The Growing Discontent

Originally posted by whaaa
Just curious....what criteria are you going to use to determine weather a person would or wouldn't be a detriment to the group.

And how are you going to determine if they are lying or not and possibly have a hidden agenda?

ill talk with the person over the internet for a while and use my descretion

im aware that there is the possibility of infiltration, but it would be largely ineffective do to the structure of the group
every one of the people currently in it i trust with my life
if the person turns out to have a sinister/ulterior they will be dealt with by whatever means are necessary

our groups primary focus will be survival to be able to continue fighting

I wouldn't think that a public forum would be the place to release operational information that would inform a would-be infiltrator as to which tracks they should or should not cover.

nenothtu out

reply to post by TheTrumpCard


Not to dampen anybodies ideas. But since you bring up a good point about infiltration. How do we know we can trust you? How can we trust that you yourself might not happen to have a sinister motive of your own?

reply to post by Question


We don't. Trust is something that has to be earned, and developed. It isn't just demanded or granted. There is an element of discretion and common sense involved.

nenothtu out

Originally posted by Question
reply to post by TheTrumpCard

 

Not to dampen anybodies ideas. But since you bring up a good point about infiltration. How do we know we can trust you? How can we trust that you yourself might not happen to have a sinister motive of your own?

i might; you dont really know, but im willing to talk to people and give them a chance
im not going to be so paranoid that i wont at least attempt to work with people outside my circle

and to the person who said revaling how my group will be operating is a good idea; my ego isnt big enough to think the gov currently cares where i will be if # hits the fan AND i dont think ive given any information that will be important

[edit on 8-5-2009 by TheTrumpCard]

reply to post by littlebunny


If left to the organizational devices of mere men you’d have a point. However, there is a master conspirator who has been at this for 6000+ years. Also, TPTB have set a time limit with several United Nations Treaties passed during the Clinton administration the we are unknowing signatories to. We must be submitted to UN control by the end of 2010.

TPTB have set a time limit with several United Nations Treaties passed during the Clinton administration the we are unknowing signatories to. We must be submitted to UN control by the end of 2010.

SGTChas?? Please provide information concerning this. Not that I do not believe you - I, in fact, do!! Just want to see this for myself......

Originally posted by TheTrumpCard

and to the person who said revaling how my group will be operating is a good idea; my ego isnt big enough to think the gov currently cares where i will be if # hits the fan AND i dont think ive given any information that will be important

[edit on 8-5-2009 by TheTrumpCard]

I'm sorry. I didn't make my post clear. It was directed to whaaa, regarding his question to you, and was meant to convey the idea that the information he was seeking, vis-a-vis specific 'filter' techniques or questions to weed out 'infiltrators' aren't likely to be posted in the clear, on an open forum. No point in giving the opposition the info needed to hide their disease. I'd imagine that would vary from group to group, anyhow.

Again, I apologize for any confusion. Sometimes my brain outruns my mouth.

nenothtu out

[edit on 2009/5/8 by nenothtu]

reply to post by Champagne


Clinton used executive orders to circumvent Senate ratification of UN treaties. In effect, if a majority of the Senate did not vote AGAINST a treaty our UN Ambassador signed, it became law. We have been sold down the river by all our elected officials.


www.worldnetdaily.com...

This link is not working so you will have to highlight, copy and paste it into your browser:

archive.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1999/1/29/113355

Add the : http://

[edit on 5/8/2009 by SGTChas]

Originally posted by nenothtu
I'm sorry. I didn't make my post clear. It was directed to whaaa, regarding his question to you, and was meant to convey the idea that the information he was seeking, vis-a-vis specific 'filter' techniques or questions to weed out 'infiltrators' aren't likely to be posted in the clear, on an open forum. No point in giving the opposition the info needed to hide their disease. I'd imagine that would vary from group to group, anyhow.

Again, I apologize for any confusion. Sometimes my brain outruns my mouth.

nenothtu out

[edit on 2009/5/8 by nenothtu]

ahhh i see
and you are correct in that i wont reveal how im going to judge a persons character

no harm done

but as i said before; anyone who would be willing/able to meet up with us in texas when SHTF can message me
all takers are welcome to interview me as much as i interview them

Originally posted by SGTChas
reply to post by Champagne

 

Clinton used executive orders to circumvent Senate ratification of UN treaties. In effect, if a majority of the Senate did not vote AGAINST a treaty our UN Ambassador signed, it became law. We have been sold down the river by all our elected officials.


www.worldnetdaily.com...

This link is not working so you will have to highlight, copy and paste it into your browser:

archive.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1999/1/29/113355

Add the : http://

[edit on 5/8/2009 by SGTChas]

I don't have a lot of time tonight, but tomorrow I will read that link... However, if what that link says is true, by Constitutional decree those treaties are not legal if the Senate does not approve of them, period. What I find odd is if that is true, why no one has challenged them in a US court. It wouldn't be much of a fight, the Constitution is extremely clear on how treaties are to be ratified and legally binding.

