President Obama/Lincoln and the next False Flag?

Originally posted by epete22
First off you have probably never worked for anything in your life. Second, Obama trashes the constitution and American values and you're OK with that? Main stream media tells you a glimmer of truth and you complain about it? Are you a janitor or an educated person? Are you a loser or someone that looks at both sides of the issue and makes an educated guess? To me you come across as a loser.

Ouch! You got me there buddy! As it happens I actually am an uneducated janitor who has never worked for anything in his life.

And I absolutely hate the constitution, American values and more than anything I loathe looking at both sides of an issue and making an educated guess.

But at least I don't believe everything I see on Fox.

I mean, even a lowly uneducated janitor like myself realizes that the media outlet that has been the lapdog of the most criminal administration in American history (Bush & Co.) and is owned by admitted neocon Rupert Murdoch, is the absolutely last place on earth that you'll ever find a "glimmer of truth".

Now excuse me, I have to go back not working for anything at all as a janitor.

reply to post by komp_uk


I don't quite understand the pyramid. 1935 is missing but what's more obvious to me is that since each layer of the pyramid represents a 20 year segment, the shape wouldn't be a pyramid at all, but a vertically stacked rectangle with no apex. More like a simple stack of bricks. The pyramid implies that there will be an apex and at that point, the pyramid ends or is finished. So I can't see why this illustration is drawn as a pyramid to begin with.

Do you know the significance of 20 year cycles (regardless of what they're called)?

Originally posted by Albertarocks
reply to post by komp_uk

 

I don't quite understand the pyramid. 1935 is missing but what's more obvious to me is that since each layer of the pyramid represents a 20 year segment, the shape wouldn't be a pyramid at all, but a vertically stacked rectangle with no apex. More like a simple stack of bricks. The pyramid implies that there will be an apex and at that point, the pyramid ends or is finished. So I can't see why this illustration is drawn as a pyramid to begin with.

Do you know the significance of 20 year cycles (regardless of what they're called)?

To be honest I was reading the subject when I noticed this thread and it clicked in my head. that of course does not make it correct.

I was reading this page at the time. It will probably have your answer.

www.diagnosis2012.co.uk...

"
The top would also be 2012 if each level represented one of the 13 baktuns in the Great Cycle, with 3114 BC at the bottom. The top of the Great Seal pyramid shows an eye-in-triangle, which has been associated with Sirius, God, the pineal gland, and the Illuminati. Mardyks goes on to point out that not only was the Egyptian calendar based on the rising of Sirius, but that “the Sun is astrologically conjunct Sirius every year on July 4, for the birthday of the United States of America”. Also, some Mayan groups froze their New Year to July 26, “when Sirius rises in that part of the world.”

On January 1 at midnight, Sirius culminates, reaching its highest point in the sky, at the only time of year when it is visible all night long.

Robert Bauval has a book coming out soon on the Masonic secrets about Sirius, which were encoded into the design of Paris and Washington (Masons were behind the gaining of American Independence, and the French Revolution).
"

reply to post by MrVertigo


Wow...Even though your first post on this thread was deserving of an asshat you really pwned him with this post...

Correct me if I'm wrong (as I'm sure all of you will) but wasn't Lincolns signing of the Emancipation Proclamation a political move? I thought it was designed to irritate the south and their economy more than providing freedom for the slaves.

You as well as I understand the word agitate and this is exactly what this administration is doing to see the responses coming from groups and individuals. Everything this administration does is well thought out, calculated, scripted and it is called the use of a teleprompter with the help of script writters.

Singling out groups and individual citizens as a terrorist threat is no surprise to me because I knew this would be exactly what this administration would do if someone disagreed with their policies. Like you said in so many words listen very closely to every word this guy speaks because when he makes a statement he either follows through with what he says he will do or does the opposite.

obama is no Lincoln, few can say they can ever come close to walking in Lincoln's shoes because of all the trials, tribulations, failures and successes this man had in his life time.

obama had to latch onto and compare himself to President Lincoln from the past in order for obama to be placed in higher esteme and prestige because of his lack of experience in the highest position in the land. obama has a little less then 3 years and 9 months left on his term as President so if he does what he has done in the first 100 days I believe this country is in for a long road of hoe.


