to provide some links to back up that statement of yours of course?

Originally posted by wmd_2008
Plenty of public telescopes round the world even a few you can log into over the net!

I don't think you could see much that way.....

For those that have viewed the Moon Rising movie, I just discovered one of those weird vector shapes, while zooming in on some of the high resolution images found on Google Earth (Moon).

Have to admit to being quite shocked when I stumbled upon it as well as some other anomalies that I hope to post later!




Interested in any comments.

Cheers,

David

reply to post by SpaceJockey


Nice Find!

It looks like the moon spider that Sherpa ordered the high-res image of.

I'll try and find the other images of it.

reply to post by Exuberant1


Hey, thanks Exuberant1!

I was really pumped to find this and I would love to see any higher res versions that show up.

Figure I might as well post the other one here of a cylindrical tower that I found at the same time:

MOON TOWER

I know a lot of moon structure images posted here and on the Net, are very open to interpretation but it's not to hard to see the very clear 'chimney' shape of this one...circular top, hollow tube shape and appearance of rising quite high from the surface.

Would love any feedback as these finds are what made me search for the BEST relevant forum available, to post them on!

When I get a chance I might create video screen-cap movie of the area I found these in and post on YouTube and link here, as long as there's enough interest.

Cheers,

David

Originally posted by SpaceJockey
For those that have viewed the Moon Rising movie, I just discovered one of those weird vector shapes, while zooming in on some of the high resolution images found on Google Earth (Moon).

Have to admit to being quite shocked when I stumbled upon it as well as some other anomalies that I hope to post later!




Interested in any comments.

Cheers,

David

I reckon it's some sort of fault with the film of with the google image display (probably the former).

If it isn't that & it's really something that's there, how big would that thing be?

Can you estimate that from the Google image?