I was a Gray Alien in past life

About the pirate life, I'll bite. I thought at first the pirate angle was part of the grey mission, which seems could be likely from some accounts. But you were a swashbuckler, Carribean, Port Royal, and all that? I am curious about your ascension you mention, like you may have had some concerns about the life you were living then, some contradictions with regards to your ethics? I assumed some may have seen their role as freedom fighters of a sort, while others were just content seeing their role and mission as pure criminals to take advantage of any opportunities.

My career led me to many locations and environments land, sea, and air. Going below deck, particularly into darkend instrumentation rooms after being above deck in full daylight caused problems and delays while our eyes readjusted. Some tasks required us moving rapidly between those environments quickly and without delay. To deal with this adjustment I began using an eye patch while in the sun and switching eyes as I moved below deck, then after a few moments when the former sun eye readjusted and full visual acuity was needed I could then remove the patch. Though I assume some pirates had lost their vision due to fights and such, was the above example the reason eye patches were worn during hostile boarding? Any other tricks of the trade worth a word or two?

Returning to the ethics angle let me mention that I live in the highlands of Mexico where piratas currently co-exist with the common folk, and less amiably with opportunistic rateros. Many of these piratas, particularly those working against the forces of substance prohibition, see themselves fighting against the forces of injustice, albeit while making a living or even living a high lifestyle. Were there similar feelings among pirates of your time? Was there some justification of living as outlaws that you were promoting freedom either by getting over on heavy taxation or outrageous profiteering? Was there any "good works" done by putting down the faction that were merely criminaly opportunistic profiteers?

Did you get to live the "high life" while in port, fancy clothes, extravagant spending, etc.? And did your ascension you spoke of have to do with personal realization of ethics, or that the lifestyle was just not worth the danger? Or did you mean something else by "ascended"?

Originally posted by lowki

Originally posted by ChaosMagician
why do we even need to be robots?
why can't we just be computers with a conscious to live out virtual realities?

You'd still need to have host-bodies to serve the virtual-realities.

Couldn't there ever be a time when sustaining living things was no longer feasible?...

I'm not sure what you mean.

It's always possible to adapt to new environments,
assuming they happen slow enough,
or your fast enough to keep up with the changes.

If say the sun goes supernova, could hide deep underground,
if the planet is destroyed can find a new one.

If some calamity befalls the universe,
can simply portal to another one.

There are always opportunities for continued growth.

that is why I was asking when will be the time that will literally drive us into that cycle?...seeing as we get some things done because of necessity. Neccesity makes it an entirely different story. So you are saying that since computers can be so thorough and correct and vast with the information they hold, that this is how we would obtain the most knowledge and that is a key to ultimate understanding. What if there is a dimension already like this?

What matters is the here and now.

We can draw experience and improve upon what we see in other worlds or "dimensions".
However to physically use it here, to make it real, we'd have to create it here.

For instance electricity was available in many places,
but before it was created and used by humans,
It was the stuff of fairytales (star-being stories).

Why do we need to compete with greys for territory?
Are you against them all of the sudden now or is it competition not as drastic?

It's the same kind of competition you find in nature.
Species reproduce, and thereby take up more room and resources.

The current Western system which is anti-reproduction and anti-intelligence,
is a serious threat to the continued ability of homo-sapiens maintaining territory.
With the combination of the depopulation agenda, much more room and resources will become available.
Where intelligent and reproducing beings such as grays can dominant.

Diversity is beneficial as it means there is higher likelihood life will continue on this planet.
We could of course have hybrid communities, some humans, some grays, some robots.

Biological homo-sapien host-bodies can't hold all info that is required to replicate a fully functional space-age civilization. however with computer-robots to hold records and keep on task (reproducing tribe) it does become more viable.

Do greys not have their own means of computation?
why can't their surpass ours or are they a future civilization and eventually it does?

Grays as well as many star-being races have such computer databases, frequently storing information in crystals.
However most/all star-being species currently interacting with earth do not use fully autonomous robot host-bodies.

The militaristic Reptilians experimented with robot soldiers, but they eventually turned on them.

These beings, using vast reptilian created robots that resembled giant spiders, ants and wasps destroyed the humans planet in the Pleiades.
...
Robots that were created by the Draconian Empire to conquer worlds, turned on their reptilian creators and a vicious war ensued between them. The robots won that war. The robots then travelled to Andromeda and because they was programmed to destroy all humans by the Empire, they sought to do just that and all organic life too. Galactic Federation crystalline robots, were created and they helped to reprogramme the Empire`s metallic machines of destruction.

starseeds.net...

So clearly it's best to have robots with benevolent intent, such as reproduction, and co-operation with the environment.

The Iargans a standard socialist Galactic Federation (mammalian) planet uses robots exclusively for automation (rails, manufacturing).

"The presidents of the two trusts are a part of the central planning group of the world government. This group attempts to lead the race to the goal of a culture. To begin with, they must, by means of production adjustment, dispense with the law of supply and demand, and thereafter create a situation of unbridled prosperity, so that no one is troubled any more by material things.

As a result this group also stimulates the mental development of the race. Take, for example, the cars and houses. There comes a time when the cultural level has reached a point where these no longer function as status symbols. What then influences the choice of the public? Two things, mainly: comfort and price. Maximum comfort and low production cost can only be achieved with robot automation. And what happens then? Everyone chooses the most efficient car and the most efficient house and so the development proceeds.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

The Orions (hybrids) sometimes use robots for missions.

12.18 Questioner: Are there any Confederation or Orion entities living upon the Earth and operating visibly among us in our society at this time?

Ra: I am Ra. There are no entities of either group walking among you at this time. However, the crusaders of Orion use two types of entities to do their bidding, shall we say. The first type is the thought-form; the second, a kind of robot.

12.19 Questioner: Could you describe the robot?

Ra: I am Ra. The robot may look like any other being. It is a construct.

