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reply to post by Rubicant13


gee i sure hope you mean no harm ::rolleyes;: funny statement...

well, i was just counting and i believe i now know at least five other abductees who are for sure christian; the others have a more 'open'(but very nice)view of the world and how to behave, so that's okay; cause some abductees get real real dark..i have seen it, can't blame em..hard to stay sane sometimes, and being a christian, naturally the concept of 'exorcising' them comes up and, when it doesn't work obviously, it causes much angst..

but you asked if there was a support group; i so wish..and so what i did when i started the website in may was to create a forum for it. along those lines. at this point, it is just a few folks from other lines who are looking for the same thing...what is pretty cool is, tho is that ALL on there are either experiencers or believers..i mean, i figured if i was going to do this right, i could maybe offer a 'haven' where the ones who would ridicule would be tossed. i mean, i know ats is a real good forum; lots of fantastic info here ::thumbs:: but who can monitor that closely and besides most serious forums want the 'skeptical' aspect there. which is fine, too, but sometimes an experiencer just wants to 'exhale' and be among like minded people

if anyone is interested, you can just go to the site in my signature; there are links there. this issue in on abductions..not much, just a start with some grass-root people who also would like to see something of this nature out there..

reply to post by julia53


I was only referring to the using jesus name part. It's why I mentioned that I meant no harm. I do not want to step on anyone's spirituality. And that I know many abductions are not pleasant.

reply to post by n120by60w



''You are why I started this forum julia53.

From my Grand Mother to her Grand Son me.
From my Mother to her Son me.
From Dad me to my Daughers.
This knowledge in previous generations was shunned considered only mental health issues.

I think we are better off knowing.
I think we are hanging together.
As abductee's we can not grow in the dark as mushrooms.
We are doomed to repeat the same mistakes that others have made by our silence.
We remain easy pick-in's for our antagonists.

I started developing a tool to help in getting ahead of these creatures & those assisting them.
I was about to turn one over to Mufon when I realized that they already had it.
Some of their founders were listed on materials that were required to prove the matter.
Unclassified Maps from USGS and Air Force Weapons Labs had names that were very early members of Mufon.

An abductee could do anything that was un-thought of?
Mufon's response to the new tool was disdain.
I dropped it.

Decades later I was able to subvert my abduction experiences in a way that allowed me to interact and take action.

I came to the realization that our government if not compensate is at best trying to cover up these events.

I feel that without our Governments acknowledgement of these events we will continue to butt up against a brick wall.

If one person can break UFO physical equipment.
If one person can developed unquestionable ways to isolate and locate prior events.
All with hundreds not thousands of dollars
Then how much would be needed to get ahead of them.
The tools are attainable.
With major funding in place in months?
But if I had to guess. They are already in place.

But what would we do with them once we have them cornered.
Me? There is one that has a kick to the privets coming from me.
Another I would like to sit down and have a beer with.

Knowing that I have been able to go from unknowing and unable to even speak.
To being able to interact and at least complain.
Knowing that I have been allowed to simply speak about these events here at ATS.
I think of this as progress.

This is no longer the 1950's.

The flashback's subside over time.
Some of my medical issues remain, I can function although..
I owe Mufon for being simply able to cope.
Over time it is getting better, ''

that was nice of you, since you don't even know me lol

kidding, i know what you meant...but i wondered if you could answer the question about the "enlightenment' thing? i am leery of the 'new age' when if comes to abduction so i just want to clarify...

as for good ol' mufon, well, they are so compromised now, it is sad sad; i have dealt with them too, and it is almost unbelievable...but that is another thread. anyway, i am not surprised that they didn't want to know any 'techniques' in stopping this madness; then they would be outta business and how could jacobs get any more patients? most of the good people have left and are now doing 'investiagting' on their own or with several others..glad they did help you, tho; they helped me a bit in the beginning, too, but in the long run they are not a support system, that's for sure.

interesting about you developing a 'tool'; would you be willing to share that here? i also want to throw this out to the abductees who are not all happy when the lights stream through their windows ::rolleyes:: uh, are you guys all well, 'electric' is the easiest way to describe it? you know, the lights, the appliances, sometimes the computer and phone...mine is pretty strong; others have seen it, right(which is creepy in itself).

