Trillions of stars/galaxies.."untrue" (conspiracy).

I placed this under "religious conspiracy" simply because the author of the piece I am about to post explains in great detail that it is just that, a "conspiracy".

How can something as seemingly harmless as the claim of "trillions of stars and galaxies" throughout our universe fall into the category of "conspiracy"? Sounds ridiculous. However, ones understanding of reality are pivotal. And what better place to begin then "understanding the universe". Therefore, what better place to distort.

Are their trillions of stars/billions of galaxies? "No",

here's why....

www.fixedearth.com...

enjoy!

Thank you, that was the silliest thing I've read in quite a while. The author appears to have discovered that every scientist and amateur astronomer in the world is conspiring against his religious dogma.

This it the logical outcome of teaching creationism.

Um.. you should stay away from "crazy" pages like this. I read maybe half the page, and I had to stop. It was utter nonsense. From a mind that cannot accept the real world, a mind that is fanatical. You can see it in the way it is written. Good for a laugh.

a sample
"Anyway, the point is that each water crystal--regardless of size and shape--has been set jewel-like in "hammered" bezels on the underside of the global encasement with a supernatural precision that makes the finest 21 jewel Swiss watch of old about as sophisticated as a mud pie. Thus affixed and perfectly arranged these crystals reflect the light from whatever number of real stars there are. That real number of stars is multiplied (and even magnified) and scattered reflectively with all of the spectral array that is precisely positioned and timed to produce the number and specific locations of individual points of light and all other deep space phenomena that is actually known to exist. "

the author is trying to say that there are not billions and billions of stars, that there are only a few stars. Its Crazy talk to me. Only uneducated minds would actually believe this fanciful written story.

Thanks I needed a laugh. I assuming that you intended this..

[edit on 18-4-2009 by Le Colonel]

reply to post by Gawdzilla


A certain hot spot must have frozen over...you and I are agreed on a topic...

Oh, that article was priceless comedy...

Zealots (the author of the webpage) of any stripe tend to be slightly unhinged about certain topics...this one throws out centuries of learning by true intellectual giants. It is truely staggering the arrogance on display in that article.

reply to post by seagull


"A certain hot spot must have frozen over...you and I are agreed on a topic... "

I promise it won't happen again.

reply to post by Gawdzilla


In all likelihood...

It was fun while it lasted...

Though it does seem to indicate that not all of us "godbotherers" think alike...

It's zealotry like this article that kept science from advancing further than it has. Centuries of persecution by the Church, or persecution at least tacitly condoned by the Church...

OP, this is the same info that you presented in your other thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...' Now, are there going to be more of these threads crafted around this same central theme?

I'd battle for your right to say what you want (in fact, I already did long ago).... however this agenda of yours and the website is far, FAR from nonbiased -- as I said in your other thread. I mean, the linked sited doesn't even PRETEND to be nonbiased.

As I said in your other thread, trying to use rhetoric and smushy logic to "prove" that the Sun revolves around the Earth......... that's beyond laughable.

The author is a retired High School teacher. I shudder to think of the masses of children that we taught by Marshall Hall, the author.

reply to post by seagull


"Though it does seem to indicate that not all of us "godbotherers" think alike... "

If you read my posts you'll see that I never claimed you did. I do lump fundies/creationists into on odoriferous mass, but the run of the mill religious person is not a problem to me. I get nervous about people with attitudes like "IF you don't like the way I drive, stay off the sidewalk!"

here is a link that is related. It was in the news a couple years ago. www.ajc.com...

reply to post by dirtusbagious

Also, it seemed equally apparent that--given the enormous possibilities involved in the dispersion of those reflections--that some very great percentage of all the stars ever allegedly seen are really reflections

Hahah really? Reflections? Ohh my, that's pretty damn ridiculous. But hey, let's move on, perhaps there's something here? .

Then, with corroborating evidence that star reflections are not only Biblically but also scientifically capable of producing a viable model of the universe that would scrap all of modern cosmology since Copernicus, the true size of the universe could indeed be spectacularly sanforized and tailored to somewhat less than a radius of one light day...as we have already begun to see.

Where is such evidence? How is it that we've begun to see that the radius of the universe is 1 light day?

Wait...there might be something to this??

But wait! What if the "science" behind those gazillions of stars is demonstrably built on observation denying assumptions at every step from the Copernican Model to the Big Bang Model .And what if occult math and fraudulent use of technology are shown to be behind every phony piece of Big Bang hype dosed out in all media

Well that's alot of "what if" from a crackpot. What if the bible is fake? Ohh no can't say that one. But let's move on.....

And what if a cadre of latter-day Saganite cyberpunks have admittedly turned computer-programmed space technology into a Virtual Reality video game that aids and abets the Kabbalic Kosmology.

Really? I mean come on...Cyberpunks? Saganite cyberpunks no less. This guy has a bone to pick doesn't he?

And so what if the Biblical Model of a non-moving Earth fits all the observational and experimental evidence?

Well then it's a damn thing it doesn't as has been proven time and time again by...scientists who have studied these things since the beginning of recorded human history.


Wow alright, that was enough crazy reading for today. I've filled my looney bin section of available memory. Do these people actually take themselves seriously?

