Schakowsky: Tea parties 'despicable'

From OP:

"Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) blasted "tea party" protests yesterday, labeling the activities "despicable" and shameful."

No, Rep. Schskowsky, what is despicable and shameful is the fact that you and the rest of buffoons in Congress decided to shamefully and despicably vote to bail out to the tune of trillions crooks and tyhieves and cronies of your husband, while now harping shrilly that lawful citizens should not use their rights and protest this sham call US Government.

THAT is the only shameful and dispicable practice I see in the whole deal.

If anyone wants to follow my lead and let this big mouth waste of my tax dollars know what you think of her nonsense, here is where to do so:



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E-mail Jan

Here is what I sent:

I may not be from Illinois, but I am a 20+ yr Democrat (until this year), and one of the most liberal women on this planet. However, your comments about the Tea Parties make me sick. What USA do you live in? The one where citizens still retain the right to protest against a bloated and crooked government? Because that's where I still live, lady.

You referred to the actions of those protesting as "shameful" and "despicable".

No, Rep. Schskowsky, what is despicable and shameful is the fact that you and the rest of buffoons in Congress decided to shamefully and despicably vote to bail out to the tune of trillions crooks and thieves and cronies of your husband, while you are now harping shrilly that lawful citizens who pay YOUR SALARY should not use their rights and protest this sham we call US Government.

Maybe you and the rest of our elected representatives in our government should actually try THINKING before you speak. I sincerrely hope you are NOT re elected.

You and your ilk bring shame to the Democratic party. That is all I have to say about this.


Don't just gripe about it on the ATS boards, fire off your opinion to this clown. She after all, had no problem squawking hers out to us.

reply to post by Sestias

It took Franklin Roosevelt and his New Deal to set the country back on the road to recovery. That included a huge economic stimulus as well as government-funded jobs programs. It worked, though it took awhile to dig the country out of the deep pit it had dug for itself.

Sorry your a little off on your facts here. It is widely known that Roosevelt's New deal was ultimately a complete failure and most of the New Deal was repealed by the congress. What ended the Great Depression was the Outbreak of WWII and the U.S. Government flooding the economy with war spending. Plus the Allies of the U.S. Flooding the U.S. economy with war spending as well to replace their ships,tanks, airplanes, and ammo that had been used or destroyed.

reply to post by weedwhacker


I think you are underestimating the depth of the anger and the intelligence of the angry.

What I'm hearing from the business community here is fear. There was a time when we felt as though we had some control. The Tea Party is just the tip of the iceberg so to speak.

I've been here watching the eruption of Redoubt Volcano. It coughed and sputtered and gave signals but just would not blow. Then even the experts predicting the eruption lowered it to a code Orange and accepted it may not happen in the near future. Almost immediately after it erupts full force. Ash clouds forty, fifty, sixty thousand feet in the air.

I think what is happening with this Tea Party and the public's political mood is analogous. We all know the Lava is moving towards the surface, but will it actually blow? As was the case with the Volcano there comes a point where it is no longer will it blow, but when. I think we are past that point. Soon a single incident will tip the scale.

I don't foresee a violent revolt. What I see is that after people losing half or more of their retirement, losing their homes in some cases, losing their businesses and credit all due to no fault of their own; this Volcano will blow. I think our Government worst nightmare is building. Millions of law abiding, peaceful people joining in protest in a non-violent intelligent manner giving them nobody to demonize.

I do not believe the Tea Party was entirely populated by the illiterate and uninformed. What we saw is that even those who may not be entirely up to speed on the issues instinctively sense that things are just not right and it is time to react. Those same people will be well educated by the time the next event rolls around and joined by others who see it is time.

I think this discounting the whole thing simply because Foxnews reported about it is incredibly narrow minded and those in office ignore these people at their own doom. For now at least, the vote is an insurmountable thing. If enough voters turn on them, even the most aggressive ballot box stuffing scheme could not change the outcome. Incumbents I believe will be joining the unemployed after the midterms.