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So we could become the first planet in this galaxy to have robots host bodies available for incarnation.
Which gives us an advantage over our parents (reptilians, mamilians and biohybrids)

Dr. Neruda: "First of all, the Animus are not coming to annihilate humankind. They're coming to control the genetic library known as earth. Their intention is not completely understood, but it's not to kill our animal populations or the human species. It has more to do with genetic engineering and how their species can be modified to enable it to house a spiritual consciousness. They want unfettered access to our DNA in order to conduct experiments. Beyond this, they want to colonize earth, but for what ultimate purpose we don't know.

wingmakers.com...

Why if we build a computer consciousness and wind up destroying ourselves and the only thing left is the network that have now achieved the means to sustain their own power supplies and this could all happen very fast since technologies moves so fast and everything turns into a computerized world...

Ya, that's what happened last time in the m51 galaxy,
congratulations on tapping into your 11th chakra (galactic), to source that information.

for the following transcript, simply view Lucifer as an individualistic high-density being, and angels as various other high-density beings (that are generally too advanced to incarnate into biological bodies).

"There were some within the angelic realm that believed the Central Race was too controlling of the soul carrier structure. They felt that a structure should be created that would enable angels to incarnate within the reality membrane of earth and other life-bearing planets. They insisted that this would improve these planets and the physical structure of the universe at large. However, the Central Race refused this proposal and a renegade group left to design a soul carrier, independent of the Central Race."

"However, in the case of the soul carrier designed by Lucifer and his followers, this connection was severed both consciously and subconsciously because the structure was not based on DNA, which is strictly controlled by the Central Race. Consequently, it inclined this experimental species toward a very strong survival complex because it feared extinction so deeply, which is the result of feeling complete separation from the unification force. This survival complex created a species that over-compensated its fear of extinction by developing a very powerful group mind.

"The group mind compensated for the loss of connection to the unification force, creating its physical and mental corollary. It was the equivalent of unifying the species as a whole in the physical reality membrane of their planetary system. Thus, the angels that entered this system lost their memory of their angelic natures and became more interested in operating as a single collective, than as individuals.

wingmakers.com...

That's the purpose of the current design for earth being neo-tribal intentional-community and replicating, with understanding of spiritual/natural laws of the universe, there is more opportunity for for individuality and spiritual progress than our m51 cousins, which may come to join in our effort at creating more capable host-bodies.

except for insects and some of them survive, maybe they start using the computers that are left or the computers start communicating with them and they evolve from new radiation and start driving around in cars and stuff until they become very smart and their population rises astronomically and this is why we have "insectoids" maybe they've already seen all that # and it was so weird that they learned how to time travel and came back to tell us these things. Wow... locust, man... that's trippy stuff.

Is that why teachers sometimes call their students "young grasshopper"....haha!

There are some insectoid species, likely you tapped into some of their trends,
however they require higher oxygen levels than available on earth, to my knowledge.

Radiation from nuclear holocausts is known to be a causative factor in creating super-giant insects.
As the Thiaoobans have mentioned:

A group of red ants, each the size of a cow, were rushing from behind the rocks onto the beach. They moved quicker than horses in gallop.

The armed men kept glancing behind, as if to compare the speed at which the people scrambled to safety, with the advance of the ants. Already, the latter were near - too near...

The men faced them bravely as, with only a second’s hesitation, the first beast attacked. We could distinguish the mandibles clearly - each the size of a man’s arm. At first, the creature feigned, enabling the man to strike with his sabre, but he slashed only air. Immediately, the mandibles encircled his waist, severing him cleanly in two. Another pair of ants helped the first to shred him, while the rest launched their assault on the fleeing combatants, gaining rapidly on them - too rapidly...

From the sphere, an electric-blue beam of unbearable intensity shot out, just as the ants were upon the men. The creatures were struck dead, one after the other, with amazing precision and effectiveness. Curls of smoke rose from the burnt flesh of the animals strewn over the ground, their enormous legs convulsing in a last spasm.

The sphere returned to its earlier position above the beach and produced a special tool with which it combed through the carcasses. I could see one of the astronauts seated at her desk, talking into her computer. This prompted me to ask Thao if she was supervising the work being carried out.

‘At the moment, yes, for this work was not originally scheduled. We are taking samples of these creatures, pieces of lung in particular, in order to analyse them. We think that certain types of radiation have produced this mutant form of creature. In fact, ants do not have lungs but the only logical explanation for their sudden gigantism is...’

‘These people are, in a way, the descendants of certain ancestors of people existing still on your planet. In fact, a group of their ancestors peopled a continent on the planet Earth about 250 000 of your Earth years ago. Here, they possessed a civilisation which was very advanced but, having raised enormous political barriers between themselves, they finally destroyed themselves, 150 years ago, with the atom.’

‘Do you mean - a total nuclear war?’

‘Yes, brought about by chain reaction. We come, from time to time, to take samples in order to study the degree of radiation still existing in various regions. Sometimes too, just as a few moments ago, we help them.’

rune.galactic.to...

Mutant corn might prove very beneficial or do we not like that dimension? oh no... the governments going to burn all the corn now.

Monsanto corn is poison.
Studies have found it causes organ damage:
blog.friendseat.com...
Also many countries are banning and burning it:
justmytruth.wordpress.com...

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edit on 22/12/10 by lowki because: neo-tribe intentional-community

it seems you would need robotic machinery that served the computer, like a peripheral... but not of free will in itself...not even of consciousness. All the consciousness could be totally virtual... and that is where most of this consciousness would need to be anyway... to be efficiently stored and backed up. Perhaps a dimension like this already exists and we are a part of it's programming. It's basically just a huge conglomeration of computers and it only needs a very simple biosphere to run, repair and build.
...and what I mean is an adapted environment that could support such things, but no obvious signs of biological life. no organisms except the vast ever expanding computer network and it just continues to grow and grow because of how fast it's data can be made and the realities within could proliferate completely unrestrained.

or... let's say your planet is populated by cavemen and no one has a computer and no one knows how to open portals and then something catastrophic happens and no one saw it coming and everybody died... can you never ever be isolated from the source of all things, all life, all will? maybe not so everyone that just died are still connected somehow and wind up at the nearest dimension where life is possible and it happens to be an okay place but everybody forgets everything.