so...i wondered if you all were kinda like that, what do you guys think of 'harnessing' this energy somehow? i have no idea how to do that, but what if a bunch of us, say, all did it at once? i know that when i am upset i have to stay away from the lights, etc...i don't know, it is a thought, just thought i would throw it out there

reply to post by julia53


i dont know what happened to end the visitations i went through, and even worse, i do not remember what happened during, only before and after...i never sought psychological help, i was just relieved to not have to deal with it, as if i grew out of it...

now i could be fooling myself and they could still be playing games with me, or could instead have been put under protection from someone who did not like what "they" were doing to me...

i do know this..."they" do not like what i have to say...it makes them very angry and fearful...exposure is never liked by those exposed for their sinister deeds...

anyway, as far as abilities? i have been told i have passed through solid objects, like walls, poles, and even levitated, but i was not aware of anything odd happening...i did not realized i had done these things...friends would joke and say i was a Jedi...or something...i can read some peoples thoughts, i can also communicate without words to animals...some listen, but some are too noisy to listen...most that do listen are dogs...have not tried dolphins yet...have had one encounter with a cat (large jungle type cat), it was a jaguar...smiled at me and walked on...as if in recognition and then greeting...

i once dated a girl into the paranormal, and she said she could see my aura...for a time it was very dark, (many years ago) she used to try and clean it for me, and tried to get me to clean it also, but it was just a time i had to go through is all...my energy was depleted... but now it is blindingly bright...i dont think i have ever influenced any appliances or light bulbs though...

i think it would be neat to see how many people it took to merge their thoughts and extend their energy to a light bulb and make it burst though...that would really be something...

not everyone exhibits the same traits though... not sure what would happen...

No intention of going off topic here but the company lends itself to this data,please consider the Milk Hill ?crop circle that was deciphered by a man and the message was a design for a j-shaped underground shelter that was Tsunami proof.It is an easy way for people with limited to no resources to build a survival shelter that could defeat a global inundation of water,temporarily--long enough for the waves to subside and drain back into basins.All you need is KNOWLEDGE,muscle,shovels,buckets,and some lumber.And of course a high altitude spot to dig into.

The special interests and paths we all are chooseing to pursue and manifest must include this component,we all must cumulatively posess knowledge of a solution to a core value problem we have all been exposed to,that of a global catastrophe involveing a temporary rotational reversal of the earths spin--resulting in a global inundation of salt water,wipeing out coastlines and comeing inland.Possibly continents dropping and riseing as well .As long as we read or hear of the answer we are prepared to solve the problem in our lifetimes if need be and also pass on the story to our kids if need be,the awareness.

This is NOT a typical underground bunker,those will mostly be breached by water,drowning the occupants.The design when studied and considered should set off a natural chain of questions and realisations in your human mind.This is not a complicated thing to do,we can all do it,it rises above economic boundaries and allows everyone a shot at survival if need be.I am not saying i was given this special message to relay to people,I am just shareing some data that sent me into a fuge state of realisation on a personal level,the truth rang true,in the sense that there was an immediate question of motivation and personal or group gain for the data provider,as I was unable to sniff out any negativity or selfish dynamic in the data itself or in the context through which it was provided I was left with a new weapon in the battle for survival we all share.A way for EveryMan to survive if need be,a way to remove the economic factor from the survival quotient,a simpe hole in the ground supported by lumber,but ingenious in its design,form and function.And as most of you will likely feel---oddly related in every way to one of our potential immediate futures as per the data stream we all share.To me a finite solution to a finite problem existing within an infinite number of possibilitys.

On another note,does anyone remember any smells from their events,personal smells,individual smells,the scent of another life form,breath,sweat,anything???Or tastes?The taste of the air?or maybe something they were given by force or coersion?How about heat?Heat from lights or instruments?Or heat from a touch?Or cold for that matter??

Does anyone remember if they were woken from their anesthetic trance or whatever by a physical sensation like pain or touch sensations?or were you woken by a mental or emotional catalyst or reasoning??Was your awakening reactionary to an external or an internal influence??

No one can go anywhere anytime they chose in this dimension,we have weather and magnetic anomalies that make this impossible to do without specific risks and dangers being initiated,some lethal.There are areas where it is not convienient to come get you,kind of like the briar patch to Mr.Rabbit,there are defined travell paths that these craft utilise,we can identify these and extrapolate safer areas where these craft choose of their own free will to not travel for reasons beyond our grasp at the moment..We are not defensless of unable to dictate our own futures.we are empowered by each other and our ability to exchange and implement data at essentially light speed.We work together faster than most species,we can communicate via emotional context,we have an extra gear so to speak and it allows us to think in another dimension through our emotional capabilitys.we can compress expression and context into emotional data and this makes the data itself land on the short end of the fractal universal scale.