Regarding your other post... I understand what you are saying, perhaps tomorrow I will find the time to explain my concerns in more detail, and then perhaps you can help me understand where I am wrong or why what I am thinking may not be totally accurate.

--Charles Marcello


[edit on 8-5-2009 by littlebunny]

I find all of this NWO conspiracy difficult to believe. But recent events do not make a civil war between the people and the government unthinkable. I think all it takes is for enough funds to stop flowing in an economic meltdown for people to lose it, and I think it will happen. Once this happens, the government will immediately take steps to expand itself and assert total control (as it already has been doing, but even more so). Most won't be prepared, those that are prepared will fight, and those that weren't prepared, once they realize what is happening, they will fight too.

Originally posted by enthalpy
I find all of this NWO conspiracy difficult to believe. But recent events do not make a civil war between the people and the government unthinkable.

If you think about it, there's a civil war every few years between the Government and the People whenever election time rolls around.

As I see it, the civil war hasn't been effective primarily due to complacency by the People at large and what seems to be a majority unwillingness to educate themselves properly on the what's and why's of how they should be voting in a manner consistent with protecting their interests and the interests of generations to come.

We've descended into a "me" generation that would prefer placing focus on material goodies and meaningless little "issues" than on where it counts.


AB1

reply to post by TheTrumpCard


I would be more than willing to join in your group because as stated, I am pretty much alone in my beliefs here in Central Pennsylvania. However, obvious distance reasons prohibit such from happening.

Should SHTF and by that time I do not find any allies here, I wouldn't mind having a safe group evac point for myself and my family, even if it is somewhere as far as Texas. I have reliable ways of covering A LOT of ground in little time should something happen so it isn't a big deal.

SGTChas, if you know of anything local for me to get in touch with, then I would appreciate any information. If you need a more specific location then just let me known and I will message you.

reply to post by SGTChas


Here's the thing Sarge, those treaties we never really signed. Just a bunch of megalomaniacs bent on world destruction. While in the comfort of their secret rooms these plans sound nice. Do they honestly expect Americans like you and me to simply bend down and take it?

Treaties or no treaties, they're not gonna have it that easy, and personally if I was them, I'd start watching my back since they've made that target on their back much bigger.

For years now I have watched as everything that ‘we’, the original conspiracy theorist, had warned of take place more or less just as we had warned. We in the Patriot movement attempted to educate our fellow Americans on what the target of the bombing of the Federal Building in Oklahoma was; city after city I spoke to groups of fellow patriots telling them that this was just a Black Flag Op aimed at restricting rights and demonizing true patriots. I told polite but skeptical crowds that there would be other attacks blamed on terrorist, domestic or otherwise, that would be used to take our rights in the name of ‘safety’ just as the Patriot Act 1 and 2 did.

At each step being hounded by Federal plants and interlopers; being mocked and jeered at, but I and others like me continued on. We passed out copies of the Army Field Manual on ‘what to do in the coming economic collapse and crisis’, the FEMA manual picturing an airplane getting ready to hit WTC2 exactly where it did, evidence after evidence from the conspirators own hands and mouths, and still no one listened. Now right where, when and how we all warned it would happen, it is exactly as we warned, and still the “I can’t believe in some government conspiracy” along with talk of continued arranging the deck chairs and painting the decks with our governmental Titanic’s iceberg off the starboard bow; I stand amazed.

However, tonight I remembered how survivors of the holocaust knew something was wrong, but they just could not bring themselves to believe that their government, any government, could do such a thing. Many went into the ‘showers’ comforting each other with “see, they are caring for us and want the best for us”, until the gas began to burn and melt their lungs. It seems that it is true that the only thing we learn from history is that no one ever learns from history. Funny that the same people who helped the NAZI eugenics program, the Progressives (A new thread I started) now run our government.

As for those who are sending me messages on the different groups, I have contacted leaders in the areas of the ones who have contacted me to ask for instructions on how to proceed, as these groups have learned hard lessons. I will contact you back when they send me instructions on how they wish to handle the interest in the different states movements.


[edit on 5/10/2009 by SGTChas]

Originally posted by SGTChas
At each step being hounded by Federal plants and interlopers; being mocked and jeered at, but I and others like me continued on. We passed out copies of the Army Field Manual on ‘what to do in the coming economic collapse and crisis’, the FEMA manual picturing an airplane getting ready to hit WTC2 exactly where it did, evidence after evidence from the conspirators own hands and mouths, and still no one listened. Now right where, when and how we all warned it would happen, it is exactly as we warned, and still the “I can’t believe in some government conspiracy” along with talk of continued arranging the deck chairs and painting the decks with our governmental Titanic’s iceberg off the starboard bow; I stand amazed.

However, tonight I remembered how survivors of the holocaust knew something was wrong, but they just could not bring themselves to believe that their government, any government, could do such a thing. Many went into the ‘showers’ comforting each other with “see, they are caring for us and want the best for us”, until the gas began to burn and melt their lungs. It seems that it is true that the only thing we learn from history is that no one ever learns from history. Funny that the same people who helped the NAZI eugenics program, the Progressives (A new thread I started) now run our government.