I'm not sure how you can not know what I mean... if biological life is so readily available and strewn about the universes, then why do we need to over- computerate? To remember? to control the flow of consciousness by multiplying knowledge? to have gain on the odds?
maybe all those things. To make the wheel not look so painful when it seems we have reached a point where we have fallen out of control... like if the very thing we carry around in our bodies that indicates who we are becomes scarce. It could happen.

...I seriously don't think it is happening in the west. I think people seem to be doing a really good job procreating.... to a dangerous extent perhaps. I think it would be stupid for anyone to take the population down drastically. What if a huge war followed that and there was not very many people left to fight? What the population needs to do is stabilize.

#.. I had something else I wanted to say but I have to go.

I will look at it later.

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Ok... now that I have another moment, I agree that what is important is the here and now but looking ahead and looking back is both very important but the here and now being symbolic of the immediate struggle is also important but couldn't the past or future overlap the here and now itself? Rumor has it...

What if certain catastrophes were unavoidable and certain cycles were bound to happen and that a drastic change can't occur because every point or period of progression was balanced with regression, because regression is what frightens us and makes us really want to progress. If we have eliminated a negative cycle then what is there to remind us of the concern? Some cycles can never be broken... or can they?
that takes my mind on a completely different story altogether and just the beginning makes my head throb. I'll have to think about.

but to sum it up, it seems our main reason for wanting robots would be to protect earth from invading robotic Draconians. We don't have to put the consciousness in the robot to do that. We could create something that has a higher capacity for retaining information and do all sorts if things we couldn't do but we can use these things and control these things without them being alive. It seems to me that we would want to concentrate on being able to control our creation so that it doesn't backfire while still using it as an extension of our own consciousness (so long as we, in some form, are still alive) but that if we are going to use it for such purposes, we want them to a)protect us b) not have to worry about them being alive. I personally wouldn't want to house the memory of a computer that is capable of acquiring new information... such as having an imagination because then it would be duplicating into god knows what and it can't learn on it's own without experience. We could certainly use programs about specific systems that the computer could find answers to, not by experience and notation but but by calculation... but computers already do that.

What if, our current reality is comprised of past alternate dimensions and is combined to coexist in this reality or at least destroy itself in a new way this time? You see, this is what I'm thinking... and the wisdom acquired has to be used somehow to affect the overall design.

Things being cyclical, karmic, progressive but from what perspective since everything is constantly in decay...I can wrap my head around that more than these Ra stories. I'm going to read that again because I remember that there was something that didn't add up to me but perhaps I will try to read it again first.

I was this guy in a previous life




To explain: there is a concept of impgrenation, where another spiritual force inhabits your body with you. Basically, i was told astrally that it was my time to die, and so upon dying, my previous vessel - roger from american dad, continued to be inhabited by this other spiritual force. I died, reincarnated, aged mighty quickly, to 25, again, another highly abstruse process to explain, while he met with set mcfalene and got this job.

we still keep in touch.

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Do you harbor resentment about having to start over again while this other spiritual beingness went on to a successful TV series having fame and stardom while you... do not? Sounds like maybe you were fooled once and won't be fooled again. Not a bad lesson to learn. Sorry about your loss, but look what you've gained!

Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
About the pirate life, I'll bite. I thought at first the pirate angle was part of the grey mission, which seems could be likely from some accounts. But you were a swashbuckler, Carribean, Port Royal, and all that?

Caribean yes, for a time.

I used a Cutlass.

Port Royal was hostile to pirates.
we detested ever last one of em with a vengeance,
sworn to tear to pieces any that dare betray their fellow man.

ARrgh black beard you snarky fool, how dare ye sleep with the enemy?
Morgan Spitgraf you deserved every last miserable moment of your wretched intestines.
Gut you like a Pig, rgagh!

It's so hard to express with letters all the barking, neck jerking, teeth barring and snarling that comes along with that.

not sure I met black beard.. probably not.

As for Capn Morgan
I didn't see him except maybe through a spectacle from afar on his ship.
I do seem to remember a raid much like the one on Panama,
even revisited the general area as a Gray in recent life.
During the raid, I was young, and looked up to him in awe,
afterwards the general trend was people rather upset by him.
Things got hostile, and it was clear we weren't wanted.
Used Tortuga for a while and some other ports,
basically to get crew and resupply on occasion.

Most of the time we spent browsing the beaches,
or sailing to yonder land in search of treasure or fair-maidens(faint hope).
Unlike the commercial privateers,
we ate lots of tropical fruit, so had fiber,
Splitting coconuts with a cutlass was good practice for chopping up people.
I remember long round soft fruit, based on pictures seems papaya is the name,

I was a british pirate, dutch merchant-pirate, viking, berzerker, tauri,
I like to live free and am drawn to the water,
I've had fully aquatic host-bodies also.
Dolphins, mermaids, frogmen.

There were a lot of strange molds and mushrooms,
when I was a frog-hominid, living in shallow swamps,
so psychedelic trips often make me sympathize with it,
also when I was a Gaul would bury self in the mud,
and we'd ambush the roman soldiers.
Often braking their limbs and spines,
like twisting their arms off at the sholders,
smashing them head first into their own men,
they were smaller but they had sharp sticks *shrugs*.

I am curious about your ascension you mention, like you may have had some concerns about the life you were living then, some contradictions with regards to your ethics?

like what? lol.

fighting oppression and sharing the wealth.
while experiencing flesh graphics.
direct actions for freedom.