These craft are inter-dimensional,but dont let the wording fool you ,the word dimension is a mindtrap if you arent careful,its like saying inter-dimensional lifeform---it freaks you out to even hear it said that way.Dimensions are just simple states of matter,like air -water-dirt-space-ect,now just imagine them layered like a cake with a tiny thin layer of bright white whipped cream between every layer--now imagine cutting a cake like that in half,picture the knife sliceing down through the first layer then hitting the whipped cream and pushing the whipped cream into and through the next layer of cake as if it were a lubricant of sorts.,now see the effect as all four layers are finally parted temporarily before they fall together and are now seperated by a VERTICLE line of whipped cream,instead of the horizontal lines of whipped cream we saw to start with---now understand that between our states of real matter there is a layer of "whipped cream'that we can use to lubricate our way through each and all dimensions--this area exists between all dimensions,it is a "neutral dimensional field" and it is a natural occurance,these craft artificially produce this naturally occuring "neutral dimensional field"and they are subject to whatever environmental conditions exist whenever that Neutral Dimensional field is interrupted or shut off,and it is an IMMEDIATE effcet because they literally materialise into our dimensional matter or state physically.You just just learned dimensional quantum physics in a nutshell.there is a ship on the moon that was shot down and is made of stone,do you understand why now??A stone ship would give you the ultimate protection when you materialise into another dimensional matter state,and it matters not the weight or material the craft is made or constructed of as long as the neutral dimensional field is maintained and directed the ships weight is zero.

Would you travel at 10000 mph in essentially an aluminum can considering what happens when you lose field continuity??if you said no,think again,I myself used to fly to work in small prop planes with structures of aluminum and material so thin my car door was ten times more solid and sound,we literally flew in aluminum cans with barely any structural integrity,with the exact same result of an interdimensional abboration when we hit the ground after loseing power of flight,same natural consequence applying all the same natural dimensional laws.

Think of what a seagull can do to a jet fighter or an airliner if it is in the wrong spot??Think of the forces we artificially create that are disassembled in a domino fashion chain reaction when the birds body stops the engines from working or compromises cabin pressure after comeing through the wind sheild??

We are not defenseless or powerless,and technology isnt always the most effective solution to a problem,think of useing the least to achieve the most,then look to nature for that shortcut,because it surely exists.

Now that we all know what an "neutral dimensional field"is and that it exists naturally but can be artificially induced,we have a clearly defined starting point to discover where our slingshot can effectively take down an f-18.Put it this way,strange as it may sound,I knew a grandson of the woman who killed the world record Grizzley bear,she shot it dead with a .22 single shot rifle,she had been hunting squirrels at the time,this is like takeing out an F-18 with a slingshot,or an inter-dimensional craft with a musket.It is entirely doable and possible and repeatable,the dynamics can be reliably duplicated.

We need to consider and compensate for the state of matter we engage in and how it interacts with the natural neutral dimensional field on both sides of matter in which we encounter these craft when we consider controlling their acess to our planet and our families.Just remember the name Goliath because we are likely going to be useing the equivilant of slings and stones to get this job done.As a matter of fact maybe exactly that??we have a tactical advantage in our dimension and much tactical data in the facts related to how they build their ships considering our new understanding of "neutral dimensional fields"and the effects of craft houseing the generators when the field is materialised into another state of matter.Why use the materials we see and not stone as the moon ship used??There are many such questions that can be asked with this starting point.

And remember that this is all old stuff to our governments or whoever controls the data on this technology and these people.

Fact is people could probably build effective weapons in their back yards considering the tech available and the new knowledge of how the craft are operateing.

Think bird in the engine.


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Originally posted by studythem1
reply to post by julia53

 

i dont know what happened to end the visitations i went through, and even worse, i do not remember what happened during, only before and after...i never sought psychological help, i was just relieved to not have to deal with it, as if i grew out of it...

now i could be fooling myself and they could still be playing games with me, or could instead have been put under protection from someone who did not like what "they" were doing to me...

i do know this..."they" do not like what i have to say...it makes them very angry and fearful...exposure is never liked by those exposed for their sinister deeds...