Thank God there are people, such as yourself, who have continued to speak despite being mocked and jeered at!! And, that you all have planned and set up a network that is already in place.

The “I can’t believe in some government conspiracy” people are many and they are much more concerned with what they can buy themselves today rather than what may happen that will disrupt their little lives of perceived security. Many of them will totally freak when the SHTF and will not know how to proceed when the comfort they have had disappears.

Many have no idea what it is like to have no running water...no electricity...no cell phones....no gas for their cars....no food to eat. Many have never had to endure such things and will not know what to do when it occurs and then there will be madness - at the loss of such things.

Though I have never fought in battle, I survived a 'battle' of my own making for many years when I was in my 20's and 30's. I do know what it is like to go without the above things and I am a survivor - I can survive as I have survived! Many, now days, are spoiled to all they have & can in no way envision life without their 'things'......Really kinda sad, when you think about it. It's kind of like, when I was a very small child and thought money must grow on trees - though my family's tree provided very limited fruits.

You know, my concern (for myself) today is the fact I have grown much older. My health is not as good, weight (because I eat more regularly than when in my 20's) is much more, and I have not 'lived' on the streets in several decades - these things, I am aware, will make it harder to survive than when I was younger. Thus the need for networking & staying in contact with people - such as in this thread - because when the SHTF I want to survive!! I will do anything to survive whatever is coming....

So many people would much rather believe all is well and continue their lives as if nothing is changing - even within my own family. I think it is more about the brainwashing that has gone on for many decades as opposited to human nature - at least, I hope that is the case.

When the S does HTF people such as us will have to be on the lookout for the many who know not what to do as much as the government that will condenm and presecute us. The masses of blind 'spoiled' will become animals after whatever they can get for themselves - instead of thinking about the country we need to save. This is why I seek the sanctuary of like minded Patriots to become a part of - not merely to survuve but for our country to survive!!

Thank you, sometimes I feel like just going fishing and sitting back and watching these sheep get sheered and cooked while I bait another hook. Human nature is one of "I told you so" while letting those who were warned get the results of their folly.

But then:

De Oppresso Liber! Duty and honor!

[edit on 5/10/2009 by SGTChas]

reply to post by SGTChas


Very well put Sarge, don't forget that now, thanks to the media, and people still being deluded, we are now labeled as "right wing extremists" even HERE on ATS by a few of the liberal staunch Obama supporters. Who CONSTANTLY, for no apparent reason other than "wanting to be right" continue to say "You're just saying that because obama is black/ a liberal" etc. etc. etc.

My favorite hysterical line that these liberals use is "Where were you when Bush did the same to our rights with the patriotc act.?" etc. etc. My response is "WE WERE THERE YOU NARROWMINDED BRAINWASHED IDIOTS!" Yes, we were there too! But you didn't get to see much of it in the news did you? and even then, they flipped the tables and said that we were just a bunch of "angry liberals" So apparently, us conspiracy theorists seem to change titles in the media depending on which party is in charge.

But listen to this you bunch of stoned/baked liberal hippies. This isn't about republicans, this isn't about your lot either. Quite frankly, you BOTH stink! and you BOTH are a disgrace to our nation. Get it through your narrow minded head that what is happening right now is bigger than stupid party lines, and BOTH you and republicans are going to pay the price for your WILLFUL ignorance and WILLFUL arrogance. This is about the constitution and the nation that our founding fathers were trying to create so that we ALL could live and prosper by the benefits of OUR OWN fruits and labor without having the government stick their noses into EVERYTHING that we do!

Is my tone harsh? Is my tone rude to the sensitive ears of the liberals? Is it too embarrassing for the so called "conservatives"/republicans that want to "save face" and talk diplomatically with the enemy? GOOD because quite frankly I'm getting sick and tired of your lot and your excuses! I'm sorry I don't share the same "happy feely" "Everybody wins" mentality that your pathetic group shares. But sometimes people NEED to be told when they're being stupid, that they're ideas would do nothing more than put lives in danger, and that they're getting too close into other people's business for their own good.

Sarge, I apologize if I sound a bit out of line, but quite frankly, it's getting so frustrating especially when talking to people that have been so utterly brainwashed, that you simply can't talk any sense into them, even when you show them evidence to the contrary of their beliefs. It's like talking to a brick wall. I've had to come to the conclusion that this particular group of people (whether liberal or republican) aren't interested anymore in finding out the truth and actually BEING right. They just want to FEEL as if they're right, in other words? they like to thrive on the EMOTION of "intellectual superiority" without ACTUALLY being intellectually superior. Just "feeling" right or righteous is enough, even if they're wrong.

I was going over my stash, and almost blew the whole deal!

Forgot a large bottle of Jack Daniels and some brandy. For medicinal purposes only . . .

Found four more gallons of sorghum! Man! That stuff is like the old Brylcream. Just a little goes a long way.

Hoping to order some more handgun brass tomorrow, and hopefully, that should tide me over for a while.

Maybe we should all be looking for some land near Lynchburg, Tennessee . . .