Biggest DISINFO agent ring in the world!

Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
I feel like a broken record here, as I say this every time the topic comes up, but:

The most effective disinfo agents are those that don't know they are participating in it. Simply passing opn false information as fact is being an agent of disinformation.

It's sort of like the word "terrorist". Put a vivid idea of what you WANT that word to mean, and you can attach it to whatever you want.

With "disinfo agent" people automatically think of some gov't spook, sitting in this black suit, with black glasses, ear piece and all, typing away at a computer posting false information.

MOST OF THE TIME, this is not the case. It is much easier to let some ignorant civilian do it for them.

I'm not saying we need people on here calling others disinfo agents, but doing so is really not as outlandish as some would like to make it sound.

good post but i think the term "agents" is what causes some people to laugh when other call someone who is likely just ignorant a Disinfo agent.....

Maybe call them Disinfo ignoramous unknowing disinfo distributer....etc lol

But the problem is not really the members of the site......even though there are some sheep who take MSM's word on here....I am confident there is far less percentage of the MSM indoctrinated followers on ATS then in the larger population outside of ATS.....

You bet your AZZ it's the MEDIA

and sometimes i wonder if the "majority" of population is really that "dumb" that they need to be lied to in order to maintain some semblence of Order in socity....or Structure.......

now i realize how this may come off..........but i think we take a relatively law abiding society for granted.....and perhaps ( i would have to give it more thought) the dumber people generally are .....since they are bred for consumption...........the less truth they could handle without getting real violent (in a detrimental way)....... I mean half the sheep all of a sudden getting knowledge WITHOUT wisdom....would too often make rash emotional over-simplified decisions and likely turn against other citizens for the blame (inc. reb. vs. dem....catholic vs. jew or muslim. all rich vs. poor....black vs. white) etc..........now you think the gov't would promote "wisdom enhancing understanding first"... why would the gov't want a wise populace.....and not a materialistic ....obedient....scatter brained one.....a wise populace may not work and have jobs and generate the revenue for the elite governing class

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No offense, but I doubt 99.5% of the people on this board could actually spot a 'professional' disinfo agent if they bit them on their butt. In a nutshell, if you take the opposite view of someone passionate on a subject, *poof*.... you're a disinfo agent.

I've been accused at least four times, which always makes me laugh. I've seen others accused, with no logical reasons other than they disagree with the person who believes something utterly ridiculous.

If I wanted to control thought by using the MSM, my first thought would
be that--mainstream TV news and newspapers are becoming outdated
in today's dynamic techno-world.

My main concern would be the emerging new media. The instant
communication of information across most borders...THE INTERNET!

The new tech-savvy generation is motivated and influenced by dense,
concise, to-the-point soundbytes. They have little patience for Limbaughs
or Hannitys. These types of programs IMO will wither and die with the
"TV generation" that preceeded the new "Tech generation".

It is my FIRM opinion that if you want to fight...fight for the freedom of
the internet. And you should start NOW. The "other side" already has a head start.
b

Originally posted by rival



If I wanted to control thought by using the MSM, my first thought would
be that--mainstream TV news and newspapers are becoming outdated
in today's dynamic techno-world.

My main concern would be the emerging new media. The instant
communication of information across most borders...THE INTERNET!

The new tech-savvy generation is motivated and influenced by dense,
concise, to-the-point soundbytes. They have little patience for Limbaughs
or Hannitys. These types of programs IMO will wither and die with the
"TV generation" that preceeded the new "Tech generation".

It is my FIRM opinion that if you want to fight...fight for the freedom of
the internet. And you should start NOW. The "other side" already has a head start.
b

You're exactly right, we need the internet. Just imagine how easy it would be to protect if every news station was covering the issue, as they "covered" swine flu. So many millions of people would be moving to crush anything that threatened the internet.

See how the media is still always key?

Goose Stepping Anti-Fox Fascists

I can't help but feel that an overt bias against a particular source of news is an effort to get people not to look at it. It's like the good old boy lawyer who says "Don't go paying no attention to any of that there evidence that boy is trying to show you, he's just the town idiot." Well, I don't think I'm alone in thinking that the evidence or news that the powers that be do not want me to look at are exactly the sources which need to be considered. Goose stepping to the party line has never been for me.