We watch Obama and Congress spend more in a few months than all others before them in history combined. We watch them pour billions into the pockets of Banks, some of whom admit they did not need it. We then see them take control of the Banks and even try and stop them from paying back the loans so they can continue to control them. We see the Unions having the complete favor of Obama and know the damage that could do. We see hidden taxes everywhere and fake tax cuts being lauded by our President. We see taxes go down few dollars a week while at the same time the price of products skyrocket as businesses are destroyed by taxes. We see the death tax come back next year to guarantee that small business owners cannot pass on the fruits of their labor to their own children.

....and on and on and on!

The Tea Party was just the first spurt of steam before the erruption. When the inflation starts even the Left will turn on their own and those of us in the middle will join fully. Obama will end up joining the the Hall of Presidents Without a Clue with the likes of Carter.

Get ready. $10 loafs of bread and 20% Mortgages are just around the corner. We have seen this game played before and the rules have not changes.

The only bad thing about the Tea Parties is that the people who should have been there, sat at home and watched it on TV.

Originally posted by Mercenary2007

Sorry your a little off on your facts here. It is widely known that Roosevelt's New deal was ultimately a complete failure and most of the New Deal was repealed by the congress. What ended the Great Depression was the Outbreak of WWII and the U.S. Government flooding the economy with war spending. Plus the Allies of the U.S. Flooding the U.S. economy with war spending as well to replace their ships,tanks, airplanes, and ammo that had been used or destroyed.

Wow, didn't take long for the historical revisionists to crawl out of the gutter. Seriously, where do you guys get this crap? And one or two small studies from economists who are bought and paid for by the Republican Party and their corporate masters don't count.

WWII was a massive Public Works campaign. Fact is, if not for the New Deal we wouldn't have been able to effectively fight the war in the first place, considering our manufacturing capability was in shambles during the Depression. And, all that "war spending" would have been impossible without the New Deal, since a large portion of it came from War Bonds--which the public would not have had the financial power to purchase, had the New Deal not set the groundwork for returning them to work.

I'm frankly amazed how few people see the Republican Party's hand behind this whole mess. David Stockman, Reagan's Director of the OMB, personally developed a strategy specifically to discredit the Democratic Party and prevent needed reforms that would allow this great nation to move forward. His strategy was two-fold: Cut taxes, while increasing spending. The result: Huge deficits that Democratic successors would be unwilling, or politically unable, to fix without raising taxes again and looking like the "bad guys". Christ, people, they actually spelled this stuff out for you and told you they would do it. It's all about getting their people elected, not about the needs of the People or even the "principles" of "limited government". It's about elections and preserving the moneyed aristocracy. One party, the Republican party, has clearly been on the side of the rich since Lincoln's burial. The Democratic party may not be perfect, but at least we're trying to fix the problems.

Let me ask ya's this:

If we allowed these banks and other companies to fail, what do you think would really happen?

I bet you wouldn't be too happy with the result. Seriously, you think you're mad now....

reply to post by The Nighthawk


Really?... Is this why there are SOCIALIST programs being implemented?

From the Federal Reserve, which was implemented by DEMOCRAT Woodrow Wilson who signed into law the Federal Reserve Act, giving power over our economy to private bankers which would later on lead to the nationalization of banks. Again, another Socialist program.

Then we had DEMOCRAT Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who banned ALL Americans from possessig gold in 1933, trapping us further into a paper economy that was backed by nothing more than empty promises.

Then DEMOCRAT Bill Clinton signed to repeal the Glass-Steagall Act in 1999, repealing the safeguards which would have prevented the Great Depression we are being led to. It was also thanks to DEMOCRAt Bill Clinton that bankers, and other large corporation to lend loans to Americans who could not pay them, furthering leading us into the Depresison in which we are in.