[edit on 18-4-2009 by amari]

I agree Obama didnt start this. It's been in the works for decades, since the founding of our Country.

I’m assuming that all anti-NWO protesters will be considered the confederates.

With all the new Executive orders in place I see how easily a Civil War can break out. These orders were created to stop the so called civil War 2.

Any one of several catastrophic events could set this off. I doubt the war will be between the states, due to sovereignty rights .

That leaves me to wonder

who we are fighting.

Obama’s Civilian National Security force? A newly formed Global militia? The Military, after a national emergency is declared?

They may come to search and seize our property, in the event of Martial law?

What do you think these orders are intended for. They know SHTF is coming in the near future.

Hitler turned Germany into a Nazi dictatorship through executive orders.

Executive Order 10995: All communications media are to be seized by the Federal Government. Radio, TV, newspapers, CB, Ham, telephones, and the internet will be under federal control. Hence, the First Amendment will be suspended indefinitely.

Executive Order 10997: All electrical power, fuels, and all minerals well be seized by the federal government.

Executive Order 10998: All food resources, farms and farm equipment will be seized by the government. You will not be allowed to hoard food since this is regulated.

Executive Order 10999: All modes of transportation will go into government control. Any vehicle can be seized.

Executive Order 11000: All civilians can be used for work under federal supervision.

Executive Order 11490: Establishes presidential control over all US citizens, businesses, and churches in time of "emergency."

Executive Order 12919: Directs various Cabinet officials to be constantly ready to take over virtually all aspects of the US economy during a State of National Emergency at the direction of the president.

Executive Order 13010: Directs FEMA to take control over all government agencies in time of emergency. FEMA is under control of executive branch of the government.

Executive Order 12656: "ASSIGNMENT OF EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS RESPONSIBILITIES", "A national emergency is any occurrence, including natural disaster, military attack, technological emergency, or other emergency that seriously degrades or seriously threatens the national security of the United States. Policy for national security emergency preparedness shall be established by the President."

This order includes federal takeover of all local law enforcement agencies, wage and price controls, prohibits you from moving assets in or out of the United States, creates a draft, controls all travel in and out of the United States, and much more.

Martial law can be declared due to natural disasters, Y2k Crisis, Stock Market crash, no electricity, riots, biological attack, .... anything leading to the breakdown of law and order.

Originally posted by MrVertigo
The people pushing for a civil war right now are not in the Obama administration.

They are on Fox News arranging "tea parties" and yapping about Obama being a fascist, communist, Muslim and god knows what else.

There definitely is a movement pushing for civil unrest and maybe even war in America, what everyone needs to ask themselves is who they are and why they are doing it.

And what's with the "paraphrasing"?? I mean seriously that has absolutely no base in reality whatsoever

Oh so its only FOX huh? Well I seem to recall all of Your 1000000's of News stations were labeling the tea party people as a bunch of racist red necks. How bout the DHS calling right wingers possible terrorist. Oh wait what about hollywood putting out stupid idiotic movies that portray Christians as being dumb idiotic possible suicide bombers. This goes on more from the left then what it does from the right I assure You. Also I do believe this is the plan to incite the conservatives to revolt or to cause another civil war. The only difference is the lazy liberals would have to be drafted while the conservatives would probably jump at a chance to kick the commies colectivists butts.

It's scary to think that Obama and crew are as megalomaniac as I think they are. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and staff have been planning the "revamping" of our Constitution for years

reply to post by jkm1864


Personally I think this deep division between "liberal" & "conservative" is one of the biggest problems America has right now.

If there indeed is an NWO, which I am inclined to believe and I'm assuming most people here are as well, then it is certainly in their best interests to have people fighting amongst themselves instead of realizing that they have a common enemy.

I never said that it was only Fox and I never said that it was only a right wing thing, and I agree that a lot of the coverage of the tea parties has been tasteless & offensive.

But Fox News has worked harder to deepen the divide between "conservative" & "liberal" than any other mainstream agency that I can think of.
The questions one must ask oneself is WHY?
Who's behind it?
Who benefits?

It's certainly not the average American tax payer i can tell you that.


