UFOs A Serious flaw

Originally cars were box shape , and now we are pushing them to be more aerodynamic as possible , hence making them rounder. It would seem that round or circular is the ideal shape for using anti-gravity and carving through the air nicely. I think the one consistency with all the UFO pictures is this aerodynamic circular disk shape. I believe it's the best way to fly vast distances .

well lessee...
you have, any number of possibilities:

1) earth-based craft
-a) from various human orgs across the planet
-b) from potential alien bases on earth
-c) from potential indigenous reptilians

2) universal craft, from any number of other planets/systems

3) other dimensional craft, if scientifically possible.

4) life forms that can exist in a vacuum and that can fly but are not using technology to do so

5) spiritual entites manifesting in our reality.

i'd say that just about covers it and certainly could account for any number of variations.

[edit on 30-4-2009 by undo]

reply to post by SLAYER69
I've always thought if these ships are us coming back from different times in the future/past then the ships will always be different according the technology in use on the date of time travel. Then there's the shape shifting possibility, many of these craft do seem to morph during sightings which would explain any perceived differences.

These days I just think applying human type logic to UFOs is a waste of time. Our modern wisdom will be turned on its head one day. We see the lights but we don't understand.

Another thing to consider my friend is to think about how long it would take a craft made by life forms on another planet to reach us.

For example - An alien species sends out a team in a space craft they designed. This team strays to different planets before reaching earth.

In the mean time, the same species have evolved on their previous space ship design and create a craft which can travel much faster and take less time to travel greater distances. This would happen some time after sending out the old team which keep the mission going by either long life spans or breeding.

As a result ... Both craft from the same species eventually reach earth at roughly the same period.. with both VERY different craft which both look and preform differently.

It is just a possibilty.

Why such a huge variety?
Wouldn't you expect an Alien race that is hundreds if not thousands of years ahead of us to have come to a single advanced design that they would mass produce knowing that it is a tried and true design? Shouldn't we see this same design being used in 2009 as we saw in 1948.

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Maybe they're like us and just keep gravitating (pun included) to the latest, greatest model.

Different models to "express your individuality".

Hugh variation because maybe there are intergalatic flying craft dealerships and everyone in this quadrant flies in and either trades up or gets a newer model just like we would at the local car dealership every so often.

I suspect there are many similarities between "them" and us.

This is a good point you bring up though, at least if they were all flying only one type of model that would mean a one central "hive" mind with no individuality allowed.

With all the different variations, maybe they are a lot more like us then we realize, individuals.

Wonder if they hang dice or rosaries on their rear view mirrors, or have beanie babies on the back window sill? Maybe a bobbing human or some cheesy earth souvenir?




[edit on 30-4-2009 by ofhumandescent]

Sorry if this has already been posted, but have you ever considered the possibility that all the alien space craft look different because each of them was individually made? And then photographed by the maker or some other person to "prove" that they do, indeed, exist?

First of all hello!

Secondly allow me to add to your thread by embeding a video of the pics you are talking about. (I know there are some fakes there too...)

Thirdly my opinion:

It just might be the case that the utilised technolgy can be implemented irrespective of shape and size. If such then our alien visitors may be commuting in home made custom vehicles that have the same kind of engine.

On the other hand there may be many alien races utilising a multitude of vehicle variations each. I do not see why this could not well be the case.
We do it...

At last some say that there are 7 or 9 alien races around.
Some others mention 11, 51 or even 55 or 63 races....
Funny thing is all speculate on odd numbers.
There are people out there with extensive detail on each and everyone of the alien races in their theories...

Mind i am a skeptic and i cannot be certain if there is a matter of discussing this at all. On the other hand i have seen too much smoke, so i have my self a big door open for becoming a believer which i often tend to.

Conclusion?

Rationality says that they could have an optimum design, but then again it would be all grey and boring.

Farewell

GTG

Think of it as a Rorschach test of UFO's. Even in the same photos, people do not necesarily see the same thing, due to the quality of the photo's which is one reason that most suspected unedited photo evidence is ignored.

The thing I find most interesting is the saucer like shape most people end up seing and describing, what I find interesting is that the first ducumented account of the UFO's simply stated that they were pie plate shaped craft. Saucer was used in a description of how they move not what they looked liked.

Excerpt of his story

"The first thing I noticed was a series of flashes in my eyes as if a mirror was reflecting sunlight at me... I saw the flashes were coming from a series of objects that were traveling incredibly fast. They were silvery and shiny and seemed to be shaped like a pie plate . . . What startled me most at this point was . . . that I could not find any tails on them.
I counted nine of them as they disappeared behind the peak of Mount Rainier. Their speed was apparently so great I decided to clock them. I took out my watch and checked off one minutes and 42 seconds from the time they passed Mount Rainier until they reached the peak of Mount Adams . . . All told the objects remained in view slightly less than two minutes from the time I first noticed them."