Many Republicans in power also passed UnConstitutional laws, furthering dismantling the REPUBLIC, and doing a disservice to what a REAL Republican is, an advocate of this REPUBLIC which the forefathers of this nation fought and bled for...

[edit on 17-4-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by Mercenary2007
reply to post by Sestias

 

It took Franklin Roosevelt and his New Deal to set the country back on the road to recovery. That included a huge economic stimulus as well as government-funded jobs programs. It worked, though it took awhile to dig the country out of the deep pit it had dug for itself.

Sorry your a little off on your facts here. It is widely known that Roosevelt's New deal was ultimately a complete failure and most of the New Deal was repealed by the congress. What ended the Great Depression was the Outbreak of WWII and the U.S. Government flooding the economy with war spending. Plus the Allies of the U.S. Flooding the U.S. economy with war spending as well to replace their ships,tanks, airplanes, and ammo that had been used or destroyed.

Could you clarify for me on what exactly got us out of the Depression? Was it massive government spending, or was it massive government spending? Because both the New Deal and WW2 were examples of massive government spending and a huge increase in government programs...

I think if we look at history clearly and with an unbiased eye we'll see that both instances lifted the US out of its depression. I know the bailouts suck, they really do...but they are the only tactic we know of to fight such a massive collapse. Had we done nothing but sit and watch the free market eat itself for dinner, half of you here complaining about the bailouts would instead be creating threads on how you're fed up with waiting 6 hours in line for your chicken and broth.

And yes I know most of you have backup plans or you claim to be able to grow your own food, bla bla bla, etc., but sometimes circumstances outside of your control can make the self-sustaining cowboy rancher farmer patriot soldier image you have of yourself completely unrealistic. Look up the Dust bowl.

Now, as to the Teabaggers, good for them for doing it. The fact that they can take the time off of work to go and protest is enough evidence for me that 1. Their taxes aren't that prohibitive, and 2. The stimulus is working

As for the congresswoman, I'm sure she's just playing in to her constituents, or she's bought in to the MSM propaganda and only sees one side of the coin and not both.

reply to post by The Nighthawk


wow it didn't take hardly any time for democrat apologist like yourself to come in here and spew disinformation!

in 1933 Roosevelt removed the U.S. from the gold standard! (Part of the new deal that was repealed in 1939) after recalling all the gold in the U.S. and banning the pocession of gold by the general public!

in the lead up to the U.S. entering WWII Britain was buying U.S. Ships, tanks, airplanes, ammo and food. that gave the U.S. an influx of money as well.

In the lead up to the U.S. entering WWII the U.S. had the largest peacetime draft in history. Just about every Male over the Age of 18 was conscripted into military service. and a good majority of women were working in the factories. Durring the Great depression The U.S. only lost ONE THIRD of its manufactiring ability. After the influx of war spending the Manufacturing sector quickly regaind that lost 1/3 and then some!

The war bonds were funded because the American public finally had some money to buy them with. And they didn't have that money because of the NEW DEAL they had it because of WWII. The new deal was repealed in 1939!

So before you try to attack someone you might want to get your facts straight!

Also since oviously your a democrat since you want to put the blame for anything wrong in this country on the republicains and you think the Democrats try to fix everything. you might actually want to check into those claims.

FDR was one of the most socialist Presidents we had comming in 2nd the Barrack Obama! and if you did any reseach you would know that just as much damage if not more has been done by democrat presidents than republican presidents.

[edit on 4/17/2009 by Mercenary2007]

reply to post by Avenginggecko


the New deal hardly did any spending, it was massive reforms placing government oversight on sectors of the economy. and Putting laws and regulations in place to keep another great depression from EVER Happening again.

What ultimately ended the great depression was the out break of WWII and the spending the U.S. did to build up a huge military before formally joining WWII.

Before 1941 the U.S. official involvement in WWII was building a military to fight a war they knew they would have to enter at some point, and building ships planes and bullets for the Allies. and to provide food for the allies since they couldn't provide enough of their own food to support themselves.

