CONS: H1N1 Flu: A Tale of Evolution, Economics, Power Politics and International Law.

My understanding is pigs always have some sort of flu circulating among them.
Proper cooking of the meat eliminates any possible risk of it being passed to people. And I believe it can't be contracted through ingestion.

Maybe an element of risk dealing with raw meat, but I've never heard about it.

This is, by the way, a primarily human virus, with elements of bird and swine ones mixed. The pigs are more at risk form people than the other way around.

Indications coming out there may be more than one strain of virus involved in all this.


Mike

Originally posted by mmiichael

My understanding is pigs always have some sort of flu circulating among them.

Yes, they do. And until 1997-98, that flu was H1N1.

As referenced above:

"...Viruses of the classical H1N1 lineage were virtually the exclusive cause of swine influenza (in the United States and Canada) from the time of their initial isolation in 1930 through 1998. Antigenic drift variants of these H1N1 viruses were isolated in 1991-1998, but a much more dramatic antigenic shift occurred with the emergence of H3N2 viruses in 1997-1998."

Source: Virus Res. 2002 May 10;85(2):199-210. The emergence of novel swine influenza viruses in North America. PMID: 12034486

Proper cooking of the meat eliminates any possible risk of it being passed to people. And I believe it can't be contracted through ingestion.

Maybe an element of risk dealing with raw meat, but I've never heard about it.

Proper cooking is essential - heat does kill viruses - and the H1N1 virus is present in pork, just as the H5N1 virus is present in chicken meat. ...This is why the WHO specifies that pork and chicken must be properly cooked to avoid danger of infection.

Re: Handling raw meat. One case cited above referred specifically to an H1N1 infection that resulted from handling raw meat:

"We report a human case of upper respiratory illness associated with swine influenza A (H1N1) triple reassortant virus infection that occurred during 2005 following exposure to freshly killed pigs.
Complete genomic sequencing of the virus at CDC identified it as a swine influenza A (H1N1) triple reassortant virus, A/Wisconsin/87/2005 H1N1.

Source: Emerg Infect Dis. 2008 September; 14(9): 1470–1472. Human Case of Swine Influenza A (H1N1) Triple Reassortant Virus Infection, Wisconsin Pubmed Central and CDC

Also, FYI - the reason given for the H5N1 clusters in Asia was that the infected people were the ones butchering the poultry/handling raw meat.

This is, by the way, a primarily human virus, with elements of bird and swine ones mixed.

I guess you missed the references stipulating that H5N1 was virtually the exclusive cause of swine flu in US and Canadian hogs between 1930 and 1998.

"...Viruses of the classical H1N1 lineage were virtually the exclusive cause of swine influenza (in the United States and Canada) from the time of their initial isolation in 1930 through 1998. "

Source: Virus Res. 2002 May 10;85(2):199-210. The emergence of novel swine influenza viruses in North America. PMID: 12034486

Indications coming out there may be more than one strain of virus involved in all this.
Mike

Erm. Maybe you should at least read the article before posting?

I Have mentioned in a few posts about the last batch of flu vaccines. They included human and swine vaccine as well as a questionable vaccine. I have to wonder if the 3rd vaccine was for bird flu.

I was sick 2 months ago with a very bad killer bug, it killed 20 people before my child was hospitalized with it. It never had a flu name, but it is about the same as what they say has now hit Mexico. Did the US purposely give out vaccines, that could spread a virus to all of us, then when the imigrants were sent back to Mexico they passed it on to the unsuspecting public there?

Would this be a way for the US to get rid of some of the illegals? I was told that many illegals are given flu shots when they get back to the border. Maybe this is why Mexico got hit so bad with it.

CDC 2008- 2009 flu vaccines


The flu vaccine protects against the three main flu strains that research indicates will cause the most illness during the flu season. This year’s influenza vaccine contains three new influenza virus strains.

They are:

* A/Brisbane/59/2007(H1N1)-like virus;
* A/Brisbane/10/2007 (H3N2)-like virus;
* B/Florida/4/2006-like virus.

I guess some folks are just ignoring this because they dont want to know that the government is giving them something really bad.

Hello Soficrow,

I think your claim that the H1N1 virus circulating now is just because it was ''Bouncing around for years'' is incorrect and very misleading. The overview of what you are saying (with all those letters and strains etc, etc) is that it just naturally occurred so ''no conspiracy here, move along, move along''.