Everything is available for anyone who chooses to look. For those who without medication are pathologically averse to anything reported by Fox News, you can generally get the same information from the Congressional Record or a multitude of other sources. The only problem is that it will generally not be fed to you on a spoon with your morning cup of talking points from the mainstream media.

It does seem very odd that if something is reported by Fox News there seems to be some segment of the population who immediately will put their hands over their ears, close their eyes, and start going LA LA LA LA LA - I can't hear you - LA LA LA LA LA... It's actually very bazaar behavior from people who otherwise would claim to want as much information as possible in order to draw some conclusion to what the truth may be.

Just in case you didn't figure it out yet... The bought and paid for corporate mainstream media are nothing more than a lobbying group for the New World Order. The only difference is that the mainstream media lobbies the public while other lobbyists lobby Congress - and any alternative media that does not subscribe to the Fascist talking points, or person who dares to present other information or a different opinion, will be attacked.

The funny thing is that the majority of people who do most of the attacking invariably fancy themselves as "Free Thinkers" when in fact they take their marching orders from the media elite as if they were uneducated hypnotized zombies.

I'm sorry if it comes as a shock to some of you, it should come more as an embarrassment, like waking up in a field with none of your clothes. But goose stepping in line with the mainstream media and parroting the talking points of the party in power hardly makes you any type of a rebel. If you were a German in 1939 you would be wearing a brown shirt and saluting the Fuhrer. You are completely owned, operated, and spoon fed your beliefs, all while being told you are a free thinker.

The truth really is that "Politically Incorrect" is the most politically correct show on television and the ultimate irony for the little prince's and princess's
who wake up one day to find they have no clothes, just like the king, is that the network they have been bashing so long, Fox News, is the actual politically incorrect source... Pssss - Here's a secret way to figure this out... If the President, both houses of Congress, and 98% of all media say one thing, and Fox News points out something different that the others don't want you to know about, but nevertheless proves to be true, guess who the alternative media is.

Believe it or not Fox News is the actual counterpoint and you're nothing but a goose stepping clone spitting the party line. Coasting through life with blinders on thinking that you can see, waiting for your feed bag every morning from the mainstream powers that be, and if you're a good little clone regurgitating what you've been told by MSNBC maybe a pat on the head from the master - or to quote a line from the movie "Babe"... That'll do Pig, That'll do.

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Wow, that made no sense.

Did you condemn mainstream media, then support it in the very same sentence? Double speak?

I think I may have found the first person who has been insulted by the fact they may have been wrong, for trusting and believing a source of information for so long, that has just been lying to them. I guess your a Fox fan?

I don't know if you noticed, but I wasn't attacking just your precious Fox news. All of them are just as bad, CNN, FOX, NBC, MSNBC etc etc. They are all to blame for the ignorance that is your reality.

Spend some time to look some things up, don't investigate mainstream news, using mainstream news...

Remember, being wrong is not a bad thing, for coming to the realization that you were wrong about something at one point, shows you have learned something new. A more thorough understanding if you will, so don't take this as a downfall, rejoice instead.

Good thread king9072. S&F!

I think more people would easily notice the disinfo in the news if they paid attention to alternative discussions on these matters, but sadly a lot of people have a limited view on these issues because they haven't come across any of the things we discuss here on ATS. Like my grandparents for instance who stopped keeping up with current events like twenty years ago. They only get information from the nightly news and they weren't brought up to ever consider that the news is lying to you. People like my mother also grew up with journalist as heroes who exposed what the big bad politicians were up to. She has trouble believing that the media is in on it all but I give her my two cents on these issues.

On the other side of the coin I have people in my family who grew up watching films like Network ages ago, they've been disillusioned for years.

I think with many people it just takes one spark, one event, to make them question everything. For me, and for many others, that event was 9/11 and the politicians and medias reaction to 9/11 and everything involved with it since. It was a rude awakening, but I'm glad that it opened my eyes.

