President Obama/Lincoln and the next False Flag?

Have any of you been paying attention lately to all the words that are being spoken from this new Administration? Do they make anyone else go... Hmm?

First, President-elect Obama tells America that his Presidency will emulate Lincolns. Have any of you figured out what he means by that? Well lets think about that for a second. Lincoln fought a civil war, and then just before the end of that war he freed America’s slaves. Where are the slaves in America today? Where is there a civil war in America today? Do we need to take a closer look at Lincoln‘s pre-war history?

I am not going to give a history lesson, simply because I don’t have the patience to walk everyone through Americas history, which is something each of you should have studied on your own in the first place. So I’m going to do this another way. Simply by asking questions…

How did the civil war begin? The quick answer is, the South fired the first shot right… Well that is NOT a real truthful answer is it? Second, did Lincoln and those within his administration say this and do that, that made the South feel they had no choice but to fight? Did they, who among you knows the answer?

Once again... Have any of you figured out what President Obama means by he wants/will emulate Lincolns Presidency? This is something we must begin to talk and seriously think about.

Has President Obama’s administration said anything within the first few months that some could reasonably see as fighting words?

Paraphrasing for sure…

“American’s are cowards…”

“Conservative Americans and Gulf War Vet’s are terrorists”

“When I see American Service men coming home from serving overseas I think Timothy McVeigh.”

Are there things that this Administration are doing or said they are going to do to force either a group of people, or States’ to draw lines in the sand… and if they continue to push… could President Obama succeed in making either side fire the first shot?

“If a Governor refuses to accept this Federal Government aid package, then the Legislative bodies of those states can accept this aid without the Governors permission.”

“All American’s will be forced to volunteer…”

“Strict gun laws will be passed, regardless of what the courts say about them and the 2nd Amendment…”

To name only a few…

What can we expect in the future?

Is President Obama’s administration really stealing pages from history, the true history of Lincoln?

I am very interested in what my fellow ATSers think about this. Are there more of you looking at our own time with an outside observers historical reference/view? Can we, by thinking this through, can we here on ATS find greater understanding of what we can expect?
Can ATS really step up to the challenge and pull through the weeds of disinformation and follow the waterfall of information this new administration seems to be flowing down to us all?

(When I awake I will find the Youtube videos with the quotes I mentioned above, to tired at the moment.)

Are any of you having this same déjà vu of history?

Do you think this administration is trying to pick a fight, and if those States’ and/or conservative American’s or “American terrorists” (As President Obama now calls us) don‘t bite, could this turn out to be the next false flag? Which in turn will bring in what??? What is the game plan beyond picking a fight?

Words mean things and at President Obama's level of government nothing is said by accident. Do you see it too?

Let’s talk about it…

--Charles Marcello

(S&F to get more people thinking about this...)


[edit on 18-4-2009 by littlebunny]

The people pushing for a civil war right now are not in the Obama administration.

They are on Fox News arranging "tea parties" and yapping about Obama being a fascist, communist, Muslim and god knows what else.

There definitely is a movement pushing for civil unrest and maybe even war in America, what everyone needs to ask themselves is who they are and why they are doing it.

And what's with the "paraphrasing"?? I mean seriously that has absolutely no base in reality whatsoever

Maybe they are trying to force all states into total financial dependence on them, since then they can control the governments in each state like they are little federal agencies or programs dependent on them for survival. They want states that take their money, they need it for power, without it they can't persuade and can only try to coerce which becomes obvious.


These bailouts are attempts to prop up criminal enterprises on wall st, the only person that has so far folded in shame was Madoff, nobody wants to give up their crimes and Obama has to keep them in power or they will take him with them, since he and his memebrs of his adminstrations have deep ties to these crooked banks.

How did the civil war begin? The quick answer is, the South fired the first shot right… Well that is NOT a real truthful answer is it? Second, did Lincoln and those within his administration say this and do that, that made the South feel they had no choice but to fight?