[edit on 18-4-2009 by MrVertigo]

Originally posted by captiva
reply to post by littlebunny

 

"I am not going to give a history lesson, simply because I don’t have the patience to walk everyone through Americas history, which is something each of you should have studied on your own in the first place"

There are more than Americans who frequent ATS. Im Scottish, do you know my history?

Personally I dont care for yours due to the fact that so many spout it, lean on it and quote its role in the birth of your constitution. Yet, do nothing about the situation you as a nation are in.

Respects

[edit on 18-4-2009 by captiva]

I swear I must have some Scottish blood in my American body somewhere. I like this guy and he's right. We talk the talk but we don't walk the walk.

so in Short DO SOMETHING!

Refreshing, but I was skeptical at 1st (of course )

Just more reasons to buy more guns and ammo

Honestly America's ignorance is the only way it's NOT imploding right now. If people really knew how bad the economy really is and how bad the system has been corrupted by global corps there would be blood on the streets, but now look at us after the past 30 years of complete financial and political shenanigans we still keep buying our "stuff" and gobble up the drivel we are fed from the MSM.

Obama is the Anti-Christ people. People are not grabbing up guns because they think the government will ban them. People know Obama will be hell bent on ruining this country. He wants America and its powerful military wrapped up in a civil war. Thats the only way that America will not come to Israels aid in the final war. So he thinks anyway.

He is going to do things to cause many people to want him gone. Thats his goal, To fulfill prophecy. To do that he must receive a normally fatal head wound so he can rise from the dead fully possessed by Satan and you should know the rest.

My guess is that he will turn his back on Israel after they attack Iran and he will be shot for that by someone. Only to come back and proclaim himself to be the one true Messiah and make the false peace deal.

God help us all.

First, President-elect Obama tells America that his Presidency will emulate Lincolns. Have any of you figured out what he means by that?

I don’t know; why has every president in our recent history done the same thing with another president or the same president? Could it be because they admire that person and hope to be as good a president as they were and wish to be remembered like they were? I don’t think there has to be anything sinister here, unless you want to see something sinister.

which is something each of you should have studied on your own in the first place.

You know, ATS is full of non-Americans.

Words mean things and at President Obama's level of government nothing is said by accident.

No one has claimed that conservatives or vets are terrorist. If words mean so much why don’t you quote the ACTUAL words? Why don’t you post what the administration has actually been saying instead of this off-base interpretation?

By the way, I’m not an Obama supporter, but I had to add some common sense to this thread.


[edit on 18-4-2009 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

I believe the next "false flag" will be utter economic deterioration in the US. It may not happen this summer but it WILL happen in the next few years. I think this will cause an amount of social upheaval and violence the likes of which we as Americans haven't seen since the 60's. The civil war was a war of secession. Anyone that knows history should know that. States talking about seceding from the country or the grip of Federal Government is a very serious situation. I think it's all talk but this type of action by nation states has caused violence and bloody war all over the world. We as Americans seem to think we are so immune from what the rest of the world has gone through, we are not. It will happen here, when and how is the question unfortunately.

But to speed things up and usher it in faster I could see another major terrorist attack. Hell we don't even need a false flag op though. Look at the powder keg in the middle east that is about to explode. Pakistan!

Originally posted by Sky watcher
Obama is the Anti-Christ people.

Wow is this claim old.
Obama is the anti-christ
Bush was the anti-christ
Cheney was the anti-christ (ok well maybe)
Reagan was the anti-christ.
etc...
etc...
etc...

People are not grabbing up guns because they think the government will ban them. People know Obama will be hell bent on ruining this country.

Why would he do that?
Provide evidence to suggest ANYTHING you're saying is true.

He wants America and its powerful military wrapped up in a civil war. Thats the only way that America will not come to Israels aid in the final war. So he thinks anyway.

Oh come on....
Obama already said that isreal doesn't have a blank check like they did during the bush administration and frankly at this point, I'm not really caring all that much if we do come to isreals aid.

He is going to do things to cause many people to want him gone. Thats his goal, To fulfill prophecy.

OK post the prophecy that describes everything you've said including obama by name.

To do that he must receive a normally fatal head wound so he can rise from the dead fully possessed by Satan and you should know the rest.

For your own sake, please stop watching sci-fi programs.