The Dr Leonard Horowitz video gives a good detailed account of what has been going on. There are others I could point you to, but lets just summarise the main points which are not trivial, yet you mention none of them.

''Dr James S Robertson, Englands leading bioengineer along with the CDC (Centre for Disease Control) helped NOVAVAX produce a genetically modified recombinant of the AVIAN SWINE and FLU viruses, H5N1 and H1N1, which is nearly identical to the virus sweeping Mexico.

The outbreak is precisely timed to the companies new research and huge vaccine stock piling contracts.

Scientists at CDC are implicated through collaboration and publication in private contracts with NOAVAX, a company that obtains its 'bio-similars' from the CDC influenza Branch Director Rubin Odonis and Dr Rick Bbright, (who previously worked with Odonis at the CDC ), now NOVAVAXs Vice-President of global influenza programmes.

Evidence for the conspiracy are the 'markers' on the new virus.

NO OTHER GROUP IN THE WORLD TAKES AVIAN INFECTED CHICKENS,
BRINGS THEM TO EUROPE, EXTRACTS THEIR DNA, COMBINES THEIR
PROTEINS WITH H1N1 VIRUSES FROM THE 1918 SPANISH FLU OUTBREAK.
ALSO MIXES IN SWINE FLU EXTRACTED FROM PIGS, THEN
REVERSE ENGINEERS THEM TO INFECT HUMANS.

Dr Horowitz goes on to explain :
The end product can only end up in Mexico, via the USA and Great Britain and care of the CDC.
Rubin Donis of the CDC had to have sent them to NOVAVAX where Rich Brights team is now implicated in genocide and have some explaining to do.

( ***** THE CLINCHER ******)
CDC just happen to have a vaccine that was approved via the 'fast-track' system which uses a combination of AVIAN, SWINE and FLU which has never been seen in the world before.

THIS IS JUST RIDICLUOUS !

The European Medicines Agency(EMEA) persuade research companies to invest their money against 'mark-up files', which is their way of describing the new viruses, sometimes also called
bio-similars. Dr Robertson holds the genetic rights to the technology to produce the H5N1 and H1N1 ' mark-up files'. He waved his right during the research phase only because of a guaranteed pay-off when the vaccine is commercialised.

Dr Robertson believes it is wise to 'prime' populations worldwide by releasing viruses he and his company are creating (April 2006 scientific discourse ) The WHO working group recommended
that his ''bio similars'' be used to ''prime'' the population in advance of the pandemic reaching the UK or other nations.''

This paints a very different picture to the one you have tried to do. I am also very surprised at the many 'great post', 'well done', blah, blah, posts that followed it straight away. Very strange... but easy to figure out.

(Dr Leonard Horowitz video)
www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Congrats to a great and a very informative thread, I agree both with the political and economical angle. This is what the global market beast has become - terrible indeed!

I made a thread with a theory of the reason WHY the DNA-experts and scientists are now freaking out and why the level of threat is so high:


"I came to this conclusion since I have been following the developments of the spread of H5N1 in Egypt a couple of months back.

Reason for doing this was to check the current status of the spread near Europe.

And I now suspect this is the real reason for the culling of all the pigs there. And it's not only because the muslim population dislikes pig in general:

They are of course terriefied for this H1N1 (swine/man/Avian) to re-combine with the H5N1 in the pigs there (like in Alberta Canada but here the pigs will be incubators of a new virus with both H5N1 and H1N1) into a Armageddon virus. Add the fears of the h274y mutation (Tamiflu resistant strain) in the seasonal flu to combine with our H1N1 - and it becomes very clear for me this is very very serious indeed!

This could be the reason for why the scientists and DNA-experts now are freaking out, and to why we are seeing this high level of alert.

And the virus is now already in Europe and on the shores of Egypt (Israel) "


www.abovetopsecret.com...


Do you think this theory could have any/some connection to the threat level with the conflicting reports & numbers that we now see coming from several places - and to why they are putting down a different cause of death at the hospitals?

The Goverments wants to downplay it while some DNA-experts & scientists are freaking out because they see the real threat?

Thanks & regards!




[edit on 4-5-2009 by Chevalerous]

Ok. I just got a couple of questions about these. One is WHERE did the gov. agency CDC come from to run all American offices in the world....and who do these people of the fox office work about to spin the 'pork' food against people? Are they EATING pork for lunch or supper or are they making a joke against us all?