Originally posted by Mercenary2007
reply to post by The Nighthawk

 

wow it didn't take hardly any time for democrat apologist like yourself to come in here and spew disinformation!

Disinformation? That's funny. I was just reiterating everything every single one of my schoolteachers, and my parents' schoolteachers, and pretty much every serious historian not on the Republican Party's corporate payroll has been saying since the early 1940's.

in 1933 Roosevelt removed the U.S. from the gold standard! (Part of the new deal that was repealed in 1939) after recalling all the gold in the U.S. and banning the pocession of gold by the general public!

Because the moneyed aristocracy was hoarding it as the only "safe money" bet left in an economy where paper and coin was useless.

in the lead up to the U.S. entering WWII Britain was buying U.S. Ships, tanks, airplanes, ammo and food. that gave the U.S. an influx of money as well.

None of which would have been possible without the New Deal.

In the lead up to the U.S. entering WWII the U.S. had the largest peacetime draft in history. Just about every Male over the Age of 18 was conscripted into military service. and a good majority of women were working in the factories. Durring the Great depression The U.S. only lost ONE THIRD of its manufactiring ability. After the influx of war spending the Manufacturing sector quickly regaind that lost 1/3 and then some!

Again, the "war spending" would not have been possible without the New Deal.

The war bonds were funded because the American public finally had some money to buy them with. And they didn't have that money because of the NEW DEAL they had it because of WWII. The new deal was repealed in 1939!

Specifically which parts?

So before you try to attack someone you might want to get your facts straight!

Like you did? Where did you even get your "facts" anyway?

Also since oviously your a democrat since you want to put the blame for anything wrong in this country on the republicains and you think the Democrats try to fix everything. you might actually want to check into those claims.

Oh, not all Democrats are saints. Many are as traitorous to liberty and progress as the Republicans. But we largely police our own; when we're unhappy with our reps we get active in the party and work to replace them. Republicans such as Rush Limbaugh lie for people they don't support because they care more about elections than governing.

FDR was one of the most socialist Presidents we had comming in 2nd the Barrack Obama! and if you did any reseach you would know that just as much damage if not more has been done by democrat presidents than republican presidents.

If you had any idea what "Socialism" actually is you'd realize how asinine your statement is. But, since you can't even seem to spell half these words, I don't really expect you to know what you're talking about.

reply to post by weedwhacker


WW...You are certainly allowed to. You know what's odd? I'd no sooner stifle her rights to express herself than I would yours...can we honestly say the same about her? I don't think so, given that little tirade.

I know, personally, the three people that organized my local version of the "teaparty"...three people less likely to be corporate you'd be hard pressed to find.

Ravenshadow...correct me if I'm wrong here, but the Boston Tea Party (version 1.0, if you will) was about excessive taxation placed as a punitive measure on tea...this was a protest (less violent, too) about excessive taxation/spending by the govt. They are connected, at least in my mind.



[edit on 4/18/2009 by seagull]

Originally posted by The Nighthawk

Originally posted by Sestias
Give the recovery a chance before pronouncing it dead.
[edit on 17-4-2009 by Sestias]

Historical fact for you:

Thomas Paine was so liberal that were he alive today, he'd probably be labeled a Socialist.

Here's an excerpt from Thom Hartmann's radio show from Monday, where he speaks with historian Harvey Kaye about his new biography of Paine, and includes some points from Paine's own writings.

You must consider, if you have an all around grasp of whats going on and in a historical context, that it is very important to redefine Tom Pain right now. Kaye is probably cheery picking and spinning. Pain needs to be repackaged becouse the real Tom Paine is a dangerous ghost to the control freaks.