Another quote of how he described the way they moved.

"like a saucer would if you skipped it across the water."

Yet most descriptions are of a saucer shape, not a pieplate shape, and yet many diffent types in pictures. Of couse the new object people are seeing are the ORBs, which most stories I have heard is easy to explained once you get the entire story, like location, time of day, weather conditions . . etc.

Wow, this one really gets the imagination going. How about this?

Perhaps the shape of the craft is dependent upon the function requested of it. For example; hovering, slow speeds, landing and disembarking - disc shaped. Darting or ultra-fast maneuvering near other objects and uneven terrain - sphere. Flying in formation - shape? Although this doesn't fit with many witness statements and photos/videos. Just an idea...

Also, I don't know if anyone has put the possibility here on this particular thread (which is always popular in sci-fi) that the ships might be grown or bred like domesticated animals. Although instead of living creatures like we know, a whole type of what we would call 'machine life'? Using different species of self-replicating/repairing machines for different purposes complete with a kind of evolution or some kind. Utilizing 'machine DNA' which could be manipulated to create various types of craft perhaps?

It is disturbing that so many different kinds of UFOs have been photographed in so many shapes and sizes. This not only makes sorting out which are fake or real (I hope some of them are real) quite difficult, but might call into question the very nature of what people have seen and photographed regarding the subject.

Can anybody tell me why a technology that can send a ship across the stars can't keep them in the air once they get here? Seriously, their safety record is worse than any airline in the world.

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I think this is the answer...great point zazzafrazz! Never thought of it this way

Great thread Slayer. You and me are tight on this topic

I've been thinking of things that come in all colors, shapes and sizes.

Since others have already so eloquently responded, I hope a picture = 1,000 words.
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Regards...KK

[edit on 1-5-2009 by kinda kurious]

I nice post Slayer right up my street!

I must agree with Kid Flash and the others on their theory also.
Lets consider all the different drives and power sources they might be using as well.
Also the physical size of an ET race, put all these together and thats why there is so much variation.

Most of the craft are no doubt scout ships and a few drones like Rendlesham Incident.

www.rendlesham-incident.co.uk...

Most of the triangular craft are most likely ours apart from the very large ones.

see my next post



[edit on 30-4-2009 by Bob Down Under]

This story begins on a late summer afternoon in 1989 about four months AFTER the Belgian flyovers of triangle-shaped craft had made international news. Sgt. Stone is standing in a check point tower with other security people and can clearly see guards in the East German tower across the border. An alert comes in that a new Soviet aircraft is coming toward them, low to the ground. Sgt. Stone told me what happened during a recent visit to his Roswell, New Mexico home. Here, with his permission, is an excerpt from that interview. Sgt. Clifford Stone:

"This is what the person reporting -- he has no knowledge -- he is making an assumption here. He's assuming it's Soviet because it's coming in from the Soviet side. And it actually comes over and very carefully glides this way. Well, since we were already involved and could see it was somewhat triangular shaped from a distance and it came in very slowly and turned ?you have a vehicle that is triangular in shape that is probably 4 or 5 stories high, three windows of what appears to be lighted windows or ports or something. Three football fields across on either side. This is no craft that was developed on this earth.

SO IT'S A THOUSAND FEET EQUILATERAL TRIANGLE?

Equilateral. This is huge.

YOU ARE IN THE TOWER OUTSIDE?

Outside. I still have the field glasses I looked at it through.

BUT ARE YOU BEHIND WINDOWS?

No, the tower we're in is open. It took on definite, definite dimension to where you could tell this wasn't any type of conventional airframe of the Soviets or any other country on the face of this earth. When you saw how huge it was, you're immediate impact was a fleeting moment of fear. But then your fear turns to awe because you are seeing something that defies the imagination. You are seeing something that you want the grand tour, you want to go inside and see what this is all about.

WHAT COLOR ARE YOU SEEING?

We are seeing underneath one big, massive light right at the center, circular. And it's red. Then along slightly inside underneath the craft, you have several rows -- I didn't count them, I can't recollect exactly how many -- but you have several rows of flashing lights, multi-colored lights. Every color of the rainbow.

ARE THEY GOING LIKE THIS?

Around like that -- then all of a sudden -- and they go at faster speeds.

SO THE TRIANGLE ITSELF IS BORDERED OR EDGED IN THESE FLASHING DIFFERENT COLORED LIGHTS.

With these flashing different colored lights.

AND THERE IS A GREAT BIG RED LIGHT IN THE MIDDLE?