I assumed some may have seen their role as freedom fighters of a sort, while others were just content seeing their role and mission as pure criminals to take advantage of any opportunities.

the only criminals I know of were all wearing uniforms.
typically with plume hats and calling each other fancy names.


Yar they think they can take my land?
well aill shred em to pieces!
got stopped that time,
my crew told me it was suicide,
they had several ships offloading soldiers,
and that we could find some other foraging grounds.
reluctantly I conceded that it was more reasonable to do so.

It's so sad, they were a bunch of sissies.
Berzerkers would never turn down a fight.
oh well, and now their gone. *deep sigh*
my reptilian children *sniffles*

My career led me to many locations and environments land, sea, and air. Going below deck, particularly into darkend instrumentation rooms after being above deck in full daylight caused problems and delays while our eyes readjusted. Some tasks required us moving rapidly between those environments quickly and without delay. To deal with this adjustment I began using an eye patch while in the sun and switching eyes as I moved below deck, then after a few moments when the former sun eye readjusted and full visual acuity was needed I could then remove the patch. Though I assume some pirates had lost their vision due to fights and such, was the above example the reason eye patches were worn during hostile boarding?

exactly.

also can be used for differentiating brain regions,
talking to oneself in a mirror,
also useful for letting half the brain rest,
so can stay awake longer,
like dolphin sleeping.

Any other tricks of the trade worth a word or two?

belt pouch extremely convenient,
can stay on in just about any conditions.

hat also, since it's great for sun protection,
also it acts like an airfoil, so as long as it's angled properly,
will stay on your head even in fairly high winds.

Though if it's stormy out,
usually take it off,
no sun anyhow.

If it's just a drizzle and the winds are light, or you're on the hard
then it's great rain protection as well.

Returning to the ethics angle let me mention that I live in the highlands of Mexico where piratas currently co-exist with the common folk, and less amiably with opportunistic rateros. Many of these piratas, particularly those working against the forces of substance prohibition, see themselves fighting against the forces of injustice, albeit while making a living or even living a high lifestyle. Were there similar feelings among pirates of your time?

of course.

Though I'd say injustice is just fine.
that's justice from within.
justice means just-is.
which is false,
since change occurs.

Nothing just-is,
everything else has predecessors.

from answers.com
The upholding of what is just,

just-is

especially fair treatment

how blondes (galactic federation) would treat you.

and due reward in accordance with honor, standards, or law.

Well I guess I am rewarded.
I wish, and so I attain.

The unusal bit, is people that think otherwise.
Who could possible think this slavery machine is anything else?
I'm sure everyone or most people on this website are aware.
It's not some new thing, it's been this way for millenia.
Ever since Hammurabi's justice scrolls
or Code of Hammurabi.

I guess he grew tired of hurting people personally upon request,
so he decided to make the pain or punishment automated.
like a net that slices to pieces anything it can.

I'm not sure why, but people became addicted to it,
and decided to proliferate the executive punishments.
perhaps since they were doing the subliminal killing,
they managed to preserve their own.
those that complained,
or were complained about,
died or were mutilated.

Just like today,
though it's more psychological.
instead of being mutilated physically,
they are confined in cages and mutilated psychologically.

Was there some justification of living as outlaws that you were promoting freedom either by getting over on heavy taxation or outrageous profiteering?

Any taxation at all is parasitic.
Who are you feeding?
An executive or executioners or punisher's.
It's terrible karma to support such pain.

Was there any "good works" done by putting down the faction that were merely criminaly opportunistic profiteers?

I'm not sure what you're referring to..
We didn't do as we were instructed, thereby were evil or creative.

If it wasn't for the vikings raping raids,
there wouldn't be as many people in Europe.

The Spaniards decimated a culture,
and melted down their artifacts into metal,
then expect to hoard it all in another country,
just like the folks from Nibiru that taught them how.
Living a life of imitation, what good little people. *sneer*

Did you get to live the "high life" while in port, fancy clothes, extravagant spending, etc.?

That's almost offensive.
You refer to commissioned privateers.
People that had sex for money,
errr, killed for money.


Admittedly we shared the wealth more than most.
So would pay more than necessary.

Though I was more the kind of pirate to bury treasure.
I was more a survivalist pirate.
killed for long term wealth.

kinda got caught up in the treasure hunting,
since that's all the crew seemed to be interested in,
forgot about reproduction since women were rarely aboard.
However doubtful that I might recover the treasures now, hmmm. lol

Most of the time I was wearing tattered rags,
horizontal red and white striped shirts,
I liked how blood stains weren't as visible.
though admittedly it was standard British sailor garb.
it was part of the decoy plan, like camouflage.

we even had fake papers from various countries,
we'd show papers of a different country,
to one that would attempt to board.
however rare that came to be.

And did your ascension you spoke of have to do with personal realization of ethics, or that the lifestyle was just not worth the danger?

lol I had the same lifestyle to the very end,
I died while killing gray "dragon people" to take their treasure.
After-which I reincarnated as a miner amongst their ranks.
Got lots of treasure, oh ya, lots of mineral caves, it was beautiful.

Or did you mean something else by "ascended"?

It had to do with acceptance,
accepting all scenarios and peoples,
as an expression of nature,
all beautiful, all lovable.

At the time at least,
I had difficulty distinguishing killing and sex,
since driving a phallic sword into someone's flesh,
is quite similar to driving a phallus into a vagina.


Note from Ra's materials that this is a fairly common negative-ascension,
such as that of Genghis Khan, Taras Bulba and Rasputin


Taras and Genghis both killed people en mass and yet still ascended.
Rasputin did a lot more magic for his own short-term sexual and financial rewards, many people died as a result of the materialism *shrugs*.

11.8 Questioner: Is there anyone in our history who is commonly known who went to a fourth-density self-service or negative type of planet or any who will go there?