...have had one encounter with a cat (large jungle type cat), it was a jaguar...smiled at me and walked on...as if in recognition and then greeting...


not everyone exhibits the same traits though... not sure what would happen...

My abductions have had a lull of at least 3-5 years.
If anything I feel protected.

Hmmm Jaguar......

Well that leads me into something that I have used for a queue to pay attention that something
important is about to happen.

I have had

5' long large red Fox with a 4' long Raccoon tale. Something from Africa.
Snow Owls.
Morning Doves.

At the time all these creatures were out of place.
Or in an area that you would not suspect too encounter them.
I was downtown in down town in the city in one instance.

I had read the Celestine prophecy and started paying attention and it seamed to prove helpful to me.
It was a tool that I used to get ahead of my abductors.
They were a sign from god so to say.

When I payed attention I was able to use the tools that I had developed to break the memory and absence from self type blocks that they commonly used..

Although... A black Jaguar was seen by me and my wife here in South West Michigan.
The event left me stopped in the middle of the highway in my car.
Not beliveing what I had just seen.
OMG did you see that was all I could say.

Its body was black and 9 feet or so.
Its tail was longer than its body.
A stater police pot hunter hunter helicopter with infrared camera's chased it for 30 miles before loosing it.
It proceeded my most eventful family abduction.

My abductions have had a lull of at least 3-5 years.
If anything I feel protected.

Hmmm Jaguar......

Well that leads me into something that I have used for a queue to pay attention that something
important is about to happen.

I have had

5' long large red Fox with a 4' long Raccoon tale. Something from Africa.
Snow Owls.
Morning Doves.

At the time all these creatures were out of place.
Or in an area that you would not suspect too encounter them.
I was downtown in down town in the city in one instance.

I had read the Celestine prophecy and started paying attention and it seamed to prove helpful to me.
It was a tool that I used to get ahead of my abductors.
They were a sign from god so to say.

When I payed attention I was able to use the tools that I had developed to break the memory and absence from self type blocks that they commonly used..

Although... A black Jaguar was seen by me and my wife here in South West Michigan.
The event left me stopped in the middle of the highway in my car.
Not beliveing what I had just seen.
OMG did you see that was all I could say.

Its body was black and 9 feet or so.
Its tail was longer than its body.
A stater police pot hunter hunter helicopter with infrared camera's chased it for 30 miles before loosing it.
It proceeded my most eventful family abduction.





who do you think you are being protected by??

cats, especially big ones, are extremely attuned; could be it was warning you...

could have been a 'spirit cat' of course; as far as my research goes, however, i do not find that they are some sort of 'familiar' to the visitors like the dogs are; in fact, the opposite...like i said, a talisman, omen, almost of what was coming down the pike maybe???

One question in regards to the telepathy. Were they running a 2 way channel or was it a 1 way radio type transmission? People have psychological abilities that are literally unheard of and if a 2 way path is open you can screw with their minds to the point of driving them crazy. All it takes is for you to feel helpless past the breaking point. It acts as a catalyst. I wouldnt be surprised for them to be afraid if they make someone go unstable while they do a so called vulcan mind meld of sorts.

In any case, interesting thread. Thank you for sharing.

Originally posted by sioux
It wasn't even a human baby. It was very tiny and had smooth round features and was blueish. Like a light blue color. It had it's eyes closed and what the closest thing I can describe is that it looked like a dolphin without the snout.

I saw someone like this last night. Was in one of those weird dreams that I always consider screen dreams. As you said in your post about how your brain tries to deal with it as best it can, sometimes I have very clear, exact memories, but mostly the memories get twisted to fit more acceptable scenarios. eg having a memory of seeing a bald doctor performing a procedure in a clinic, rather than a grey doing whatever in a base/craft.
Anyway, to cut a long story short, and also bearing in mind it could've been a dream, I saw someone like that. I've had experiences before where I've had to spend time playing with the hybrid kids (in that pool for instance), but this is the first time with a blue child. About a foot tall and reminded me sort of like a tortoise out of it's shell but with smooth, rubbery skin. Nice person, don't know age but reminded me of a three year old. Was called something like Hak. Talked quite a bit but short sentences. "Hak likes football" as I rolled a ball(soccer ball) to him and he kicked it back.
When I awoke I reckoned probably a screen memory of hybrids (even though they would probably appear as normal kids in memory) or weird dream. However, having just read your post I'm not so sure now, and thought you might find this interesting.