Right in the middle. At the corner of the triangles inside where the colored lights are, you have like a orange or amber light at each end. And sometimes they would flash white. There was a high background radiation strong enough to kill the people who were within -- half the people involved should have been dead in 24 hours because of the background radiation. Yet, there were no ill effects. There were some people who got sick, but that was more along the lines of fear causing these people to get sick.

AND WERE THESE ALL MILITARY WHO GOT SICK?

Oh, yes! As far as the civilians go the location where we were at -- if any civilians saw it none came out to report it. On the Soviet side, I have no knowledge. Or rather I should say, on the German side, I have no knowledge what happened there.

BUT YOU HAD MILITARY PEOPLE GOING TO A HOSPITAL SICK?

We had military people who came down nauseous. The Aide Personnel took care of them right out there.

STARTED VOMITING?

They got sick and they vomited.

RIGHT THERE?

Right there.

WAS THE CRAFT IN THE SKY ABOVE THEM WHEN THEY STARTED VOMITING?

Not directly over us because you have an area that is a Soviet territory that's between us and them if no one is there. It was a No Man's Zone.

SO THE TRIANGLE IS OVER THE NO MAN'S ZONE?

Well, it was over the Soviet territory. It didn't come into our territory. We scrambled -- we had fighter aircraft scrambled from Ramstein AFB to do an Intercept Identify Friend or Foe (IIFF). And they were doing this, but we could not go into Soviet territory.

Now, I wasn't involved with this, but we were monitoring radio traffic from the Soviet side and I know they were very alarmed at what they were seeing. They also scrambled some Foxbats to do an intercept and those Foxbats were in fact armed. And there was discussion as to them engaging this craft.

DID THEY HAVE PEOPLE VOMITING ON THE RUSSIAN SIDE, TOO?

I don't know.

ONLY OUR SIDE?

On our side, I was there. On the Soviet side, we could tell that they were panicking just like us.

WERE THE MEN WHO WERE VOMITING -- WITHIN WHAT DISTANCE OF THIS?

I would say the closest approach was maybe 200 meters.

IS THAT VERTICAL 600 FEET IN THE AIR OR?

It's at an angle.

AND HOW HIGH DO YOU THINK IT WAS?

Oh, I would say it was probably 400 or 500 feet high. It was low. If it had been higher, it would have been awesome but you wouldn't have a feeling that it was going to land.

YOU HAD THE FEELING IT WAS GOING TO LAND.

We had the feeling that we were about to be confronted. And your hair was standing up on its end.

ELECTROSTATIC?

Yeah. We felt like -- we felt there was something more to this than just being our fears. And anyone who said they weren't afraid isn't telling the truth. I can understand a person trying to deny being there and seeing anything more than I could understand a person saying he saw it and wasn't afraid.

SO THIS IS ABOUT 400 OR 500 FEET UP AND ABOUT AN ANGLE OF 600 FEET AND MEN, YOU YOURSELF INCLUDED IN THE TOWER, ARE ABOUT 600 FEET AWAY FROM IT?

I would say that we were roughly 600 feet from it.

DID YOU FEEL NAUSEOUS?

I didn't get sick. I didn't feel nauseous. I took an Alka Seltzer after that, but I always had problems and the Alka Seltzer made me feel better.

TEMPERATURE. WARM? COLD?

You felt cold. But here again, I think it was more a psychological effect than physical.

COULD YOU FEEL ANY VIBRATIONS OF ANYTHING?

Actually, no. Actually, it was very quiet. And I looked at the guys on my right and the guys on my left and one guy went ahead and on the back of the APCs, the M113s, we had anti-tank missiles and one guy was getting ready to fire one of these at the object. And I went ahead and told him, "Hold on, son. Don't do anything. Don't fire anything. You're not in any danger here. If you do something like that, we may be."

But it was...

WHAT HAPPENED -- DID HE BACK OFF?

Yeah, he went ahead and regained his composure. But all of us were scared. No one ran. We didn't. The Soviets didn't. We held our ground. But we were afraid. You really had this fear. And...

YOU HAD YOUR WEAPONS DRAWN?

Oh, we had our weapons. You could even hear them changing rounds. The Lt. Col. There went ahead and told everyone to check there fire. "Nobody fire!"

AND NOW IT'S UP THERE. EVERYTHING IS SILENT. YOU'RE IN THE TOWER. THEY'RE IN THE TOWER. MEN ARE GETTING SICK. WHAT HAPPENS?

It hangs over there. And this is a unique thing. Our radios didn't go dead. There was a lot of static, but they did not go dead. We could alternate channels on our radios. And we had I think we had 4 or 5 different ones we were using. As long as we alternated between those 4 or 5, we could go ahead and communicate.