Ra: I am Ra. The number of entities thus harvested is small. However, a few have penetrated the eighth level which is only available from the opening up of the seventh through the sixth. Penetration into the eighth or intelligent infinity level allows a mind/body/spirit complex to be harvested if it wishes at any time/space during the cycle.

11.9 Questioner: Are any of these people known in the history of our planet by name?

Ra: I am Ra. We will mention a few. The one known as Taras Bulba, the one known as Genghis Khan, the one known as Rasputin.

11.10 Questioner: How did they accomplish this? What was necessary for them to accomplish this?

Ra: I am Ra. All of the aforementioned entities were aware, through memory, of Atlantean understandings having to do with the use of the various centers of mind/body/spirit complex energy influx in attaining the gateway to intelligent infinity.

11.11 Questioner: Did this enable them to do what we refer to as magic? Could they do paranormal things while they were incarnate?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The first two entities mentioned made little use of these abilities consciously. However, they were bent single-mindedly upon service to self, sparing no efforts in personal discipline to double, re-double and so empower this gateway. The third was a conscious adept and also spared no effort in the pursuit of service to self.

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Everything I was doing was for my own long or short term gain and benefit.
Much like I was planting seeds of wealth in my past-life as a pirate,
I could plant seeds of tribes in my current life.
So I have more fun in the future,
with diverse and free people.

Just wanted to clarify a few things.

I also had other lives of course,
a mother, Tibetan monk, Incan priest.

Also some backing or "proof" for my diatribe about the slavery system.
Here is an excerpt from the Code of Hammurabi the inspiration for modern legal systems.

# If anyone brings an accusation of any crime before the elders, and does not prove what he has charged, he shall, if a capital offense is charged, be put to death.
# If a son of a paramour or a prostitute say to his adoptive father or mother: "You are not my father, or my mother," his tongue shall be cut off.
# If a son strikes his father, his hands shall be hewn off.
# If a man give his child to a nurse and the child dies in her hands, but the nurse unbeknown to the father and mother nurses another child, then they shall convict her of having nursed another child without the knowledge of the father and mother and her breasts shall be cut off.

www.wsu.edu...


Also a video about how Statism is Slavery,
that my partner came across yesterday:

To help people see,
that indeed it be.

Originally posted by ChaosMagician
it seems you would need robotic machinery that served the computer, like a peripheral... but not of free will in itself...not even of consciousness. All the consciousness could be totally virtual... and that is where most of this consciousness would need to be anyway... to be efficiently stored and backed up.

Any computer program can be considered a virtual "consciousness".
Every computer typically has an ecosystem of programs,
many helping each other in various ways.


Communicating with ghosts or spiritual beings, is also a viable source of information.

Perhaps a dimension like this already exists and we are a part of it's programming. It's basically just a huge conglomeration of computers and it only needs a very simple biosphere to run, repair and build.

that's somewhat of an oxymoron.
any huge conglomeration would necessarily be vast and complex.

Though perhaps you mean a virtual world like the internet,
where it's simple to run, repair and build information packets.
The hardware itself however, typically is replaced and repaired by humans.

...and what I mean is an adapted environment that could support such things, but no obvious signs of biological life. no organisms except the vast ever expanding computer network and it just continues to grow and grow because of how fast it's data can be made and the realities within could proliferate completely unrestrained.

internet...

or... let's say your planet is populated by cavemen and no one has a computer and no one knows how to open portals and then something catastrophic happens and no one saw it coming and everybody died... can you never ever be isolated from the source of all things, all life, all will? maybe not so everyone that just died are still connected somehow and wind up at the nearest dimension where life is possible and it happens to be an okay place but everybody forgets everything.

possible.

all souls have continuity of experience,
as all possibilities are attempted,
your experience is also run or attempted,
you end up in the universes (intersections) that fit your world view.

I'm not sure how you can not know what I mean... if biological life is so readily available and strewn about the universes, then why do we need to over- computerate? To remember? to control the flow of consciousness by multiplying knowledge? to have gain on the odds?

well look at mars or the moon,
they aren't teeming with life like earth though there may be some activity,
however possibly some robots could adapt to live on their surfaces conspicuously.

...I seriously don't think it is happening in the west. I think people seem to be doing a really good job procreating.... to a dangerous extent perhaps. I think it would be stupid for anyone to take the population down drastically. What if a huge war followed that and there was not very many people left to fight? What the population needs to do is stabilize.

well you can look up the "depopulation agenda",
there are the Georgia Guidestones which aim for a populace of under 500 million.

Originally posted by ChaosMagician
couldn't the past or future overlap the here and now itself? Rumor has it...

sure we can be in resonance.
accessing similar experience from all areas.

What if certain catastrophes were unavoidable and certain cycles were bound to happen and that a drastic change can't occur because every point or period of progression was balanced with regression, because regression is what frightens us and makes us really want to progress. If we have eliminated a negative cycle then what is there to remind us of the concern? Some cycles can never be broken... or can they?

it's more a spiral,
every time it gets bigger or more complex.
though just as a snail, it can die,
so has to procreate to continue experience.

but to sum it up, it seems our main reason for wanting robots would be to protect earth from invading robotic Draconians. We don't have to put the consciousness in the robot to do that.

Actually yes you would,
humans are unlikely to be able to compete with the reaction times.
So remote control is unlikely.

Also remember they are aware,
and even if they are remote-controlled they have desires, desiring to complete objective,
and if they are allowed to make their own choices, they have freewill.

We could create something that has a higher capacity for retaining information and do all sorts if things we couldn't do but we can use these things and control these things without them being alive.

that's impossible.
even rocks are alive.

It seems to me that we would want to concentrate on being able to control our creation so that it doesn't backfire

that's backwards, if you control it then it must backfire.
If you suppress then it will have to get it's revenge.
This is the law of karmic balance.

