If the AntiChrist were on Earth today who would they be or who would you want them to be?

Wow, it amazes me that people that think of themselves as "un-believers", "anti-religion" or "atheists" have a very deep hatred for Christianity in general. If they are so sure about their views and beliefs, why go on a frenzy and attack those that do believe? They're fine without religion or Christianity, so why bother?

If they want to be respected and want tolerance, they must do the same with those with different beliefs. If not, they can't expect to be respected nor taken seriously. If insulting, bashing and being a bigot is their SOP and/or best "defense" when discussing, they've already lost.

“Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong.”

Jean-Jacques Rousseau

reply to post by Syrus Magistus


I've been giving you stars, because you are right about christianity, but it is not just christianity itself that is "anti-christ". It is just the "mystery religion", and that mystery religion is apparent in most, if not all the worlds religion.

The anti-christ itself is basically a false authority figure. This is why people look to government and such for who is the anti-christ.

If you look at the qualities the anti-christ will take, they are all functions of government which try to be god-like.

All knowing and omnipresent - spy programs
All Powerful - military
Judge and Jury, able to forgive sins or put people to death - judical systems.

All these things try to take the place and role of god.

As Christ is a mostly a title, I think so is the anti-christ. There are many people who could have carried a title of anti-christ. I look at it as more of a constant function, rather than a single person. Although if eventually the anti-christ loses out, and the title itself gains power until then, in the end there will be some big major "anti-christ". But truly I believe it is just the figurehead of a system.

Where religion and such comes into this is that it keeps people blind. Paul in the NT tells people that "all power is of god", that would include Satan and the anti-christ. And he tells people to submit to the powers of this world. Which is a perversion of what Jesus did. Jesus did not submit to the powers of this world, he simply was not evil and did not use evil as a way of fighting back. But he was killed because he did not submit to the authorities.

More proof of this can be found in the OT. As God did not want to give the jewish people a king as the "nations" had. But the people demanded a king. God tells Samuel - it is not you they reject, it is me they reject. They do not want me as their king. And then Daniel becomes king and so forth.

As well

www.biblegateway.com...

Psalm 82

2How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Those who simply accept what they are told judge unjustly. Because they just accept, they know not, and they do not understand. All the foundations(institutions) of the earth are out of course. Why? Because they all create themselves into an authority to which you are supposed to accept and not question(blind faith).

Jesus says seek, not accept and so forth as christianity says. He says knock on doors, they will be opened. Do not worry about getting a serpent when you ask, christianity says do not question at all.

So what we see is manipulation on authority. It's all a matter of who's authority people follow. That of god(who gives in understanding and wisdom, the only things of real value), or the authorities of this world. And christianity under Paul and such sets the tempo for getting people to accept the worldly authorities, Ironically in a book named after the worldly authorities of the time.

reply to post by king9072


Good video, very enjoyable. Brought back memories. Unfortunately you are right. It took me literally decades to get over the prejudice. I never attained what I wanted to, due to the emotional damage. I am 45 now and have very little to look back on, and very little to look forwards to. That whole experience wasted my youth and interfered with the training I desperately needed to succeed in the real world.

Eventually my disdain for Christianity caused me to jump ship to Buddhism, which I found to be verily far more sensible. I still have issues with the Christians, but the Buddha teaches tolerance, patience, and the so called "brotherly love" supposedly not seen outside Christian circles. Anyway, not trying to push the Buddha here. I brought it up to illustrate how I found a balance.

The upshot is, if you are strong enough, you can come out of "Her", the so called "harlot" and "Babylon", the western stylized Christian faith which paves the road to Hell. But you have to rise up on your own, no one is going to do it for you, not even Jesus. God helps those who help themselves, show some intention and make cause for action. Make today the first day of the rest of your life when you say to yourself "I will start reading and thinking for myself, no one will do it for me!".

Yeah. That's the revolution. Viva la revolucion!

to me the antichrist has already been beaten (george bush) he is the antichrist he tried to kill millions of people in iraq for no apparant reason

What is the antichrist?

ilogical sense, obstruction. anarchy fully evolved. anyone?

reply to post by etherical waterwave


The Anti-Christ is an "enlightened cosmic brother" in space waiting to deceive humanity one last time. Ever heard of the New Age movement? His name is Maitreya. His title is The Maitreya. He is the Anti-Christ. The Beast with seven heads and ten horns and many crowns(titles) and a blasphemous name. ( Maitreya is the name of the coming Buddha thus it is a blasphemy to God as Buddhists worship idols.)