Sofi, GREAT post Old ATS School.

Now MUMBLYJOE and CHEVALEROUS, bring very important info to the table, let me add something here from the empiric side.

I live in Mexico city and I am connected to lots of people in all levels of society from the very TOP to regular Joe´s.

I have seen and discussed that there have been a lot of Flu cases in Mexico city since December, being a representative of a large school (private) and my wife being an english teacher we have noticed an alarming rate of flu attacks since last year.

I became infected with a very nasty virus in January after returning from 9 days in San Francisco, I caught the bug there in a huge convention and 3 weeks after getting well I got sick again of the flu but in a milder way.

The simptoms were similar but the first one I could barely talk and I really though twice before eating or passing water since the trhoath pain was so much.

Now we have been cuarenteened since April 23 basically the city has been closed down, the hospitals at first were full of people with flu.

Of those less than 500 had a "terrible flu case", to this day there have been 25 deaths and less than a 100 confirmed h1n1 cases, the other cases WHAT ARE THEY?

One of my clients had her son sick with H!N1 he was saved because of very fast action, good medicine and strong will. He is 18 years old. He had the H1N1 strain because her mother works in gene secuencing and she sent the sample to the lab herself.

Sh told me that her son symptoms are not like other sick patients they have. She thinks that at lest the outbreak in MExico city is related to 2 strains.

She confirmed that if these bugs recombine nothing would save the millions of infected, those surviving would be spared only if:

had good atention.
Her His inmune system could cheat the virus or destroy it. (remember the 1918 flu killed strong inmune systems with a ketine storm)
Good medicines
Provided there is food and clean water afterwards.

The Mexican goverment has practically closed down the country these last 10 days because they are afraid of a deadlier strain and I think that is so because thje CHINESSE have stopped recieving any kind of material/flights/cargos/shipment form MEXICO. Of course those guys Know that hey have the h5n1 all over the place and someone with H1N1 will kill millions of chinesse.

So basically we have a cat and mouse game here, if we dont do anything sooner or later a lethal combination will be around the corner and if we shut down the production, we will starve.

Nice way to enjoy the XX! century

pmbhuntress & mumblyjoe - For the record, I won't take vaccines, and refused to allow my daughter her last couple of immunizations. Also FYI - My main concern has been that the FDA decided not to filter out prions from vaccines because "There are so many prions, not just Mad Cow, and new ones keep appearing that there is no way to possibly filter out all of them, so why focus on just one." [Paraphrased from an FDA meeting with the Mad Cow Committee.]

Originally posted by mumblyjoe
Hello Soficrow,

I think your claim that the H1N1 virus circulating now is just because it was ''Bouncing around for years'' is incorrect and very misleading.

mumblyjoe - The point about H1N1 bouncing around with other novel triple assortment strains and clades is that the emergence of a lethal strain was both predictable and stoppable in the beginning, when it was first flagged.

The overview of what you are saying (with all those letters and strains etc, etc) is that it just naturally occurred so ''no conspiracy here, move along, move along''.

If you had read my article, even just the first 10 paragraphs, you would know that's not what I said.

''Dr James S Robertson, Englands leading bioengineer along with the CDC (Centre for Disease Control) helped NOVAVAX produce a genetically modified recombinant of the AVIAN SWINE and FLU viruses, H5N1 and H1N1, which is nearly identical to the virus sweeping Mexico.

Makes sense - a number of concerned scientists have been warning everyone for years that just such a strain would evolve under the circumstances. They were silenced, btw.

FYI - I agree with Horowitz that these idiots would stop at nothing to make a profit - but I also know that large scale animal husbandry forced mutations of these viruses, exported them around the world, and essentially breeds killer diseases.

Please - do read the article. You will find much that intrigues you.

( ***** THE CLINCHER ******)
CDC just happen to have a vaccine that was approved via the 'fast-track' system which uses a combination of AVIAN, SWINE and FLU which has never been seen in the world before.

The real clincher is that the fast track exists - it relies on reverse engineering and does not use chicken eggs to grow the vaccines (fyi - these viruses kill chickens and their eggs, so the eggs make a truly lousy growth medium - you destroy 3/4 of every batch. )

BUT - no one will use reverse engineering to manufacture vaccines - even tho production time is cut from 6 months to 3 weeks - because the Intellectual Property Rights and Patents are spread around 7-10 different owners. Profits are higher if Big Pharma uses the generic chicken egg process...