How or why did it begin? You mentioned the firing on Fort Sumter as the act that started it, are you asking for the reasons or the actions? States rights is not exactly a action that caused it, it's a reason. As for the second question, if the states had the right to secede, and they did, then they had the right to fire on Sumter, correct? Did the South have no choice but to fight? I guess so, they were hosting a force on their lands from another government.

I don't know, the War of Northern Aggression has always stymied me, even after reading countless books on it. I never seem to make sense of it all.

So, I tried to answer those first two questions. I failed, although I'm not sure exactly what you are asking.

Now, in regards to Obama and today, I don't know what the hell he is saying. Hell, Lincoln didn't even free the slaves like we are taught, so I'm not sure what Obama is saying. There aren't any more slaves to rescue, are there? Besides all of us, slaves to this damned system?

Barackanaton is as charismatic and insane as his Egyptian incarnation as Pharaoh Akhenaton.

Yes, he has charisma, but the 'new religion'/'new world order' that he promises (and is acting upon) will bring complete ruin to the United States.

Although there is a new Pharoah in Egypt, so to speak, you US Americans better knock the wind out the Democrats' hold on the Senate and the House and create a parity between the parties so very little new legislation gets through or is rendered hope-lessly deadlocked.

Giving a majority to Republicans is something that party doesn't deserve, but parity between parties so no one can accomplish anything at the federal level may be the best for which US Americans can hope.

the next false flag after 911 is happening right now its the financial meltdown on a global scale. Its just not one single event.

There will be greater change to our lives of the back of this than any terror attack.

Also there will not be another civil war in America its just not possible.

The US military has been redefined into something that could never be split into 2 rival factions, its a million miles away from how it functioned under Lincoln.

reply to post by littlebunny


"I am not going to give a history lesson, simply because I don’t have the patience to walk everyone through Americas history, which is something each of you should have studied on your own in the first place"

There are more than Americans who frequent ATS. Im Scottish, do you know my history?

Personally I dont care for yours due to the fact that so many spout it, lean on it and quote its role in the birth of your constitution. Yet, do nothing about the situation you as a nation are in.

Respects

[edit on 18-4-2009 by captiva]

reply to post by littlebunny


Personally, I think your barking up the wrong tree, but that is only my opinion. You are looking at an individual for answers and it is much more complex than that.

James Madison was obsessed with the idea that factions would take over our government. He wrote about this extensively.

This, in my opinion, is exactly what is playing out right now and these "factions" he was so concerned with turned out to be the democratic and republican parties. Look what is going on right now, the country is in turmoil, the citizens are extremely unhappy and feel oppressed. The republicans have lost all power in government. So how are they responding to this? They are fueling the fire of unrest within the population, hoping that the population can do for them what they could not do themselves; defeat the democrats.

Although I am completely in favor of all of the (peaceful) protests, I think we are trying to play pin the tail on the donkey when the real game is pin the tail on the herd.

Obama is a puppet, he does not even have his own opinion, let alone any authority within his faction. All of his decisions are made for him, hell, I would bet that he didn't even pick out his own dog.

As for Lincoln and the civil war; that war was not about slavery, it was about sovereignty. The north kept pushing and pushing until the confederates were in a corner and just with the most timid animal, once chased into a corner there is only one option left and that is aggression. The north said that slaves will count as 1/2 person for taxation and 0 as population. This means that the south would have to pay taxes on the slaves, yet they would not qualify for funding or representation in congress because of the numbers of slaves. This although seemingly harmless equates into billions of dollars which at that time was like hundreds of billions today. This was not the only shady tactic the northern states were using, but it was probably the biggest. By doing this they were robbing the southern states of massive amounts of federal money as well as the southern states power within the government. Obviously slavery was part of the issue as would be evident in the 7 great debates between Douglas and Lincoln in 1858; however, that issue alone would not have started this war. Common people would refuse to fight their brothers, cousins, and neighbors for something that had no benefit to them. Remember the wealthy do not fight in the wars, that's the peasant's jobs and I can not imagine any scenario when the entire country would kill each other so the rich man could keep his slaves, there had to be something deeper that could divide the middle and lower classes. "Divide and conquer" its always the same scenario played out in a different plot every time.