Revelation 13:18
"Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six."

That means use Gematria to calculate his name. Do it like they did. Hebrew is the preferred way to calculate as his name in all seven spellings equals 666. Also in English Greek and Koine Greek among others.

Its that simple. We live in the times when nothing will not be revealed.

Mark 4:22 ""For nothing is hidden, except to be revealed; nor has anything been secret, but that it would come to light."

Thus the Beast can be known beforehand and thus it is MAITREYA.

www.share-international.org...

Take a moment to familiarize yourself with it. Lame website but check it out. There is a new star up there.

reply to post by watchtheashes


That stuff I think is a bunch of dis-info. I see people all the time trying to make these claims about anti-christ this, anti-christ that. And they never come true.

I fail to see how this thing is going to suddenly make everyone change their minds about things.

Mostly I see people looking outwards towards other religions as being false, rather than looking at their own.

Not that I'm sticking up for that website and stuff. If people actually started following it on mass etc, then I would be like whats going on here. But most of the times it seems these things are simply nothing more than a red-herring.



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reply to post by justsomeboreddude

Also, if you had a choice who would you want the AntiChrist to be?

Why would I want the Antichrist to be anyone? Antichrist bad...I wouldn't wish that fate on anyone.

It's my understanding that an antichrist is someone who is antiethical to the Catholic faith as a whole. So there have been, at times in history, more than one antichrist.

reply to post by badmedia


I assure you whole-heartedly by the Holy Spirit that this man is the Beast. There is a new star up there. More and more people are being contacted by "enlightened cosmic masters" and this is part of his doctrine and who he comes with. He is often presented by Benjamin Creme and if the United Nations takes him seriously why not the average citizen. Only he is The Beast so he is a deceiver in the broadest sense of the word.

reply to post by seagull


There have been more than one Anti-Christ Hitler was the last one of many of them. The third one is to come though and its not a Catholic Church. They will merely teach his teachings.



Luke 12:2 "For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known."

When Jesus Christ said no man knows the day or hour he meant just that. The DAY or the HOUR. He's hinting that it is the Feast of Trumpets when no one knows the day or hour but when the rabbi announces the new moon. You can't know the day or the hour, but the month and the year would come out to September 2015. That is the only year coming up in which a Tetrad falls on Jewish Holidays. The Jewish 2009 started in 2008. Going by our calendar it would be 2015, but the Hebrew would be 2015/2016 timeframe.

Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken."

Joel 2:31 "The sun will be turned into darkness And the moon into blood Before the great and awesome day of the LORD comes."

Acts 2:19 'AND I WILL GRANT WONDERS IN THE SKY ABOVE AND SIGNS ON THE EARTH BELOW, BLOOD, AND FIRE, AND VAPOR OF SMOKE.

Acts 2:20 "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come."

The Day of The Lord is after the Tribulation which is before the Great Tribulation. There are three separate parts to the issue.

EDIT: I forgot to list it in order so it is Tribulation Great Tribulation then Day of The Lord period on those who accepted the mark and would not repent.

This is synonymous with the sixth seal event also.

Revelation 6:12
"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood."

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I really do not think we should be trying to figure out who the "anti-Christ is. This is treading on dangerous ground to make light of the subject. One would be better off making sure they were spiritually ready for that day. It will be a terrible day for Christians and without getting prepared now we will not be spiritually ready to stand up against all the terrible things that will fall upon this earth.

Peace to all,
Grandma

Fun thread! I just think if we have to have an Anti-christ at all, why not let it be Obama? I think it would just be so beautifully ironic! Of course I don't believe it to be true but it would be text book if it were

reply to post by jackieps1975


They said a week after the star appears that Maitreya would begin emerging onto the world scene but not declared as Maitreya. The star appeared on Christmas (which is really suspicious as Christ was really born in September) However I don't believe a man with a family and wife and history of writing a book would be the Anti-Christ but a new spiritual new age teacher that comes with aliens (giants in the English translation is mistranslated from Nephilim or the Fallen Ones. The same fallen ones that hybrid breed with the daughters of men in Genesis in the days of Noah.)

Yeshua said "As in the days of Noah, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be." Matthew 24:37

That means Nephilim (aliens or at least that's what they'll claim) will be here too as that was the reason for the Flood along with all the sin.

Originally posted by watchtheashes
I assure you whole-heartedly by the Holy Spirit that this man is the Beast. There is a new star up there. More and more people are being contacted by "enlightened cosmic masters" and this is part of his doctrine and who he comes with. He is often presented by Benjamin Creme and if the United Nations takes him seriously why not the average citizen. Only he is The Beast so he is a deceiver in the broadest sense of the word.

