Our President of faith abandons his faith

reply to post by Bombeni


I came across this a few weeks ago in the morning and with speakers on.

I spilled my coffee everywhere and completely fell for the fright

[edit on 8-5-2009 by XXXN3O]

Originally posted by Bombeni

Yes, he WAS mocking the Bible. No one that fears God is going to bash the Bible, especially to a crowd of people.



[edit on 8-5-2009 by Bombeni]

Simply repeating, over and over again, the same claim does not make it valid. Please explain precisely what he said that you feel constitute mocking the bible?

What were the "mocking," remarks? Were they untrue?

As for your other questions, I will be happy to answer them in a more appropriate thread rather than sidetrack this one. Suffice to say, though, that I belief the bible is not meant to be taken literally in all cases.

Originally posted by Night Watchman

Originally posted by Bombeni

Yes, he WAS mocking the Bible. No one that fears God is going to bash the Bible, especially to a crowd of people.



[edit on 8-5-2009 by Bombeni]

Simply repeating, over and over again, the same claim does not make it valid. Please explain precisely what he said that you feel constitute mocking the bible?

What were the "mocking," remarks? Were they untrue?

As for your other questions, I will be happy to answer them in a more appropriate thread rather than sidetrack this one. Suffice to say, though, that I belief the bible is not meant to be taken literally in all cases.

Don't worry Watchman, I get your drift

It was just as I figured.

Hahaha, and I believe these were your exact words, when defending Barry for mocking the Bible:

Those people are hypocrites and selectively use the verses they agree with and ignore the ones they disagree with or don't support their views.

I believe you speak with forked tongue. Try pulling the wool over someone else's eyes.

As I said before if you are a Christian, you fear God. I shouldn't have to explain that to you though, right? There are scriptures from the OT that I don't necessarily understand, but that was a different time, it was before Christ came and MADE ALL THINGS NEW. I accept everything in the Bible as the Word of God. Someday, if God warrants it is needed, the things I don't understand will be revealed to me.

"For now we see in a mirror, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know fully even as also I was fully known" 1 Cor, 13:12

But between now and then, as a Christian, as one who marvels in the Grace and Mercy God showed me when He delivered His Only Son to stand in my place and take my sins on Himself, I'm not going to mock and question His Word, and certainly not in a public forum as a means to persuade others that the Bible is a fallacy. Nope, no Christian would. That isn't to say some people who attend church wouldn't do what Barry did, but not a Christian.



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Originally posted by Bombeni



Don't worry Watchman, I get your drift

It was just as I figured.

Hahaha, and I believe these were your exact words, when defending Barry for mocking the Bible:

Those people are hypocrites and selectively use the verses they agree with and ignore the ones they disagree with or don't support their views.

I believe you speak with forked tongue. Try pulling the wool over someone else's eyes.


[edit on 8-5-2009 by Bombeni]

You are either incapable of, or unwilling to, grasp the point I am trying to make. Obama was not mocking the words that are contained in the Bible. I don't know how else to convey my point.

He was lashing out at the people who want to use scripture as a basis for the laws of the land. Let me ask you this; do you believe the laws of the United States should be based on the Bible?

Perhaps if you answer that question we can continue this discussion?

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reply to post by Night Watchman


No, it is you who refuse to grasp the fact that Obama was mocking the Bible. If he is not a Christian then no, he is not mocking the Bible because if the Bible is not the Word of your God, it is just a fairy tale to you, then how can you mock a fairy tale? But if you have proclaimed you are a Christian, the Bible is the core of that belief. I understand now why you refuse to believe Barry mocked the Bible, because to you the Bible is not true.

If don't believe the Divinity of Christ, you cannot call yourself a Christian, and be considered a person who tells the truth. There is no room for debate there. We can let this go at this point if you like. But I have about an hour left on computer until Monday so if you want to carry this out I may sign off in the middle of it.

Originally posted by Bombeni
reply to post by Night Watchman

 

No, it is you who refuse to grasp the fact that Obama was mocking the Bible.

So, you are refusing to answer this question?

do you believe the laws of the United States should be based on the Bible?

Explain this to me.

If Jesus loves me, (because the bible tells me so!) and he is God. Why should I fear God? I think Christian's have something seriously wrong with their psyche if they confuse love and fear.

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Originally posted by Miraj
Why should I fear God?
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Most atheists have a problem with religion because they take the metaphors of the bible in a literal sense...they are too uptight (or they have a problem with their lives and they choose to refuse that God exists, because they feel God wouldn't allow things to happen to them)


BUT, to answer your question.

You "fear" God in the way that you should be mindful of not angering God, because God has the power to punish you.

In the same way when we were all children...you play games with your mom and give her a hard time, but the moment you heard a belt clearing belt loops from your dad down the hall....you ran like hell.

You feared him.
But he still loved you.

reply to post by Bombeni


Or was it an issue made for him?

Americans seem to make the big deal out of religion.

reply to post by Fremd




Nice post Fremd.