Thanks OP for the great laugh, but I wish I could give a negative star as this is one of the most laughable examples at a "conspiracy" theory infolving space that I've read in a long time.

~Keeper

damn its scary to think these people have run the world for so long how much better off would we have been if we would have been lead by rational logicly thinking people, not these zealots that believe in a giant fairytale

the bit about the 1st 2nd 3rd outer heavens made me laugh hard though


As science takes so many steps forward religion is forced to take a thousand back thats when people like the author of this garbage pop up trying to make scripture work with the science big bang model

good for a laugh though

100 billion times 100 billion is the low ball/conservative number of stars in the known universe. you can easily double that. also, if you include the multiverse then mulitply the amount by 10.

God wanted to create a vast mysterious place so that no race can take it over. Power in numbers is a double edged sword in fact.

reply to post by dirtusbagious


You know what is really funny? I find it to be at least. The word Galaxy. There is only one Galaxy or every one of them is called the Milky Way, because that is exactly what Galaxy means. Milky Way.

Universe? We are it. We get one verse each and it is totally Uni(que) to us.

I believe the conspiracy of the Vast Universe is to make people feel like they are nothing. When you tell people that can't see for themselves other then looking up, that what is up there is so vast, it makes people feel small and alone and vulnerable instead of who they should be together as one...God.

Peace

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
reply to post by dirtusbagious

 

You know what is really funny? I find it to be at least. The word Galaxy. There is only one Galaxy or every one of them is called the Milky Way, because that is exactly what Galaxy means. Milky Way.

Universe? We are it. We get one verse each and it is totally Uni(que) to us.

I believe the conspiracy of the Vast Universe is to make people feel like they are nothing. When you tell people that can't see for themselves other then looking up, that what is up there is so vast, it makes people feel small and alone and vulnerable instead of who they should be together as one...God.

Peace

Not sure why it has to drive fear that we are just one spec in something that we cannot comprehend ...

ATM though what we do highly believe is that, no matter what straight direction you go, regardless of how fast.. that there is no barreir that cannot be scaled around at the end of the direction ... Atm what we don't believe in is that the universe is just one big giant box that we can't comprehend ;P

So fear factor wise ... Is it safer to be in a expanse so large that we consider it never to end, or are we just in some big giant enclosure ?

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Topic wise ... I highly disagree, to establish such a feat and then have to brainwash the current populace ages ago just to "Forget" that there was only a few stars and that it was many and have complete control over every resource relateing to the stars ... leads to the point of which "Why" with that type of control it would of been far easier to have the world socialized and we would not be in this mess as we are now, we just be slaves =P....

Majority of the people are not a afraid that the universe is "Big" over half of them realy don't even bother with astrology or even consider looking "up" to see them everynight.. So if this was a huge fearmongering trick, it utterly failed badly and probably the most expensive thing imaginable.

As for aliens.. theres more people intrigued then feared by them.. and the other half will tell you the never existed and still don't ;P wouldnt the trick want to show "Independance day" style human mascre's on a daily basis to keep people feared ? and actually think they exist.

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If what the author said is true then it would mean that there would be a small variety, and all these reflections would perfectly resemble their counterparts.

In regards to this post and many other Bible related theories what I can’t understand is why many other Christians find it so hard to swallow that perhaps science and religion are both right and the Bible is either being taken too literally or out of context due to mistranslation and personal misinterpretation.

Why can’t the big bang be the creation of the universe? Perhaps what was done by the eternal Lord(Creator) in millions to billions of years to man was done it what would seemed to be days to an entity that is forever..

6 days to man= 6 billion God years.. something like that maybe

Ecclesiastes 3:11 (New International Version - UK)
11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end.

Are the stars mentioned?
Isaiah 40:26
Lift your eyes and look to the heavens: Who created all these? He who brings out the starry host one by one, and calls them each by name. Because of his great power and mighty strength, not one of them is missing.

What about unexplained things?
Colossians 1:16
For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.

I don’t know but it doesn’t really seem like anything really sinister is going on here.

Either way I am a good person and will go to heaven even if I believe that the dinosaurs lived a million years ago. I think some other people should stop being so afraid of what they believe.

So tell me this, Antares is a reflection of what ? its mass would consume all of our known solar system and then some.

This is like having a vote between flat earth and round earth in the 17th
century.
Although democracy is great for politics thankfully Science is not based on popular vote. Spirituality, Art and Science are based on
the most gifted in each field. Spirituality and Art are much more subjective than science but science has it's religious theories
like the Big
Bang. However most of science is factual-based on repeated steps.
Every time you brush your teeth it is due to scientific factual info -otherwise you will be walking around with a brown frown or toothless.

Originally posted by mazzroth
So tell me this, Antares is a reflection of what ? its mass would consume all of our known solar system and then some.

[removes straw from mouth, spits tabaccy juice, and hooks thumbs in suspenders]

Well, son, you see, it's like this here. Not all that there stuff is the same thickness. It's like molasses, I reckon, some spots are lumpy, some are thin. And we shouldn't ask why, 'cuz Goddidit.

[returns to human form]