Originally posted by fleabit
No offense, but I doubt 99.5% of the people on this board could actually spot a 'professional' disinfo agent if they bit them on their butt. In a nutshell, if you take the opposite view of someone passionate on a subject, *poof*.... you're a disinfo agent.

I've been accused at least four times, which always makes me laugh. I've seen others accused, with no logical reasons other than they disagree with the person who believes something utterly ridiculous.

Seriously, I'm really getting tired of this attitude.



[edit on 7-5-2009 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

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Sleep little brother, relax, when you're ready you'll know the truth. ~

Originally posted by som1else
The problem is website like these,

ATS is the biggest "Disinfo Agent". Staff is to lazy to run truth themselves.

They would rather have people like you call other people disinfo agents.

[edit on 7-5-2009 by som1else]

I hope no one is holding a gun to your head and making you use your keyboard. If this site is so terrible why are you here? Why do you contribute?

I get what you're saying, I really do. Sometimes the owners or mods actions or the people they associate with, or the stuff they "hype" really pisses me off but if I thought they were deliberate disinfo agents I sure as hell wouldn't be here so I'm curious to know why you are.

[edit on 7-5-2009 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

It is actually worse than disinformation. It is a description of the world we are being "tuned" to that we are reinforcing in our behavior, expectations, wants and desires.

It comes from where the power is. It is pervasive and has developed well in the multimedia and multicultural markets media.

Look for the main power that controls governments. It is a species control.

Hint. They sell the things you want. They protect the things you have. They take the thing that makes you a fulfilled human.

You are the consumer. They are the feeders.

We are what we eat.

This collective of interests knows how to scale our desires to their advantage.

Here's the very scary part.

They might not be who we think.

They might be the fractal of our own behaviors and weaknesses.

When you decide you have to have something non-essential to your well being, you create a demand. The market meets that demand eventually. The system grows of our desires, either good or bad.

How do you feed it?

There might be some low energy souls who think they are in control and have all the external trappings of wealth and power, but their greatest fear is that we will stop drinking the Kool-Aid they are selling us.

Without us they have no control and the markets will follow us and not an agenda of dysfunctional power addiction. No violence, no events. We control as one.

We are the greatest power on our planet. Second to none in our capacity for change, imagination, knowledge, wisdom and love.

We are one.

ZG

reply to post by king9072


Nice work! - thanks for taking the time to write it so eloquently.

- Those quotes were really good too, noted.

Not posting MSM sources is great for ONLY the ATS members but it won't change anything within those organizations. Maybe what we need here is INFO AGENTS. Each and every time there is misinfo posted on one of the media outlet channels, we should send in letters/emails stating SPECIFICALLY what info. is wrong and why it's wrong and what the correct info is. This should be followed up stating that this will continue until the media outlet stops posting misinfo. In addition, we should write their sponsors stating that we will not purchase any of their products as they are supporting organizations that are pushing false information and again state what that false info is and what the truth is. General ranting won't accomplish anything. The news media can only continue posting their misinformation if they have money and that money comes from their sponsors.

If you truly want to fix the problem, you'll want to take an approach such as this. So do we just want to b!tch or do we want to actually try to fix the problem?????

To help lessen the problem in the meantime here on ATS, I would recommend requiring 2 sources for a thread. Many times I've seen a post with only one source and no other sources to back up the statement in any way.

I thought of an idea, you are right as regards to disinfo BUT there are also differing opinions, what would be a good idea ,if the moderator agrees is, when we reply to a thread, if there are for example a stamp to click on in reply ,like a green if we agree ,red if disagree, and yellow if unsure,
then not only would this stamp go onto the thread, but would also go onto our avatars signature and so ,all would see the percentages of red ,green and yellow stamps, and we would all be the wiser,eh

Originally posted by king9072
Because without the media, there will be no revolution. There will be no change. There will be no freedom, and there will be no way out.

Have you not considered previous "successful" revolutions? With all due respect, your postulations seem to be focused solely on the modern era.

Here is some food for thought, aren't we where we are today as the result of the American Revolution? Look at the Cuban or Russian Revolutions, wherein one "evil-dictator" was replaced by another.

So revolt, then what? I suspect you'll need to organize, have meetings and elect "leaders." Sound familiar?