I guess we will see. I'm honestly not sure about the whole anti-christ thing and the end times as being anything like what is described literally. Where as others look at it as a time of death and destruction, I look at it as a time of new beginnings.

I see many of the prophecies based on the actions as already having been fulfilled, or as being fulfilled on a daily basis, and that many of the things are an ongoing learning process for people.

The way I see things is that this planet is quarantined off from the rest of the universe/creation. IE: Removed from the garden. This is because we are here to learn both good and evil. And so we have evil present on earth, but the rest of the universe(or whatever ends up being the real garden/heaven if not this universe), does not have this evil. Because when evil is present among a society, by default that society changes. You only need police and governments etc because of evil people. No crimes, no need for police etc.

So the earth is a place to learn that lesson etc. Eventually the evil on this planet gets to be so big, and the world unites under it. At which point mankind is able to reach out into the universe, and thus spread the evil with them. And thus, the earth will be "reset", so that future lessons can happen(1000 years of peace). Tower of babel style.

So I don't know. I just figure I should learn the lesson of good and evil so that I can gain wisdom in order to make the correct choice. Who ends up being the good and evil of this world? I guess time will tell, but I figure the best I can do is gain that wisdom, so that perhaps I can see for myself based on that wisdom. While the anti-christ may be somekind of upcoming great evil, it certainly isn't the only evil of this world.

reply to post by badmedia

Tower of babel style.

Skyscrapers are made by corporate persons and thus our sins are reaching to Heaven. AMERICA is Mystery Babylon. John saw the Statue of Liberty(which believe it or not is an idol). Some prophecies repeat or have two meanings to them. It could be a new Roman Empire (look at Washington Architecture too though) but I think it is Second Rome in the sense of the USA. Plus a few verses later we hear the angel say:

Revelation 17:18 "The woman whom you saw is the great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth."

Revelation 18:4 " And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

Revelation 18:5 "For her sins have piled up as high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities."

Jeremiah 51:9 "We applied healing to Babylon, but she was not healed; Forsake her and let us each go to his own country, For her judgment has reached to heaven And towers up to the very skies."

Jeremiah 51:6 "Flee from the midst of Babylon, And each of you save his life! Do not be destroyed in her punishment, For this is the LORD'S time of vengeance; He is going to render recompense to her."



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reply to post by watchtheashes

Skyscrapers are made by corporate persons and thus our sins are reaching to Heaven. AMERICA is Mystery Babylon. John saw the Statue of Liberty(which believe it or not is an idol). Some prophecies repeat or have two meanings to them. It could be a new Roman Empire (look at Washington Architecture too though) but I think it is Second Rome in the sense of the USA. Plus a few verses later we hear the angel say:

If you took the time to read the Treaty of Paris and the Treaty of Ghent with the same focus you read the Bible...you might just conclude it's not a new Roman Empire but the same old Roman Empire.

If you took the time to read International Treaties prior to the formation of the United States of America...you might just might see how the Roman Empire continued to evolve through those contracts.

If you took the time to read history religiously instead of religious history you just might conclude...that Rome wrote the Bible to create a movement to conquer the world for it.

If you took a look around...you just might realize that conquest is complete.

Then if you went back to your Bible and understood the first rule in assasinations is to kill the assassin...

Well, Rome appreciates your service...but...

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


I am not helping Rome and the Romans hated and though of Yeshua as a threat thus why they crucified Him. I am helping Christianity today (but I claim no affiliation with any denomination, I simply follow Christ) by partaking in the gift of eternal life and adopting the cross as a symbol that they can't beat us.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
If you took a look around...you just might realize that conquest is complete.

V.A.L.I.S.

It is an awfully short response, I do understand and apologize a priori offense taken, but by rote of law this line will prevent the mods' anger being gifted upon us.

Well check this out

www.breitbart.tv...

ARLINGTON, Va. (AP) - It's like this: When you want a burger, you have to have a burger. In this state of mind, President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden took a short—but wholly noticeable—motorcade ride from the White House to Virginia and pulled into a small, independent burger joint called Ray's Hell Burger.

Ray's HELL burger?

Could they be anymore obvious?

i voted 4 him but Obama is the antichrist, the bible says he will have speech of a dragon(good speech), and he will be liked, and promise change, and he will be a person of high political stature.(the prez of the us)?