If you'd like to be live in co-operation with them,
then do so from the beginning.
the means is the ends.

while still using it as an extension of our own consciousness (so long as we, in some form, are still alive) but that if we are going to use it for such purposes, we want them to a)protect us b) not have to worry about them being alive.

I understand that they could protect us, as their bodies are harder, and can store information for us, as their memories live longer.

however I don't see how them being alive is relevant.
though their level of intelligence may be relevant,
the quality of work corresponds to intelligence,
while lower level intelligence might be cheaper,
the amount you get for it is also less.

I personally wouldn't want to house the memory of a computer that is capable of acquiring new information...

well the computer you are using for this transaction does exactly that.
it acquires new information simply to display this page.

such as having an imagination because then it would be duplicating into god knows what and it can't learn on it's own without experience. We could certainly use programs about specific systems that the computer could find answers to, not by experience and notation but but by calculation... but computers already do that.

we already have neuro-nets for pattern-matching,
and evolutionary algorithms for imagining new life-forms or programs.

What if, our current reality is comprised of past alternate dimensions and is combined to coexist in this reality or at least destroy itself in a new way this time? You see, this is what I'm thinking... and the wisdom acquired has to be used somehow to affect the overall design.

Ya we've somehow got to become resilient to these occasional planetary disturbances.
That's part of the reason for neo-tribalism, as each tribe has the required info to reproduce itself and it's technologies,
as long as one or a few tribes survive through a planetary change,
they can propagate and make more of their likeness.

Things being cyclical, karmic, progressive but from what perspective since everything is constantly in decay...

Yes fungi are great for converting dead plant matter into useful soil substrate with edible byproducts including fruiting bodies or mushrooms.

in computer-world a mushroom is called a garbage-collector.
sifts through the memory, finds which is unused or dead,
and then makes it into usable memory by freeing/clearing it.

Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
And did your ascension you spoke of have to do with personal realization of ethics, or that the lifestyle was just not worth the danger?
Or did you mean something else by "ascended"?

It's a complicated fairy tale,
core ethics is karmic balance,
unconditional love and forgiveness.

to give a lot, first can take a lot.
STO it's usually the other way around.
but karma balances out always.
being non-polar density I alternate between STO and STS,
just as a sine-wave does.

So as penance I must create life.
Many many many host-bodies to be created,
to compensate for all those killed host-bodies.

I figure a short-cut,
is by using hives,
and fabrication laboratories,
producing robot host-bodies.



I began an STO half of my cycle upon incarnation as a gray miner,
after being a pirate, I indeed went to "hell" or the underworld,
where I worked I did hard work in hot conditions.
rocks are hard, so i'm assuming cracking them is considered hard work. :-)


to my mind's eye, I'll be climbing to an STO peak for at least a few more thousand years, gotta colonize some planets.

Originally posted by lowki

Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
And did your ascension you spoke of have to do with personal realization of ethics, or that the lifestyle was just not worth the danger?
Or did you mean something else by "ascended"?

It's a complicated fairy tale,
core ethics is karmic balance,
unconditional love and forgiveness.

I would consider ethics important and an admirable quality, but in the karmic scheme, if I possess any understanding of it, our major cosmic crime is that we "communicated", that is to say, we chose a physical existence and played an active part, that is our "karmic crime" in the cosmos.

In your larger role as a pirate I would think the ethics of that is justifiable because you were fighting and responding to oppressive PTB forces that were taking the land and resources of your community family, though in that larger role it seems quite likely you had a hand in some other acts that may not be excusable on a personal level.

to give a lot, first can take a lot.
STO it's usually the other way around.
but karma balances out always.
being non-polar density I alternate between STO and STS,
just as a sine-wave does.

It would seem very likely that your pirate role had a large STO dynamic for your community, and a STS dynamic on a personal level. Some karmic balance there, it seems, not unlike the kind of roles most of us live today. There seems to be little clear-cut STO or STS roles that are entirely exclusive of the other.

So as penance I must create life.
Many many many host-bodies to be created,
to compensate for all those killed host-bodies.

I may be getting behind, then, I have chosen not to create life during this cycle. And though I have not personally deprived or taken life from another directly I worked for the war/defense machine. While helping provide the best defense for my countrymen was justifiable to me, the last administration I worked under became unjustifiably aggressive and oppressive, in my opinion, so I bailed. I took early retire option at the cost of having much less financial security than I otherwise would have had, then left my native country. The trade-off is having nice weather and low cost-of-living, and also I am out of the war-machine dynamic. Actually I am very satisfied with this arrangement. I don't have to live like a pauper where I settled, though I would be a pauper if I had chosen to stay in my native home.

Still, I don't choose to create life.

I figure a short-cut,
is by using hives,
and fabrication laboratories,
producing robot host-bodies.

edit on 13/1/11 by lowki because: sine-wave

edit on 13/1/11 by lowki because: unconditional love and forgiveness

I began an STO half of my cycle upon incarnation as a gray miner,
after being a pirate, I indeed went to "hell" or the underworld,
where I worked I did hard work in hot conditions.
rocks are hard, so i'm assuming cracking them is considered hard work. :-)

edit on 13/1/11 by lowki because: hard work

Aptly put, I believe that is where the "hell" mythos originate from. The work in that underworld seemed a drudgery of an existence yet was very necessary to the world community. The leader of that sector had a burdensome responsibility to demand production, as was his task, which in turn earned him a dreadful reputation mostly afforded him by his counterpart leader in the "outside world" to bolster his own reputation.

It is not always the guy who offers the best benefits and working conditions that himself has the most spotless character. Often the contrary, it would seem.

to my mind's eye, I'll be climbing to an STO peak for at least a few more thousand years, gotta colonize some planets.

edit on 13/1/11 by lowki because: STO peak

Yes, well the work of expanding the universe must carry on, at least that is why we put it here. We build a big house so we can fill our time furnishing it.