THIS IS JUST RIDICLUOUS !

I agree.

This paints a very different picture to the one you have tried to do.

You don't really know that, do you? ...because you never read my article.

I am also very surprised at the many 'great post', 'well done', blah, blah, posts that followed it straight away. Very strange... but easy to figure out.

Ya think, eh?


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[edit on 4-5-2009 by soficrow]

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I am not a Ron Paul fan, but he makes a lot of sense on this makes a lot of sense.

OP, your evaluation is great...but I have one problem..your conclusion is so bleak and there is not scientific evidence that a mutation into a superlethal strain is "inevitable"

So I prefer to focus on what is already proven and actionable. New research in the past 4 years on epigenetics has proven that various agents approved for use by these same international organizations WHO CDC NRC... are actually sterilizing agents...for population control.

Mass sterilization campaign EXPOSED! This Includes You! EPIGENOTOXINS! Legal Loophole!

The Catch-22 when HDAC inhibitor depakote was introduced into the population, they can't easily be banned because they are prescribed for seizures so if patients get off of them, they may have episodes. Don't you see how sinister that is? A one way route for a sterilizing chemical to be introduced as a mind-therapy agent... If it was a depot put directly in the head, the testicles might not be so affected, but to dispense HDAC inhibitors system wide is genocide.

The other big one is canned food and bisphenol A, a potent xenoestrogen. This also causes infertility and demethylation of estrogen sensitive tissues increasing risks for disease later in life. When bisphenol A was found to be in those Nalgene bottles, everybody got rid of them...but then they forgot they were getting most of their bisphenol A from canned foods and soda pop..enough to completely impair a class of neurons from firing in the brain.

The flu may kill me tomorrow, but the evidence for this is here today, and it's all I think I can work with.

chevalerous and kix - Thank you. A few thoughts.

* The original H1N1 virus from the 1918 pandemic was reconstituted in 1997 - the same year that weird triple assortments started appearing. Connection? Your thoughts?

* A recent news article said most of the illness/deaths in Mexico were due to an H2N3 strain - BUT - what if that was a typo or misinformation? What if it's the H3N2 strain that first appeared in 1997-98 in the US? From the article:

"...Viruses of the classical H1N1 lineage were virtually the exclusive cause of swine influenza (in the United States and Canada) from the time of their initial isolation in 1930 through 1998. Antigenic drift variants of these H1N1 viruses were isolated in 1991-1998, but a much more dramatic antigenic shift occurred with the emergence of H3N2 viruses in 1997-1998. In particular, H3N2 viruses with genes derived from human, swine and avian viruses have become a major cause of swine influenza in North America."

Source: Virus Res. 2002 May 10;85(2):199-210. The emergence of novel swine influenza viruses in North America. PMID: 12034486

Not that there aren't a number of strains and clades bouncing around.

Also, don't forget that the US exported triple assortment H1N1 to Asia long ago - plenty of time to start mixing and traveling...

???

lol I just played a swine flu epidemic informative level on Little Big Planet talking about how many people are profiting and a direct correlation to the NWO. I wonder if he comes to ATS...

When it comes to profits I have been following the markets for a while since the economic crisis started, I can not stop thinking how in the hell the markets in the US are doing so great since the Flu scare came to be.

Interesting detail that we all should be looking into.

With all the economic mess we are in, this seems odd to me.

Originally posted by soficrow

Indications coming out there may be more than one strain of virus involved in all this.
Mike

Erm. Maybe you should at least read the article before posting?

Sorry for relaying info based on imperfext memory. I used to produce a medical journal, and read a few dozen articles on related subjects in a typical week. Some not as thoroughly as I should.

You mentioned cooking properly to kill the viruses. I wonder how much is spread by consumption undercooked meat. Something happening around where I work gives me reason to suspect this is an often overlooked cause.


Mike

Here is the 'real' information for all to know:

Flu pandemic explained well here.

Alternative news less NWO filters.

Alex Jones Speaks as a Patriot should. Wake up people!

Time is running 'thin'.
The time to 'Act' is now!

FYI -

Back in 2005, I wrote a lot on quarantine. Here are 4 articles I found:

As any farmer can tell you, quarantine never works if you don't clean the barn. In this case, the barn is the whole planet. Rather than quarantining select human victims, it would be far more effective for the US government to enforce existent EPA regulations and ensure safe water treatment.