We went ahead and requested air support from Ramstein AFB and they scrambled some fighters to be on the ready to intercept if it crosses over into our territory. Because at this stage of the game, it could go any place. And they were going to try to make an identification. And I personally thought there wasn't going to be any identification made. But they went to try to do -- they scrambled the fighters to get them on station where if it crossed over, we could immediately lock on them and make a determination as to whether their intentions were friendly or hostile, but we could also get some gun camera footage. Some of the aircraft came very close to the Fulda Gap -- and sometimes crossing over into it taking some film footage of the craft.

AND IT STAYED STOCK STILL WHILE THE AIRPLANES DID THAT?

It stayed stock still. But after that happened, it started to move. It dipped like this -- this is the front. Here we are -- the triangle is pointing this way and when it got over, it turned very slowly and stopped. Then when the fighters got on station they took photos. Then it turned this way and went off like this. At which time, the Soviet Foxbats hit up on it and gave pursuit and that was the end of the situation.

Everyone was debriefed about what they saw. They had to do drawings. Everyone was told that there is a new Soviet Fighter. That the Soviets were testing a -- MIG 37 -- and it was their answer -- I take that back -- it was a version of a MIG 37 that was a Soviet fighter that they converted into a Soviet bomber and actually it wasn't as big as we were seeing it."

Telling Sgt. Stone and his Army colleagues that the triangle was a Russian Mig and not as big as they saw it with their own eyes is consistent with the official policy of denial outlined in the 1954 SOM1-01 Training Manual. It says in Section I. Security, Paragraph 12. Press Blackout:

"Discredit Witnesses. If at all possible, witnesses will be held incommunicado until the extent of their knowledge and involvement can be determined. Witnesses will be discouraged from talking about what they have seen, and intimidation may be necessary to ensure their cooperation. If witnesses have already contacted the press, it will be necessary to discredit their stories. This can best be done by the assertion that they have either misinterpreted natural events, are the victims of hysteria or hallucinations, or are the perpetrators of hoaxes.

"Deceptive Statements. It may be come necessary to issue false statements to preserve the security of the site. Meteors, downed satellites, weather balloons and military aircraft are all acceptable alternatives, ..."

Sgt. Stone's experience raises several questions: What was the strong radiation detected by the Geiger counter that should have been lethal, but wasn't? Which U. S. government agency has the gun camera film of the enormous triangle-shaped craft while it hovered over the U. S. and East German guard towers that summer of 1989? Was this the same type of craft that flew over Phoenix, Arizona on March 13, 1997? Who is in these triangles? And why are they flying in earth's skies? Sgt. Stone remembers at least three destinations for highly classified reports about the triangle craft: Bolling AFB near Washington, D. C.; Ft. Belvoir, Virginia; and the National Security Agency.

The craft can be any shape but has to be metal.
This is supported by the Tesla centric saucer design.
And good reason for the supplanting of metal for plastic
started in the 1950s along with iron stoves and Tesla coils.
Also my dad had a half sphere of metal for the Tesla
bulb radiant energy patent circuit and some coils.

So any shape or size or weight but the round shape to
cover a big flat round coil and they stopped at that most
of the time.

The rigid air and electron cloud theories must generate a
lot of force anywhere in the sky.

Many great theories and posts here, i'd have to agree with most of them in one way or another. But if you still weary on the subject you have to realize that from our tiny tiny vantage point, attempting to speculate on intricate details on subjects exist far above our earthbound logic will usually end up in more questions.

I'd have little patience trying to explain how my magical portal can peer into endless regions and possibilities at the flick of a finger to my friend from 1100 BC while i try to find something good on tv.

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Awesome story Bob. I'm going to research that one in depth.
Thanks buddy

Originally posted by AEnema
Many great theories and posts here, i'd have to agree with most of them in one way or another. But if you still weary on the subject you have to realize that from our tiny tiny vantage point, attempting to speculate on intricate details on subjects exist far above our earthbound logic will usually end up in more questions.

I'd have little patience trying to explain how my magical portal can peer into endless regions and possibilities at the flick of a finger to my friend from 1100 BC while i try to find something good on tv.

And thats why the story will never end?

Speculation and vaige evidence! may be? I have my own personal evidence and thats all I need.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by Bob Down Under

 

Awesome story Bob. I'm going to research that one in depth.
Thanks buddy

Anytime Slayer I am a wealth on this subject

reply to post by SLAYER69 i was referring to this thread, loki was an after thought on how these ufo's seem to be tantalizing us. i realise loki was a mythical God that was bound up but had offspring. could this somehow be intertwined with how ufo's seem to tease us? open your mind