Very interesting!

Star and flagged.

Thanks!

[edit on 18-4-2009 by breakingdradles]

Originally posted by littlebunny

Paraphrasing for sure…

“American’s are cowards…”

“Conservative Americans and Gulf War Vet’s are terrorists”

“When I see American Service men coming home from serving overseas I think Timothy McVeigh.”


“All American’s will be forced to volunteer…”

“Strict gun laws will be passed, regardless of what the courts say about them and the 2nd Amendment…”

Please post sources with your information.
Without a source, we can't assume anything you're saying is even remotely true.
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reply to post by littlebunny


I keep hearing about Obama's plans such as you mentioned about “All American’s will be forced to volunteer…” or his requiring Mandatory Volunteering. Some of it I think was related to the Climate change consipiracy or an energy corps.

Isn't "Forced to Volunteer" another definition of "Slavery" where you are required to work for free despite your choice.
Could Obama's emulation of Lincoln be more like a reversed mirror image instead of an actual direct similarity? Instead of freeing the slaves he may be taking steps to "re-create" a version of slavery?

Originally posted by epete22
Obama trashes the constitution and American values and you're OK with that? Main stream media tells you a glimmer of truth and you complain about it? Are you a janitor or an educated person? Are you a loser or someone that looks at both sides of the issue and makes an educated guess? To me you come across as a loser.

Not to interject myself here but,
You're complaining about obama trashing the Constitution after 8 years of the bush administration?????

And it's really not necessary to personally insult people to get your point across.

reply to post by jfj123


Ill help him out. Page 7 of Rightwing Extremism

(U) Disgruntled Military Veterans
(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A assesses that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat. These skills and knowledge have the potential to boost the capabilities of extremists—including lone wolves or small terrorist cells—to carry out violence. The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist
groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.
— (U) After Operation Desert Shield/Storm in 1990-1991, some returning military
veterans—including Timothy McVeigh—joined or associated with rightwing
extremist groups.
— (U) A prominent civil rights organization reported in 2006 that “large numbers
of potentially violent neo-Nazis, skinheads, and other white supremacists are now
learning the art of warfare in the [U.S.] armed forces.”
— (U//LES) The FBI noted in a 2008 report on the white supremacist movement
that some returning military veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have
joined extremist groups.

http://__._/leak/us-dhs-right-wing-extremism-2009.pdf

reply to post by littlebunny


Dear littlebunny...

I am, by nature, a slightly liberal conservative, with just a dash of independent mustang thrown in... And I'm old too. I was there for a lot of the Viet Nam War, and stuff that happened before, and after. I've done a bit of studying of American History.

If you want to come at everyone from a position of superiority, you are going to have to try much harder than this. I'm thinkin' most folks aren't buying into it.

Try again... Only this time, take the time to state a position and be able to defend it.

Originally posted by stereotype
reply to post by jfj123

 

Ill help him out. Page 7 of Rightwing Extremism

(U) Disgruntled Military Veterans
(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A assesses that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat. These skills and knowledge have the potential to boost the capabilities of extremists—including lone wolves or small terrorist cells—to carry out violence. The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist
groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.
— (U) After Operation Desert Shield/Storm in 1990-1991, some returning military
veterans—including Timothy McVeigh—joined or associated with rightwing
extremist groups.
— (U) A prominent civil rights organization reported in 2006 that “large numbers
of potentially violent neo-Nazis, skinheads, and other white supremacists are now
learning the art of warfare in the [U.S.] armed forces.”
— (U//LES) The FBI noted in a 2008 report on the white supremacist movement
that some returning military veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have
joined extremist groups.

http://__._/leak/us-dhs-right-wing-extremism-2009.pdf

So apparently this has been going on since, at least the early 1990's and is not something that the obama administration has started.