This is a great read regarding the fallacy of revolution:

blogcritics.org...

You accused a fellow poster of double-speak and yet you profess, we need the media, but it must be stopped. It is obvious you may not entertain contrary views.

You say, you want a Revolution? I suspect not many here have the stomach for that.

reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic



The problem that I have encountered is when my opinion differs from someone else's. Just because I did't agree with a topic that has circumstantial or shaky evidence. Doesn't mean I'm a dis info agent.

I feel that that label gets tossed around way too much on this site.

People are going to have different opinions. Especially when it comes to the alien and other highly controversial topics.

Labeling them dis info agents and then attacking them doesn't seem like the right way to handle it.

Simply put - one mans disinformation is someone elses truth.

See....we're all different. And each of us may share common beliefs, but not one of us shares 100% the same beliefs as someone else. Not with friends, family, no one. Thats what makes us individuals and different. Its why humanity is currently top of the food chain, and its gloriously majestic and bitterly savage at the same time.

The term "Disinfo Agent" is one of the most abused ones on this board in my opinion.

It gets thrown about so cheaply these days and has been reduced in meaning from;

"someone who deliberately sets out to promote, push and sell a particular point of view to further a specific agenda, and is paid to do so or has a vested interest in doin so, using propaganda and truth manipulation"

to

"someone who disagrees with me" (and sometimes over the slightest thing, or over actual science, blind ignorance, topic blindness and even actual honest to goodness facts)

Understanding the machinations of propaganda, and exposing people with "shady" interests is all well and good. Indeed, if every time the term was used here it referred to the first description only, people might make some headway into breaking down the walls of BS that surround us all on a daily basis.

But its not used that way, and until it is then a lot of subjects will go exactly the same way as the 9/11 movement, the UFO movement and others have, into the realms of bickering, splintering, claim, counter claim and self-defeating rhetoric that only serves to foster the "all conspiracy theorists are crazy" illusion that the MSM, and those with an actual vested interest in suppressing truths like to propogate.

There is also a danger of witch hunts, and with my moderator hat on I would remind everyone that ad hominem attacks are a definite no-no on ATS. Civility and decorum are required at all times.

All I can say is Jimmy Stewart in Mr. Smith Goes To Washington should be publicly broadcast 24/7 in every home, township, county, city and state until people finally understand that our common good rests on the shoulders of the common man (or woman).

Originally posted by king9072
reply to post by SaraThustra

 

Wow, that made no sense.

King,

I think maybe you missed the point a bit of that post. I'm pretty sure (and it makes sense) that you can't blind yourself to any media outlet at all simply because you believe (that's key here because believing and factually verifying are obviously 2 different things) that they promote dis-information could be more harmful than helpful. To have a cognizance of what the VALUABLE information is, and to digest it is equally as important as what information you should NOT digest because you KNOW it's not valuable.

Hearing what could potentially be dis-information is important too..to have that awareness of dis-information is tantamount to NOT living with those "blinders" on.

Another point I would like to make is one of tactics. While I'm sure EVERYONE and their brothers would love some pseudo utopian society where everything is fair, the sun always shines, and our biggest decisions are what nice things we could do for our neighbor today would be. However, the reality of it is that we are human, that the world isn't fair, and that our neighbors aren't always worthy of such reciprocity.

With the above in mind, we seem to be in this culture of "Exposed!!"... where we deem it our moral imperative to expose EVERYTHING, whether it be the media, how Britney had a nipslip while in her private residence (imagine the outrage of this even here on ATS if this were the average joe), how many times Obama sneezed (oh wait MSN said he sneezed 4 times, but Joe's up to the minute credible blog source said it was 6!!!! Damn those dis-info agents at MSN). All the while, the tactical advantage of TRUE exposure is losing it's value and it's impact.

If we "desensitize" ourselves to what should be true exposure, and lose the impact it has by CONSTANTLY doing so with meaningless subjects, and we lose the tactical advantage that doing as much has, then we may as well ALL be spoonfed dis-information because the line between the 2 will fade away.


AB1

Someone please tell me what a disinfo agent is?