something that does work, to prevent further interference from these sneaky abductors, is to be determined that they are not welcome... get angry, defend your turf, let it well up inside you like a blinding light, and this throws them off...it does work if you really believe...like denying vampires access to your home in popular culture...they have to obey...

they also hate smoke, like any bug, so incense, and cigars can help keep them away (mwahahahaha!!!) if you have a wood stove, or fireplace start a fire in it...the smokey smell is a huge deterrent...i think native americans smoked the peace pipe in many cases partially to keep what they called evil spirits away...no wonder they want to taint/poison tobacco in the industry in order to kill people off that use it for smoke...

a few nights ago, every time i would doze off, the crickets would go silent and i would hear this clicking language outside the window, but i would get up, get angry and pace the house like i was looking for one of the little buggers to strangle, i also lit some incense too for good measure...and they eventually gave up and left...i knew they were gone when the crickets started up and a few moments later a helicopter flew past overhead...

the power of the human spirit scares them...dont underestimate your own power...

Originally posted by buggy166
One question in regards to the telepathy. Were they running a 2 way channel or was it a 1 way radio type transmission? People have psychological abilities that are literally unheard of and if a 2 way path is open you can screw with their minds to the point of driving them crazy. All it takes is for you to feel helpless past the breaking point. It acts as a catalyst. I wouldn't be surprised for them to be afraid if they make someone go unstable while they do a so called Vulcan mind meld of sorts.

Interesting thought buggy166.

I have seen that some of the bad players that I dealt with.
Using our experiences like a drug.

By sharing our emotion's along with the person with the person that he was messing with.
I think of them a pirates or junky's.
Shooting up with our emotion's rather than a drug.

Observing a couple of these experience's are what first allowed me to become aware that I could interact.
I used the time that they were all but stoning out to manipulate one of there machines.
I realized that it was the machine that they were using was the purpose of what ever they were doing.
I used the time to hone my skill at fighting back mentally.

These so called pirates where all but hunted by the console (Group) of creatures that I later dealt with.
They seamed to be tear ass'ing around cleaning up the mess made by the pirates creatures.
I have spoken about them before in this thread.

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abductees are advised to check for alien implants. There is a doctor that removes (and analyzes) them. For more info:

Sid Roth / LA Marzulli - listen starting at 2:30-3:00 minute timeframe

Originally posted by studythem1
something that does work, to prevent further interference from these sneaky abductors, is to be determined that they are not welcome... get angry, defend your turf, let it well up inside you like a blinding light, and this throws them off...it does work if you really believe...like denying vampires access to your home in popular culture...they have to obey...

they also hate smoke, like any bug, so incense, and cigars can help keep them away (mwahahahaha!!!) if you have a wood stove, or fireplace start a fire in it...the smokey smell is a huge deterrent...i think native americans smoked the peace pipe in many cases partially to keep what they called evil spirits away...no wonder they want to taint/poison tobacco in the industry in order to kill people off that use it for smoke...

a few nights ago, every time i would doze off, the crickets would go silent and i would hear this clicking language outside the window, but i would get up, get angry and pace the house like i was looking for one of the little buggers to strangle, i also lit some incense too for good measure...and they eventually gave up and left...i knew they were gone when the crickets started up and a few moments later a helicopter flew past overhead...

the power of the human spirit scares them...dont underestimate your own power...

well, i hope for your sake that they really did leave..but how do you know??you have read about the 'screen imagery' they employ, yes?

remember to, if they knock you out, your 'power' is somewhat 'diminished'..::rolleyes::

i am, not saying that there is no way to fight em; i absolutely think there is..but we need to be careful and not assume we are winning until we know that we are...

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Sure just look up some abductees and borrow their last names and then just dangle yourself out in cyberspace until someone comes to find you,problem is you might not like who it is,you could get hurt,taken,killed or worse,or nothing may happen at all,why not take up skydiveing or something rational.

They do say abductions run in familys right,??

And then maybe you just need to go sit out in an exposed area where there are the most sightings,that might work.

It seems like most UFO researchers who are serious have visits with new friends,why not write a couple of books,what with the "real evidence"conendrum you could make it up as you go and become famous right??