I'm still interested to know the sources for the OP's "paraphrased" quotes. I'm curious as to whether or not they're real or made up.

Originally posted by captiva
reply to post by littlebunny

 

"I am not going to give a history lesson, simply because I don’t have the patience to walk everyone through Americas history, which is something each of you should have studied on your own in the first place"

There are more than Americans who frequent ATS. Im Scottish, do you know my history?

Personally I dont care for yours due to the fact that so many spout it, lean on it and quote its role in the birth of your constitution. Yet, do nothing about the situation you as a nation are in.

Respects

[edit on 18-4-2009 by captiva]

I know about as much about American history as I know about Canadian history. But I know even more about Scottish history because all my ancestors were from Ireland. In fact, the queen of England is a descendant of Robert the Bruce, and Malcolm before him, and an entire ancient line of Scottish kings before Malcolm. So she's actually a Scot and therefore a descendant of Ireland. By bloodlines she's not even Anglo nor Saxon, she's Celtic.

Anyway, what I'd like to suggest here is that the NWO is horrified of a unified American people. This whole charade of Republican/Democrat, red state/blue state is nothing more than a tool they've had in their back pocket for the day they'll need to use it... use it to divide the American people once more thereby paving the way for another American revolution to unfold. Divide and conquer! The united states of America are not united at all under this system. They were united up until the day they agreed to form a federal government and gave it very, very limited power.

Last I heard, there were 31 states who very recently (in fact it's ongoing as I write this post) have prepared documents that more or less reminding the federal government who actually works for whom. Some of those documents go so far as to give warning to the federal government that it is on the verge of being stripped of it's power. These are not documents of "secession" as a lot of posters (on other threads) are insisting. On the contrary, they're documents that will draw the individual states back together again as one... all standing together against the federal government. This would represent the very worst scenario for the NWO bastards. So of course, they're going to do everything in their power to start a revolution within the US that pits state against state.

My hope and prayer is that the American people will get over the entire smoke and mirrors philosophy of the two party system and realize that this is an extremely serious situation where they all have to unite and throw out the federal gov't. The "United" "States" of "America" means just that. It means 50 states who are united as friends and who have given a very minimal amount of power to a federal government basically for convenience sake. The constitution still says that the "states" have every right to rescind that power from the federal government and dissolve it at their will. And that's what these 31 states are preparing to do. Soon, hopefully, it will be all 50 states. I wouldn't want to be the governor of one of 5 or 6 states who decide to be stragglers in this matter.

I have to agree with our friend Captiva from Scotland... do something about your situation for Christ's sake... and hurry up about it.

[edit on 18-4-2009 by Albertarocks]

reply to post by epete22


You are not allowed to personally attack someone on this forum.
Is that the only reason you subscribed to ATS?

What always got me was during his inauguration he said he would be finishing what our (not mine, im UK) forefathers started.

Bare with me here

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In the Great Cycle, there are 13 baktuns of 20 katuns each; each katun consists of 20 tuns, so there are 5200 tuns in the Great Cycle. There are also 52 haabs in a Calendar Round. Some Mayan groups named cycles after end dates rather than beginning dates. They would also have seen a series of 13 katuns as a significant cycle. 1776 was not only the year that the Declaration of Independence was signed (on the 4th of July), but was also a special year in the Mayan calendar. Just as the last katun in the Great Cycle is “katun 2012”, the first katun in the cycle of 13 was “katun 1776”. In fact, the katun ended 33 days before the signing. So 1776 is the bottom level of the pyramid, where the date is actually inscribed – the top of the pyramid is therefore 2012.

and

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So I have to ask what dont we know about that the forefathers started??