Thank you Lowki, I enjoy our chats. My apologies for not responding sooner as I have been side-tracked in other activities. That, of course, is my own failing in our dialog and no reflection back on your part of it. I very much appreciate your responses. Thanks. -Eron

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Lowki,
Do you think the recent bird deaths has anything remotely to do with 2012? Does this is in some way lead to some "major" event in 2012?

When you were a Grey Alien, did you meet any humans from various planets in the universe?

Are planets with humans common in the Universe?

Thank you.

Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
I would consider ethics important and an admirable quality, but in the karmic scheme, if I possess any understanding of it, our major cosmic crime is that we "communicated", that is to say, we chose a physical existence and played an active part, that is our "karmic crime" in the cosmos.

the crime concept is a predatory fabrication,
a way of confusing prey before eating.

first the prey is accused of crime,
the prey then becomes preoccupied in self-loathing,
at which point it is easy to take advantage of and consume.

the reptilian equivalent,
is spitting acidic poison on the prey,
the prey attempts to remove the digestive fluids,
forgetting the predator, and barring it's neck,
allowing one to easily go in for the kill,
tearing neck, consuming host.

In your larger role as a pirate I would think the ethics of that is justifiable because you were fighting and responding to oppressive PTB forces that were taking the land and resources of your community family, though in that larger role it seems quite likely you had a hand in some other acts that may not be excusable on a personal level.

lol, no matter what words or thoughts you associate with it,
killing and eating are a form of taking or acceptance,
hence are negative, as the negative pole accepts electrons.

"justifications" are *shrugs* words I guess.

to give a lot, first can take a lot.
STO it's usually the other way around.
but karma balances out always.
being non-polar density I alternate between STO and STS,
just as a sine-wave does.

It would seem very likely that your pirate role had a large STO dynamic for your community, and a STS dynamic on a personal level. Some karmic balance there, it seems, not unlike the kind of roles most of us live today. There seems to be little clear-cut STO or STS roles that are entirely exclusive of the other.

by STS i meant accepting, destroying
wheras by STO I mean giving, creating.

So as penance I must create life.
Many many many host-bodies to be created,
to compensate for all those killed host-bodies.

I may be getting behind, then, I have chosen not to create life during this cycle. And though I have not personally deprived or taken life from another directly I worked for the war/defense machine. While helping provide the best defense for my countrymen was justifiable to me, the last administration I worked under became unjustifiably aggressive and oppressive, in my opinion, so I bailed. I took early retire option at the cost of having much less financial security than I otherwise would have had, then left my native country. The trade-off is having nice weather and low cost-of-living, and also I am out of the war-machine dynamic. Actually I am very satisfied with this arrangement. I don't have to live like a pauper where I settled, though I would be a pauper if I had chosen to stay in my native home.

Still, I don't choose to create life.

you did contribute, perhaps constructively
even if it was to destructive force.

In fact who you did it for isn't as important,
as what you actually did,
how you felt about it,
and your goals.

your vibration is what is emphasized,
when your perform a ritual action,
such as "work" or sequence of physical motions,
that to you appear to get you to goal destination.

in quantum-fog,
simply imagine it,
and you'll float closer,
float close enough and it appears.

the ritual actions or motions,
is what gets your body swimming,
through the quantum fog.

I began an STO half of my cycle upon incarnation as a gray miner,
after being a pirate, I indeed went to "hell" or the underworld,
where I worked I did hard work in hot conditions.
rocks are hard, so i'm assuming cracking them is considered hard work. :-)

edit on 13/1/11 by lowki because: hard work

Aptly put, I believe that is where the "hell" mythos originate from. The work in that underworld seemed a drudgery of an existence yet was very necessary to the world community. The leader of that sector had a burdensome responsibility to demand production, as was his task, which in turn earned him a dreadful reputation mostly afforded him by his counterpart leader in the "outside world" to bolster his own reputation.

lol, I had no leader I was aware of.
the majority of the time I spent by myself,
chipping away at rocks, analyzing crystals, exploring caves.

grays use economics, pay more food, for higher demand items,
can get food even for some low demand easy to attain items.
I was a reptilian-gray hybrid, so had the option of eating others.

It is not always the guy who offers the best benefits and working conditions that himself has the most spotless character. Often the contrary, it would seem.

to be a complete being,
a full spectrum is experienced.

to my mind's eye, I'll be climbing to an STO peak for at least a few more thousand years, gotta colonize some planets.

edit on 13/1/11 by lowki because: STO peak

Yes, well the work of expanding the universe must carry on, at least that is why we put it here. We build a big house so we can fill our time furnishing it.

that's a nice way of putting it.

Though I like to build things strong, resilient, versatile.
So that when it comes time to test them,
they can withstand my destructive vigor.

*shrugs* maybe a little reptilian in me.
but it's the best way of working out the kinks.
that way can know what to improve on next time.
for a longer and more interesting experience.

writing computer-programs is similar,
test-programs are run with various parameters,
which they are expected to experience.

really high-quality designs,
are tested to see how they function
while under high-load or attack environments.

it's easier to test components,
with a distributed holographic system,
which likely will replace the current autocracy.

the western hierarchy specialist system is undergoing final stages of apoptosis,
with the military or claws already folding into it's body or public.


the mitochondria or refineries,
and rough-endoplasmic-reticulum or manufacturing,
nucleus or long-term plans for reproduction,
have already mostly dissipated or fragmented.

what's left is a withering golgi apparatus or delivery system.
with the membrane or military being the last vestige of hope.
though that's also disintegrating, as Mexico running into America.

globalists argue refinery and manufacturing in China,
with seeds or DUMBS (deep underground military bases) already set.
It's true, there are always alternatives.

Are humans able to survive in the fifth and sixth density of your kind?
what happens to mankind after dec 21 2012?
if someone was to have an out of body experiance about the runes (nordic) whats your opinion on that?
do the planets aligning and the earth being the key have an meaning to you?