Telling someone why they should fear God is so futile I'm afraid.

I used to go into this long drawn out diatribe when someone would ask me that. Now, if someone asks me why I fear God, I simply tell them:

Because he's GOD for crying out loud. What part of that don't they understand? He's God.






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Sorry nixienox I don't know which post you were replying to.

Originally posted by Fremd

Originally posted by Miraj
Why should I fear God?
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Most atheists have a problem with religion because they take the metaphors of the bible in a literal sense...they are too uptight (or they have a problem with their lives and they choose to refuse that God exists, because they feel God wouldn't allow things to happen to them)


BUT, to answer your question.

You "fear" God in the way that you should be mindful of not angering God, because God has the power to punish you.

In the same way when we were all children...you play games with your mom and give her a hard time, but the moment you heard a belt clearing belt loops from your dad down the hall....you ran like hell.

You feared him.
But he still loved you.

Actually, in this case, the word fear is not related to fright or terror. It is caused by a feeling of reverence and awe.

fear
4 entries found.

1. 1fear (verb)
2. 2fear (noun)
3. Cape Fear
4. Fear, Cape


Main Entry:
1fear Listen to the pronunciation of 1fear
Pronunciation:
\ˈfir\
Function:
verb
Etymology:
Middle English feren, from Old English fǣran, from fǣr
Date:
before 12th century

transitive verb
1archaic : frighten
2archaic : to feel fear in (oneself)
3: to have a reverential awe of [fear God]
4: to be afraid of : expect with alarm [fear the worst]
intransitive verb:
to be afraid or apprehensive [feared for their lives]
— fear·er noun

Mirriam-Webster Dictionary

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Originally posted by ThirdJohnAdams
Yeah this doesn't surprise me. He's had countless gripes with anything related to Christianity.

Such as? You said countless, count off a few.

Wasn't he just at a school where he made them remove a christian symbol?

No, he was at a school where everything on the stage was covered over, not just one item. As had been done when anyone else spoke there.

When you don't get your news from Faux news, you get the full story. Do you like just getting the parts the ideologues like the most? Do you like being suckered?

Originally posted by Bombeni
reply to post by inked up

 

I agree he should have kept quiet about his faith instead of claiming to be a Christian. It didn't take him long once he had the election bagged to shake that image.

In case you forgot, he had to go public on that one after every far-right whacko kept babbling that he was a secret evil muslim and so forth.

Just because he doesn't lick some fundamentalist's balls by having a big prayer day party doesn't make his beliefs of any less value.

Originally posted by Bombeni
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Thanks for giving a link to Obama "mocking" the bible.

I'm more impressed with him now.

Let's go over the points. The first two items mentioned, slavery and stoning. They are there, and not exactly an American ideal.

Then there's the sermon on the mount, which I would say he was dead-on with.

Originally posted by Bombeni
Majority of Americans, 76 percent, are Christian. Most of them have no idea about Natl. Prayer Day being shleved, msm isn't taking it to task, no surprise, but if it was made clear to Americans I believe the majority would be disappointed in it.

Well, howzabout that? A day of prayer wasn't made the biggest deal ever, and the world didn't end! Waddaya know?

And yeah, most of that 76 probably didn't notice, and I expect there day wasn't harmed or their lives discombobulated in the slightest.

BTW, if the repeated reminders haven't sunk in, it wasn't shelved, it just wasn't the huge event that Georgie Jr. made it into.

Originally posted by Bombeni
By the end of his term he will abolish Natl. Prayer Day, period, imo. After him mocking the Bible the way he did, I know he is not Christian. No Christian would mock the Bible. You may not understand every single thing about God but you aren't going to mock Him if you believe.

Of course he is not Christian.

The sad part is, he would not have become president if he didn't play the role. Religion plays such a large role in our government in such a sad way.

So lets look at it this way. In *my* eyes, IF he wants to change the world for the better (which many of us question), he would have to lie in order to do so. Otherwise, Obama was screwed from winning the presidency.

If I knew I was the man for a job, but I had to say YES to liking Greenday...I would just play along.

For this sake all that vote on any candidate becoz of religion are in my eyes are fundementalist and really needs to learn to split religion and politics from eactother.

Best regards.

Loke.

Originally posted by FritosBBQTwist



Of course he is not Christian.

The sad part is, he would not have become president if he didn't play the role. Religion plays such a large role in our government in such a sad way.

The fact of the matter is that he is a Christian but don't let the facts get in the way. And you are also wrong about the role religion played in the election. If you knew anything about voting demographics in the US, you would know that those who vote based on religious voted overwhelmingly for the Republican ticket.

You might want to do just a little research.





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Our President of faith abandons his faith

Originally posted by AmericanDaughter

Obama says he's christian yet does way too many things that proves otherwise.

Don`t look for proof .

Just have faith , that he has faith . A faith that is to your liking.

Yours Faithfully

Umbra~Sumus.