My guess is that he will turn his back on Israel after they attack Iran

If isreal attacks iran without provocation, I'd turn my back on them too. Does that mean I'm the anti-christ now instead of obama?

I don't think that President Obama is that deep. I think that his "admiration" of Lincoln has more to do with the fact that Lincoln is the most popular former president. So, Obama tries to glom onto Lincoln's popularity with the public. He also tried to compare himself to Reagan early in the campaign but he quit doing that after his handlers informed him that there was no payoff in that comparison since the Democrats don't like Reagan and the Republicans don't like Obama.

I also noticed that Obama does not associate himself with Jimmy Carter, even though he has a lot in common with Mr. Carter. That's because there is no political payoff with anyone on the Right or Left in making that association.

I think that Obama is an empty suit and he has demonstrated that fact by his poor performance in venues where he did not have his tele-prompter. It seems that each successive President that we have is more and more dependent upon their handlers, speechwriters, image consultants, and technical aids. It's as if we have no politicians who can think for themselves or even form a coherent sentence without help.

reply to post by littlebunny


There is no repairing, no fighting, no recourse, these actions have been in plan for thousands of years. America's destiny was to collapse and bring about the new world order. Foxnews and CNN hijacked the tea parties and censored its people. You say, perhaps we need another revolution, another civil war, i tell you the truth, this is what they are pushing for, THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT TO HAPPEN. Then they will engage the american public in a full scale domestic war on terrorism. Wars will be fought around the world in much of the same fashion as here in America. This is when the answer will be brought forth to the world, the great deception emerges. People will look into the sky and believe they see a savior, a return. Project blue beam begins, the tribulation starts. the cleansing of those who are against the new world order will begin, it will not be a rounding up though, THE POPULATION WILL FLOCK TO THE CAMPS, they will RUN to the camps...Why? there will be no power, no food, no water, no supplies, they will run to these places for supplies, and they will not leave unless they agree to follow the ways of the new world order.

the only escape, all your base are belong to Jesus. = )

THE PART I SPEAK OF STARTS AND ENDS AT THIS TIME FRAME: 1:17:24-1:18:55
I STRONGLY recommend watching the movie - "the road to Guantanamo bay"

Google Video Link

WATCH THIS TIME FRAME - 1:17:24-1:18:55 -
there is a section of the movie where this man who is from Brittain gets put in Guantanamo bay and is there for a few years with them trying to get him to sign a paper saying he is with Al-Qaeda, threatening to arrest his family and bring them to the same camp and torture them as well....They put him in a pitch black room with his hands chained to the floor and feet chained next to his hands so hes in the fetal position sitting up, there is a strobe light and they are blasting cradle of filth, they keep him in that room for 6 hours, he has to pee on himself and defecate in his pants while listening to screaming music, in a pitch black room with a strobe light.

THIS IS WHAT OUR SOLDIERS HAVE BECOME, WE HAVE BEEN REDUCED TO A SATANIC FORCE, YOU CANNOT PERSUADE ME TO THINK THIS IS NOT SATANIC AT ITS VERY CORE -

after this they bring him to a room and throw porn magazines at him and tell him to jack off, when he wont obey they beat the crap out of him calling him gay etc...

Don't even try to argue this was just a film and exaggerated we all saw how they treated those prisoners.


[edit on 18-4-2009 by daersoulkeeper]

I find it very odd how he uses the Lincoln comparison as a cult of personality. Lincoln has taken on a mythical, heroic image over the years himself, maybe Obama wants to have that aura while he's in office?

reply to post by Sky watcher


He cant be the antichrist. Obama's name doesnt add up to 666. There are are few common factors, like possibly muslim.

He wont know who he is until he survives a fatal would to the head and survives.

None of the Greek, Hebrew or roman numbers come close, unless he has another name?

Other things that do add up to 666 are;

Bill Gates is William Henry Gates III
Prince Charles of Whales
Kissinger
Vicarious filii Dei (Pope)
US OF AMERICA
COMPUTER
Trilateral Commission,
Bilderberg
Sun Myung Moon,
Freemasonry,
Illuminati...
Hitler
Arafat
Nero Caesar

There are too many to list.



[edit on 18-4-2009 by wonderworld]