My advice is that if you are in any way religous to go home right now and kneel beside your bed and pray that your family or you yourself NEVER get abducted,and if it ever happens throw every tiny mite of your energy into a huge scream of faith in your god and his strength inside of you and let er rip,they will be affected if you believe and you use all of your emotion,anger ,passion,belief,as long as its an emotion,but once you have their attention only you know what will happen because you control your own destiny so you are equipped to fight for yourself,you just need to give it everything and appeal for the greater power inside of you to step forward and assist.

reply to post by julia53

true, but the screen imagery just has something fake about it...like the matrix...maybe manifest in a repetition of something, or an object out of place, its almost too clean or surreal, so if it was a screen, then something about my house would have been out of place, and noticeably...it would not have looked as lived in...screen imagery is not exactly like reality, but in their attempt to make it perfect, they forget the truly realistic details, like ashes on the floor from a cigarette, or random things like a tissue behind the toilette...screen imagery is more plastic...reality is more complex, and impossible to truly duplicate, even in our dreams things never are as real as they seem, something is always out of place, or not quite gritty enough, no matter how realistic it seems...all they do in screen imagery is replicate a dream in your mind and make it seem real...they trap you between that state of dream and awareness, putting a substitute in place, but it doesn't pass the authenticity test for true realism...its about like a video game, even with great graphics, its still not real...

...and you have to be "locked on" to in order for it to work...i know its a mental lock, but they still have to make the link in order for it to work...i think what made me aware is that i was in between the sleep and awake state when i heard them, that made me wake up completely before they could get in and get a lock...

i waited for hours and could not think about sleep until after the sun came up...and then i was up all day after that...so you could say i was on heightened alert...

if it was a screen image for all those hours, then someone at work would have told me i missed time at work...and my pay would have been docked, not to mention the butt chewing...

Still hoping to get contacted...

Originally posted by studythem1
reply to post by julia53

 

true, but the screen imagery just has something fake about it...like the matrix...maybe manifest in a repetition of something, or an object out of place, its almost too clean or surreal, so if it was a screen, then something about my house would have been out of place, and noticeably...it would not have looked as lived in...screen imagery is not exactly like reality, but in their attempt to make it perfect, they forget the truly realistic details, like ashes on the floor from a cigarette, or random things like a tissue behind the toilette...screen imagery is more plastic...reality is more complex, and impossible to truly duplicate, even in our dreams things never are as real as they seem, something is always out of place, or not quite gritty enough, no matter how realistic it seems...all they do in screen imagery is replicate a dream in your mind and make it seem real...they trap you between that state of dream and awareness, putting a substitute in place, but it doesn't pass the authenticity test for true realism...its about like a video game, even with great graphics, its still not real...

...and you have to be "locked on" to in order for it to work...i know its a mental lock, but they still have to make the link in order for it to work...i think what made me aware is that i was in between the sleep and awake state when i heard them, that made me wake up completely before they could get in and get a lock...

i waited for hours and could not think about sleep until after the sun came up...and then i was up all day after that...so you could say i was on heightened alert...

if it was a screen image for all those hours, then someone at work would have told me i missed time at work...and my pay would have been docked, not to mention the butt chewing...

i cannot argue with any part of your post(uh oh how boring, right lol); and i too, have done the 'all night vigil' and then been exhausted(but happier)the next day..

and you are right, the screen memories are indeed, 'plastic'..but consider someone who does not even believe that these things exist..those are the ones who think that they were visited by some sort of 'glowing being' and even will akin it to Jesus...and then, let's not forget the folks who are lot a like me...those who have been probably 'tagged' early on and who, with a word, a sound, can go 'under'...i mean, i hate the mornings sometimes, cause i never know i really hate the mornings when the granddaughter says something about the 'nasty boys'..almost always i cannot remember.

later, of course, sometimes i will have the 'flashes' that we all are accustomed to..i pay big attention to those always.

i think, i HOPE that a couple of times i have thwarted them; my dog is helpful but not always(but he is a good dog..i am sure he tries his best). the bottom line is, to be honest and truthful and as real as i can be about this phenomena, i have to say that for the most part? i just don't know when they come...sometimes i THINK i know...but how many times have they come when i was suddenly 'exhausted' for no apparent reason??

it makes sleeping, which should be a big rejuvenation time a big pain in the ass..i do all kinds of things to 'prevent' and too many nights i wind up still awake way past the witching hour...

reply to post by julia53


i think its important to sleep, and interruptions like this can wear you down, but i guess that is the price for finding a way to defeat them...

reply to post by julia53


MUFON- Clifford Clint has helped me, and I am thankful!! I am thankful we are allowed to come on this thread and give accounts of incidents that we have had. Its so bad here in NC,,just mention being taken by Aliens..and they will lock you up in a mental ward. I took off looking for the Indians in Cherokee, NC and only saw about 3 Indians the time I spent there. Nothing but white people have taken over the reservation!! Try asking where you can find a Shaman..and who ever will look at you like...what the heck is that!! Lesson Learned..whatever answers I was looking for up there...I give up looking..things were worse on the reservation than here.