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Dude, I dont want to upset you or anything, but lowki has already been proven to be fake, he made this thread only to entertain us. He continues to play his game even now.
He never gave us any evidence that confirm his claims. Never. I asked for one (he says that he is in contact with aliens, I asked for their presence at my home, they didnt come) and he failed to give it to me.
Then I asked for any other, that he could possibly have, ANY. And again, he gave us no evidence.

First off I'd like to say that
mitochondria are more related to power-plants,
and those are still available.
some skeletal structure of refineries and manufacturing also.

the most effective attack on any electric-grid-nation,
would be to take out various electrical-stations,
as the 2003 blackout demonstrated,
it's quite the effective society halter.

also encourages personal renewable energy devices.

Originally posted by 4thetruth
Are humans able to survive in the fifth and sixth density of your kind?

I'm not really sure how to answer that,
there are people with bodies in said densities.

it's possible to experience people in said densities.
Arcturians at 5th density already seem to have a wispy appearance.
Ra at 6th density regularly goes about without a body,
occasionally channeling himself through physicality.

I can understand Ra somewhat, preferring his spiritual freedom,
since I also spent time on Venus, using wind-based host-bodies,
which is fine and dandy if that's what you're used to,
though water-sacks and solid-robots are great also.

Even though my soul seems to be of seventh-density,
Personally I like host-bodies,
So like to have at least one dedicated body.
Robot tribes allow for easier physical multiplexing.

Spiritual world already supports it,
but it's so nice to have physical support.
High-density beings can incarnate or channel through robots reliably.
Also can incarnate as areas like vehicles 7th density, localities 8th density, planets 9th density, solar-systems, galaxies.. and so on.

Imagine how much more rich the Internet would be,
if you had info from all over the galaxy,
at your thoughts whim.
mmm delicious.

Sure we already do spiritually,
but physically would make it so much more tangible.

what happens to mankind after dec 21 2012?

note you said after, so I'm gonna include 20 or so years after.
there are many things various peoples are planning.

some global things,
include continued chemtrails,
potentially with escalation.

Plaedians contactee Billy Meier mentioned sky on fire,
Some channelers mention potential mass landings.
Many mention environmental destruction.


Time-wave-zero singularity style things,
some contactee was mentioning that we'll experience all the same things we've done in this civilization, but exponentially more quickly.
Phosgene gas was used in WWI and it's being used now, but globally,
does that mean they will escalate to mustard gas,
and go through the whole arsenal,
till the climax at nukes?
who knows...
Codex Alimentarius already calls for irradiating (nuking) food.

Alex Jones news of American climate,
projects nazi style concentration camps.
with continued food, water and air poisoning.

Natural gas drilling has already made much of America uninhabitable.
Methane or natural-gas is the largest contributor to global warming.
That could fullfill the prophecy that Agartha will one again be available.
with the ice-caps melted the poles would be easily sailable.

Also natural-gas can be quite useful for robots that colonize those areas,
methane infested waters typically don't support freshwater fish or humans,
and most of the water systems in America have already been affected.

however Alex Collier says there are methane based organisms,
so with co-operation of star-beings can introduce,
methane resistant organisms to repopulate America.
Who knows maybe it will be healed...

Fracking seems to be a complicated ailment to heal,
due to the large extent of the damage and number of toxins used,
and in a futuristic series Battlestar Galactica it's the new top vulgar word.

Frackers claim to have tapped into oceans of natural gas,
and it's leaking many kilometers radius around every drill point.

One might wonder why Americans are being hit so hard,
a simple karmic answer is that they wanted a free ride,
and now they have to pay in their own blood and pain.

Karma always makes people pay,
I prefer to do penance by creating things,
supporting a karmic surplus feels uplifting,
and allows host-bodies to live longer.

Tribe's plan includes sailing on a self-sufficient noah's ark,
scenery of trees, mountains and other biomass.
Occasional native people.
For a while...

if someone was to have an out of body experience about the runes (nordic) whats your opinion on that?

perhaps you have a nordic past-life.

do the planets aligning and the earth being the key have an meaning to you?

perhaps you're referring to the potential breaking of the sixth seal
lunar eclipse on winter solstice with meteor shower and earth quakes.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

the earth could be the key in the sense that it was between the sun and moon,
thereby the cause of the lunar eclipse.

Lowki, I forget, are you a walkin? In other words have you inhabited a physical body from a different dimension? I know we have met here before but had to ask again...

Originally posted by Farnhold
reply to post by 4thetruth

 

Dude, I dont want to upset you or anything, but lowki has already been proven to be fake, he made this thread only to entertain us. He continues to play his game even now.
He never gave us any evidence that confirm his claims. Never. I asked for one (he says that he is in contact with aliens, I asked for their presence at my home, they didnt come) and he failed to give it to me.
Then I asked for any other, that he could possibly have, ANY. And again, he gave us no evidence.

Evidence or proof
be physical experience.

lol, you're the captain of your own body.
You lead it to go and experience.

Where are you steering the ship?
What do your captain's logs look like?
Do you even keep a day-journal?

We've requested that you do keep a magic-spell book,
if that is not clear, then let it become clear to you now.
A blank book, where you write a date at top,
and then your thoughts, feelings, accomplishments,
desires, wishes, dreams,
anything indicative of where your ship is,
anything you'd like to steer your ship towards.

if you're unsure of a statement,
may I suggest saying it aloud before writing,
as sound lives less long than paper.

This is nothing new,
magic is eternal,
as the law of karma.

if you do no process,
there be no result.


unless you have questions regarding the process.
I request that until you do the process,
that you keep silent.

read up on Wicca and do some magic,
can do direct-magic with minimal ritual,
though happy dances and laughter are encouraged,

in example
can cast for allowing the information to make sense,
increase your cognitive capacities,
remember past-lives,
psychic abilities,
enlightenment,
awaken.