US declares public health emergency for swine flu

Wow this has now been confirmed as being in New Zealand. It has been upon MSM that there are definitely confirmed cases in NZ . I have had Sky News, BBC News and CNN on for the last few hours and its quite scary how much this is progressing by the hour. I almost dont want to go to bed for fear of seeing very alrming headlines in the morning. I am supposed to travel on Tuesday around Europe with work but i think ill be giving this a miss until all this passes over which i hope it will

I dont know what but i think there will be some very interesting events upon the US/Mexican borders as this thing worsens

I swear, our government is ran by a bunch of morons. How in the hell can they declare an emergency, or even act worried about it and not consider immediate border action?

Come to think of it, an ounce of prevention beats a pound of cure. They should have had our border situation fixed a long time ago.

Gosh, can't wait until they take over our health care and save us all, lol.

Originally posted by Highground
And I may be wrong. I was just speculating, I've never been to Mexico, personally. I just remember some things I've heard from friends that have been there. Thanks for the insight. As I say, I like to be proven wrong, it's a learning experience. Now - I think there's a reason their immune systems would be stronger. I just can't put my finger on it.

The Spanish Flu... Was it from Spain, and was the death toll there considerably larger or smaller than anywhere else? Perhaps they are just more succeptable to certain strains than anyone else because of genetic characteristics.

I just posted this in another thread and it may be relevant

Yes, there are different sections of genes common to different races. And likewise, different proteins or distributions of proteins etc that act as receptors on the surface of some cells.

So in theory if you design a virus that tends only to enter cells with a certain type of protein receptor, then you can target only a certain race.

Now we have a human genome, we'd know what proteins to look for. The only problem would be engineering the virus - in the private sector, we'd be years away from being able to do this as we don't understand the relationship between structure of a virus which we can change (i.e. it's genetic code or genome) and the function of the virus. I.e. - we don;t know which bits of DNA to change to make the thing only target certain proteins.

That's not to say the military hasn't funded private projects for biowarefare which have cracked this. I'd even go as far to say that this might be an area they would be very interested in and have probably looked into.

Basically, I was looking at how viruses could be genetically engineered to target one race only. But it's not unreasonable to think that for the reasons I describe above, a virus could have a natural tendency to attack some people of certain races with more vigour than others.

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Oh, it doesn't concern me either. The circumstances and timing intrigue me, but until I feel lethargic, nauseous, sniffly, and feverish, I'm relatively certain it doesn't concern me.



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Originally posted by Highground
The Spanish Flu... Was it from Spain, and was the death toll there considerably larger or smaller than anywhere else? Perhaps they are just more succeptable to certain strains than anyone else because of genetic characteristics.

No, it was a lack of censorship in Spain at the time that allowed news of the virus to emerge and gave it that name.

science.nationalgeographic.com
In 1918, the final year of the savage trench fighting of World War I, something else began felling the soldiers. No one knows for sure when or where the Spanish flu emerged, though it certainly wasn't in Spain. As a neutral country, Spain had no wartime censorship, and the flu apparently got its false pedigree from news reports about outbreaks there in May 1918. In fact the disease was already spreading on both sides of the European front, laying low entire divisions through the spring and early summer. Then it seemed to subside.

In late summer, though, the Spanish flu returned, and this time its virulence was unmistakable. The sick took to their beds with fever, piercing headache, and joint pain. Many were young adults, exactly the group that normally shrugs off the flu. About 5 percent of the victims died, some in just two or three days, their faces turning a ghastly purple as they essentially suffocated to death. Doctors who opened the chests of the dead were horrified: The lungs, normally light and elastic, were as heavy as waterlogged sponges, clogged with bloody fluid.

Originally posted by Dutty_Rag


Basically, I was looking at how viruses could be genetically engineered to target one race only. But it's not unreasonable to think that for the reasons I describe above, a virus could have a natural tendency to attack some people of certain races with more vigour than others.

i would look in the direction of common foods,witch involve chemicals in those foods,inoculations that are given at birth..Both of these are what ''mixologists'' can work out a drug to intergrate with or without..thats how I would suspect ''They'' could target a particular region or country..

[edit on 26-4-2009 by Redpillblues]

Originally posted by Dutty_Rag
So far I havn't heard of any negro people getting the virus? Nor any asians or whites getting any serious symptoms like the hispanics. This does look very suspicious indeed :-/

I can't think of a reason why. I doubt it has anything to do with race, it probably has more to do with local health care, immunizations throughout their lives, heat, and other factors.

Also, call black people black. When someone says 'negro' it's because they are afraid to say 'black' fearing it is a bad word or something, thereby giving it the negative connotation you were trying to avoid in the first place. Just saying.

Originally posted by fleabit

Originally posted by Dutty_Rag
So far I havn't heard of any negro people getting the virus? Nor any asians or whites getting any serious symptoms like the hispanics. This does look very suspicious indeed :-/

I can't think of a reason why. I doubt it has anything to do with race, it probably has more to do with local health care, immunizations throughout their lives, heat, and other factors.

Also, call black people black. When someone says 'negro' it's because they are afraid to say 'black' fearing it is a bad word or something, thereby giving it the negative connotation you were trying to avoid in the first place. Just saying.

Sorry if that may have caused offence. Negro is just the term we use in our house and always have. I wasn't trying to cause or avoid offence, it's just what we call coloured folk, no implications positive or negative intended...

This is just one more thing that shows we must shut down the boarder and stop the flow of Illegal alians comming from Mexico, I am willing to bet this came across the boarder with an illegal, then infected some one who ended up in an airport.

truth is virus's are more apt to apear in places where people live in filth, was there really any suprise that Aids started in Africa, and I am not suprised some super bug started in Mexico either. Secure boarders is not just about crime, and jobs its also about public health.