I just went through 2 weeks of beyond hell!! If the Aliens are coming..I hope they show up everywhere...

Back to work work and sleep sleep..like a robot

Originally posted by Apollo7
reply to post by julia53

 

Lesson Learned..whatever answers I was looking for up there...I give up looking..things were worse on the reservation than here.

I just went through 2 weeks of beyond hell!! If the Aliens are coming..I hope they show up everywhere...

Back to work work and sleep sleep..like a robot

Apollo when I finally gave up is when I starting growing.
Take a breath and find a moment to enjoy every moment.

I stood knee deep in wet grass.
Soaked to the bone.
I had worked for days on end with no brakes.
We were working 12 hour plus days.
I was driving 45 miles one way to work in top of the work hours.

I was looking with all my effort to find truths and proof of the abductions that were happening to me.
All my being was spent in the effort.

Then I went limp.
Became water so to say.
I started just observing.
I started taking note of things that seamed quite out of place,

I found that most could be explained.

But ---

A percentage could not.

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I stood there in the pouring rain fixing a nearby telephone pedestal.
When i opened it i had the sense that - "This is it."
It was confirmed with I lifted the cover to find my assigned pair open for 1/4 inch.
But due to the clouds and the torrent of rain,
The enclosure was dark enough that i could literally see it arching across the gap in the wire bright blue white.

I knew i would be shocked to cut it off with my soaked boots on.
I resigned myself to my fate - I grabbed it cut it.
My arm took the brunt of the shock cramping from the 300 volt carrier .
I soon had the customer spliced and back in service.
I called them from my cell phone standing in the tall grass in the pouring rain.

The rain then finally breached the last dry thing that was left on me.
My rear end.
It had soaked threw the last dry part of my 3 layers of clothing.
My arms were coated in wire isolation gel. We call it icky pick.(Vasoline like)

I just stood there.
Thinking it could not get any worse.
I looked up to see the rain being slowly replaced by snow flakes.

That was the last straw.
I broke.

After a tirade of cuss words.
I stood there exhausted, wet and cramping, hurting every where.

Then it hit me.
I was distracted by my circumstances.

What was good about where I was right now.
I stood there looking at the woods that surrounded me.
I thought.
Eha - Pretty.... Hmm what else am I missing?

I started to take a step towards the road.
I froze mid stride.

I was about to step on a baby deer (Fawn) curdled in the grass just below my foot.

I had parked my Van and set the flasher,
I had placed my road cones talking loudly to my self the entire time.
I had flushed around looking for the pedestal.
I had fixed my customer problem.
I had called my customer on my Cell phone.
Then I had stood there grumbling at the Rain/ Snow /Sleet.
Never even noticing what was right at my feet.

That's a point in my life that I learned to be quiet.
To take 15 second pauses.
To take note what is really going on around me.

That quiet allowed me to find my answers.
To find my real questions.
Ones that could be answered.
If I paid attention..

The white trees that I talked about.

The animals that were out of place.

The odd pause in someones speech that allowed me to avoid catastrophic events.

The road sigh that was blocking my view.

If I had not paused to see what I was trying so hard to find I would have missed them all.
My answers many times were not what I wanted to find but were the truth however.

Water flows around stones, trees, obstacle's.
The obstacles maybe there to give us time to notice something.
Or just pause us so we will be in the right place at the right time later.
It might just give us the time we need to gather our thoughts.

Enough water although can move any obstacle.
Mount Saint Helons was blown apart by water.

Well -- Been there done that....
I hope you are able to define what you need.
So you can ask for it....

Take your time & pick your fights.
If you voice them here maybe we all can help you find your path.

Remember help others along the way.
My tenders have always grumbled to me about my habit of wakening others.
My you be so gifted.

Strive to be there at the right time.
With the right words to make the path easier for others.
The truth will follow.....

Watcher

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