Pain would best be described, if one feels the need, as something other than a socialist using todays ideas. The socialists need to railroad Pain into a new definition as they have tried to do over the years with Hamilton. Although Hamilton may lend himself to the effort more than Pain, Hamilton did once refer to the political ideas in his day that wanted to institute social programs with tax money as "the vapors of a melancholy mind". (Federalist Papers)

"The Federal and State Government are in fact but different agents and trustees of the people, instituted with different powers, and designed for different purpose. The adversaries of the Constitution seem to have lost sight of the people altogether in their reasoning on the subject; and to have viewed these different establishments, not only as mutual rivals and enemies, but as uncontrolled by any common superior (the people) in their efforts to usurp the authorities of each other.

These gentleman need to be reminded of their error. They must be told that the ultimate authority wherever the derivative any be found, resides in the people alone; and that it will not depend merely on the comparative ambition or address of the different governments, whether either, or which of them, will be able to enlarge its sphere of jurisdiction at the expense of the other.

Truth no less than decency requires, that the event in every case, should be supposed to depend on the sentiments and sanction of their common constituents.

James Madison: The Federalist No 46

Arm yourselves with a copy of the Federalist Papers.

Stuff the open sewer holes that rail against the rights of man.

If I recall there was no income tax prior to WWI..is that correct..If so, how did America survive for a 100+ yrs..It all about income taxes..the Fed needs to end..That is the bottom line, whether you are a republican or ademonot..Keep the protest going for gods sake..

what is dispicable is that americans cannot get liberty restored from the NWO and the NWO media liars.

What is dipicable is that LIARS in media are calling Americans every name in the book, why is that? It is because the undermining politicians through the 50s unttil today have been DISPLACING the populace with foreign imigrants who do not initially feel as we do, privilidged to dissent. SO the leaders pull backdoor eviscerations over time of constitution and freedom in order to facilitate a psychoticly contrived time and mind controlled slave propped up as a leader and fully purchased by losers- by which i am meaning winners.

Our politicians who do this are many, enough to damage today our nation state. I believe this is all from our friends, england, russia and china, maybe even arabias somewhere.

For all you vulcher foreigners in your ancient mindsets as you hate america, consider this. We represent freedom. You represent dictatorship and fear. A populace that lives in fear is easy to control. Maybe you dont like actually working, maybe its your leadership ethics that are flawed, not our sense of obedience to a flawed ancient deceptive state of affiars.

In fact i know so it is.

Alright yall, just checked my email and what do you know. Jan's email autobot replied to my outrage with THIS:

"Thank you for taking the time to get in touch and share your views with
me. If you are a resident of the 9th Congressional District and have
included your address, I will get back to you shortly. You don’t need to
do anything else.

If you live in the 9th Congressional District and have not included your
address, please do so and I will respond to your concerns. Unfortunately,
due to the large amount of correspondence, I can only respond to
constituents.


Sincerely,

Jan Schakowsky"


So I won't even get a response from this privileged cow.

You know what? How sick is it that we elect this type of garbage to run our country? I am now feeling guilty for all the times I voted.

Don't know how I missed this one...there is so much bashing going on about the protesters that this one slipped by me.

It's nice to see someone elected by the people..who is supposed to represent the people....INSULT the people.

Vote her out.

I'm growing tired of this nonsense.

People are just worried about their kid's futures....cripes....so let's treat them like garbage?

Enough is enough!

reply to post by David9176


Well, David....it's a cold day in Hades, but I agree with you. A little late to the party, but welcome!

I joke, jus' a leetle bit...

How many embarassing politicos, from both the Rep's and the Dem's, is Illi-noise going to pump out?

Oh no!!! I just set someone up!!! (To be clear, I was referring to this nut-job, and the Blag-Rod....NOT the current prez...but, my comments will likely be fodder for someone....)

I shouldn't have focused on just one State....there's plenty of embarassment to go around, from Rep. Bachmann of MN, to Sen. Craig of....ermmmm....ID, but arrested in MN....

It never seems to end....the gifts that keep giving....

Originally posted by weedwhacker
How many embarassing politicos, from both the Rep's and the Dem's, is Illi-noise going to pump out?