Originally posted by Verd_Vhett
This is just one more thing that shows we must shut down the boarder and stop the flow of Illegal alians comming from Mexico, I am willing to bet this came across the boarder with an illegal, then infected some one who ended up in an airport.

truth is virus's are more apt to apear in places where people live in filth, was there really any suprise that Aids started in Africa, and I am not suprised some super bug started in Mexico either. Secure boarders is not just about crime, and jobs its also about public health.

Really want to emphasise as this has been said before and could end up as misinfo...

Mexicans do not live in filth, despite some American perceptions. This started in Mexico City, which is pretty much along the same lines as LA or New York when it comes to sanitation, healthcare, poverty, homelessness etc...

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And as I referenced before they do have a modern medical system as well. But Mexico City is a logical place for this as the population density is high as with any major city.

Hearing all this news and fear spreading,a thought came across my mind.
It is of course,just fiction,and only a movie.
But I couldnt help but think back to this scene.

And its scary to think about this.
Start at the 6 Minute mark of this video.

reply to post by Black_Fox


The thing is if this were a manufactured event there are far more virulent and more easily communicable diseases like Small Pox etc that would have a much greater effect than H1N1.

Smallpox is a far more scary bugger given its communicability and long incubation period.

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I am amazed at the incredible creation of a racist super bug that targets and kills primarily filthy Mexicans.

What is more alarming here, the virus itself or the bigotry it seems to inspire among isolationists?

If you think closing the borders will stop a pandemic you would be a fool, if you think it can only kill Mexicans you would be an even greater fool.



[edit on 26-4-2009 by Walkswithfish]

The cases in the US are mild with no deaths. Could it be that two viruses were let loose. One that kills fast and the other that when you get it prevents you from getting the deadly one? Imagine being vaccinated by someone coughing on you.

This thing is intended to spread and that is why it is appearing all over the world all at once. It's just like what happened in the book "The Stand" by Stephen King. Once let loose it is a monster all it's own.

Precautions the CDC isn't telling you, at least not so much.

1. When a person coughs do not inhale and leave the area.

2. Wash your hands very often.

3. Do not insert your fingers into your nose or mouth or touch your eyes unless you know they are clean.

4. Stay away from events with many people.

They may need all those FEMA coffins after all. Wait..! they issued an alert like if a hurricane is coming. Expect a flu hurricane in less than a week. I hope we all survive it, especially if this is for population control.

Then again it could be just a test.. a dry run.

Originally posted by FredT
reply to post by Black_Fox

 

The thing is if this were a manufactured event there are far more virulent and more easily communicable diseases like Small Pox etc that would have a much greater effect than H1N1.

Smallpox is a far more scary bugger given its communicability and long incubation period.

Yes... but if they only want to trim down the world population it works nicely...

Originally posted by Black_Fox
Hearing all this news and fear spreading,a thought came across my mind.
It is of course,just fiction,and only a movie.
But I couldnt help but think back to this scene.

And its scary to think about this.
Start at the 6 Minute mark of this video.

That's one great movie, "V". If you aren't already freaked out enough it's worth a look. The acting is quite good and the lead charachter is convincing.


Just thinking here..........What if this strain of flu lasts until the next main flu season starts. The outbreak might be overwhelming.

For really heavily contaminated areas that would be beyond rescue (God forgive me for this), I suppose the MOAB is available.

Originally posted by FredT


Given the reports of outbreaks in NYC now and 5 states total im not surprised. However, I strongly believe that the US should restrict border crossings as the panic spreads in mexico and people start moving north.

Also HLS has released 12 million doses of Tamiflu from its stockpiles to the 5 states with cases. Hang onto your hats its going to be interesting

news.yahoo.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

If you get a shot of this crap - you may live, but your brain probably wont.

Elderberry extract is a powerful anti-viral - get some - clinical trails show it halves duration and severity of flu like viruses.

reply to post by FredT


Today's cdc 3pm update was very interesting. Some highlights worth noting:

1. they have 2 complete gene sequences on the H1N1 new strain, and fragments from others; all closely resemble each other.

2. New vaccines based on the new virus take WEEKS to bring to the clinic....therefore "avoid getting sick until then." (there is a twist to this though, immune system wise)

3. The virus is a novel reassortment of 4 different flu strains: American avian flu, swine flu, american human flu, and Asian human flu. Dr. Cox mentioned this several times in an interesting way to my physician ear...

See what you think here: www.cdc.gov...

N95 respiratory masks work nicely, so does purell, and for now Tamiflu.

However, even though this is a mild flu now, I don't think I'll be going in to work at the hospital if this bug turns pandemic and there is a gene shift to Tamiflu resistance!!!

I've followed ATS for several years and have never before felt like I had anything to contribute, but I made an account to provide an update regarding this epidemiological disaster.

My sister is a volunteer American doctor working in León, Guanajuato. She has personally seen over 100 patients in the last 3 days exhibiting flu symptoms. She estimated that the clinic she works at has seen over 400 patients. This is about 20 times the number of flu patients they would typically see in a similiar period. They are rationing antivirals to children and elderly and providing surgical masks to the families of those infected. She can confirm 7 flu related deaths. The only good news is that there is very little panic and the population is complying very well with the hygiene and public safety orders.

The "official" mexican report of the number of infections account for 0 in Leon. Draw your own conclusions, but this seems to already be epidemic and HIGHLY contagious. Remember there is a 4-7 day incubation period, and a disease thats doubling in population every 48-72 hours.

Good luck.