Yet instead of tackling the most significant bird flu transmission vectors - plus other emerging epidemic infectious diseases in America's water and environment - the Bush administration is focusing solely on person-to-person transmission and planning quarantine, which a) won't work, and b) will curtail civil liberties. One needs to wonder why.

Bush Signs Quarantine Orders for Bird Flu
www.abovetopsecret.com...

***

" ...they're gonna quarantine the people - instead of preventing epidemics by cleaning up the environment, quarantining animals, and regulating industrial pollution. It's the corporate solution.

The Quarantine Solution
www.abovetopsecret.com...

***

Quarantine and Starvation: A Standard Depopulation Strategy
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Quarantine Until Death: The Pandemic Policy Now on Trial in the Court of Public Opinion
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Case in point, colloidal silver, you take too much and you'll turn blue.

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He was making his own colloidal silver if you watch the video. Most of the time this happens when you use tap water or water that still has trace amounts of chlorine. The chlorine in tap water binds to the silver creating silverchloride and your body can't detoxify this causing argeria as well as mania. I have been taking colloidal siver myself for 10 years from a reputable source and I'm not blue. People really need to research on how to make colloidal silver before making there own!! I do agree that colloidal silver is one of the most effective for viral/flu type symptoms.

Well to continue this Saga...

Even if I was exposed to the H1N1 10 days ago and again 48 hours ago, I am symptom-less. So I guess good cleaning and prevention works.

Today I learned that Our president sent a new law to the senate to allow the Mexican Health department to have "SPECIAL POWERS" to detain you and put you in a quarentene if you are deemed a dangerous or infectious person (READ SICK).
The senate voted it right away and now its a LAW.

Heck our contitution just went down the Krapper...Guess other governments will do the same after shocking everyone and send them to panic.

President Calderon announced 2 hours ago that universities will retun to classes 2 days from now and primary an secondary schools will do next week.
He also announced huge incentives towards tourism and fiscal incentives but he did not talk a lot about the real DANGER of thsi BUG.

In the mean time economy came to an alt if you want to see how empty it was check this link.
empty mexico city

The question remains, when this virus mutates and gets out of control, how far will you let go your liberties because you are scared?
How far will goverments will go to protect or to decimate their own people?

Those questions along with medicines, vaccines, and who knows what else are what we should be thinking about...

Just found this... very interesting...

A cytokine storm, or hypercytokinemia is a potentially fatal immune reaction consisting of a positive feedback loop between cytokines and immune cells, with highly elevated levels of various cytokines.[1]
from wikipedia>

Since this reaction is what killed thousands in the 1918 Pandemic, some companies are working on it...it may be the "PILL" that allows you to survive the killer flu that will undoubtely later on...

OX40 IG
A 2003 report in the Journal of Experimental Medicine published by researchers at Imperial College London demonstrates[10] the possibility of preventing a cytokine storm by inhibiting or disabling T-cell response. A few days after T cells are activated, they produce a biologic molecule called OX40, a "survival signal" that keeps activated T-cells working at the site of inflammation during infection with influenza or other pathogens. OX40 binds to receptors on T-cells, preventing them from dying and subsequently increasing cytokine production. A combined protein, OX40-immunoglobulin (OX40-Ig), a human-made fusion protein, prevents OX40 from reaching the T-cell receptors, thus reducing the T-cell response. Experiments in mice have demonstrated that OX40-Ig can reduce the symptoms associated with an immune overreaction while allowing the immune system to fight off the virus successfully. By blocking the OX40 receptor on T-cells, researchers were able to prevent the development of the most serious flu symptoms in these experimental mice[10] and reported the results in New Scientist.[11] The drug, to be made by a company called Xenova Research (Xenova Research was purchased by Celtic Pharma, a private equity firm, in September 2005), was supposed to be in phase I clinical trial in 2004, but its status is currently unknown.[12]

emphasis mine.

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
Nice post mate!

If nations really wanted to protect their citizens from pandemics, they would halt all air traffic and international commerce. Nice to know our human lives rate second to rabid capitalism.

To all those that think capitalism is the 'be all to end all', and that socialism/communism are the true evils; it's time you took stock, and a hard look at yourself in the mirror.

S&F!

IRM

[edit on 4/5/09 by InfaRedMan]

That won't make any difference to the inevitable it merely slows it down. Can you stop the migration of all birds in the air and all animals (human included) on land?

What we can do is accept the inevitable and prepare ourselves for it.