Oh no!!! I just set someone up!!! (To be clear, I was referring to this nut-job, and the Blag-Rod....NOT the current prez...but, my comments will likely be fodder for someone....)

I shouldn't have focused on just one State....there's plenty of embarassment to go around, from Rep. Bachmann of MN, to Sen. Craig of....ermmmm....ID, but arrested in MN....

It never seems to end....the gifts that keep giving....

As a resident of Chicago I thank you for pointing out that this is not just a Chicago or an Illinois problem.

Fact is politics are dirty no matter where you live or where you go. I grew up in a small town 2 hours from Chicago, and believe me, the politics there were just as bad (if not worse). If you weren't connected with the Old Money Folks, the guys who owned all the land and maintained the multi-generational cornerstone businesses, you didn't stand a chance in Hell of reaching any local or county office, and your chances of making a successful bid for a state office were slim at best (because all the Old Money Folks there were connected with the same kind of Folks in the other towns around, and they'd know whether or not you were a "team player", if you know what I mean--and I think you do).

Illinois, and Chicago specifically, gets a lot of bad press because it's where a lot of high-profile cases of wrongdoing have been uncovered, and as such a lot of extra attention is focused there. But, fact is, this kind of thing goes on everywhere--it just doesn't usually come to the attention of major news outlets. Having worked in small-town radio, and having a father who was the managing editor for the local paper, I can tell you one big reason is because the local media in smaller communities is generally reluctant to print or broadcast anything which might embarrass or upset the Old Money Folks, as the media relies on the Folks to provide revenue by purchasing ad space and airtime for their businesses.

As you might imagine, this has just a bit of a chilling effect on said media, nullifying any kind of serious investigative journalism or reporting. Thus, the same kind of Pay-For-Play politics goes on across the country, under the radar, and the People remain largely unaware that as they point to Illinois and Chicago and call us the dirtiest hole in America their own bosses, neighbors, landlords, lawyers, doctors, and the guy they bought their new car from are engaged in the exact same kind of chicanery for their own personal gain.

You want to solve America's problems? Get the money out of politics. Make all elections, from the dog-catcher to the President, 100% publicly-funded. No lobbyists, no "gifts", no bribery through "campaign contributions" or promises of a sweet, cushy "job" when that last term in Congress is over. Not only do you eliminate dirty politics, you pave the way for more independent candidates and small parties to wrestle power from the two major parties. Everybody wins except career politicians whose #1 priority is the next election and padding their "campaign fund" with extra cash they get to keep when they finally retire.

I don't care what anybody or the news says. I could care less about these tea parties. People have a right to protest.

We all know how much the protesting over the last 8 years effected the country...

I served my country, so I guess it's safe to say that I don't exactly have a warm spot in my heart for protesters. They don't bother me and I don't bother them (code pink comes to mind). I have a firm belief that the only difference between extremists in the US and other parts of the world is that ours think that they can hold up a sign and that their voice will somehow mean something.

Who knows maybe I am delusional.

Originally posted by schrodingers dog

Originally posted by DrZERO
The Federal Income Tax is an un-needed burden on a majority of households who watch 3 months worth of their income get looted by the Federal Government, only to have itbe handed over to the Privately Owned Federal Reserve as interest payments on the growing National Debt.

Mmm, indeed.

Yet I wonder how long the "teabaggers" would go before they started complaining at the lack of government services their taxes provide should they be withdrawn.

Just sayin' ...

4 Surfer dudes in Hawaii helped raise money through private donations to build a $4 million dollar stretch of road. Just saying... if 4 surfers could do it...

The thing is, there is other ways to go about getting the money to pay for "such" services... And that is where the argument lies. I for one do no trust the government with my money.

There are other ways to go about taxing the American people too. Replace the income and all federal state taxes with a consumption tax. Repeal the 16th amendmant and put government on a budget... Lets make government spending more transparent to "We the People." After all, its our money.



[edit on 19-4-2009 by Fox News]