You are being lied to about pirates

reply to post by Ciphor


Apparently you have not read even one word of what I have posted. Either that or you choose to misunderstand it because it doesn't fit with your theory of the hard working pirate fighting for his downtrodden people.

I, on the other hand, fully understand what you are saying with regard to the Somalis having it pretty rough. What I don't understand is why they aren't helping their own people.

You claim I think it's all about money? Wrong. You missed my entire point. It's about food. It's about medicine. It's about a better life.

You have presented the image of the pirate as fighting for his people. I have questioned it since the only thing they appear to be fighting for is their pocketbooks and their gambling as evidenced in numerous interviews with locals who clearly state that weapons and gambling are industries that are benefitting from the ransom money.

Not food. Not medicine. Not a better life for the downtrodden Somalis.

Your attempt to misrepresent my opinion as being only about money and against the people is weak.

I have yet to see anything from you or anyone else demonstrating that the pirates give a damn about the citizens YOU claim they are trying to stand up for.

Please spare me the "they're doing it for media attention to bring their hard lives into the spotlight" as well because the media attention has only portrayed them as rag tag morons (who drowned trying to ferry back some ransom money) or celebrated for being picked off by American snipers. Obviously their media campaign is working them wonders...

Are some of you actually thinking of seeing this from the pirates point of view? Nothing has happened in the country or its waters in the last 20 years that Somalians didn't approve and know about. The Warlords got a cut of the money from the dumping and the seafood. The ransom money is funding the al shabab insurgency. The al shabab insurgency, in its naked pursuit of power, is currently at war with a former ally with whom it has ideological differences, Sheik Ahmed.

The whole Somalia issue is an indicator of what is happening in your own world...when the guns go silent there, will you be under the yoke of Shah or the quantum scepter of some other person who will remain unnamed?

At this point in the war supporting the somalian pirates is support for lawlessness in general. they are not victims they have simply chosen to be hijackers on the high seas. The vast majority of somalians probably grow food and raise animals like everyone else on the planet, those guys are just greedy.

reply to post by Djarums


I apologize. My passion has thrown my manners out the window.

I understand that the warlords are bad people as well. But they are just another group who are exploiting the PEOPLE of Somalia.

I'm looking through the eyes of the individuals who live in the pain, not the warlords who put this together, they are taking advantage of the people just like the rest of us.

You wanted proof? I gave it. The faces of the men and woman captured. They have no money, no future, just what they have done.

Proof: /d9xyxu

A picture tells a thousand words DJarums. Now if you care to argue this then I ask only that you offer an alternative and equally likely reason for them being happy about being captured knowing there fate.

These people, sorry people is wrong word, they are KIDS goddamnit. these skinny kids literally have Nothing to lose. I can't take it anymore, I want to do something and feel like I can't. it eats me up at night thinking about my comfy butt on a nice bed while kids who look more like skeletons die by the millions so a few can have really nice stuff. I hate being a human. It's only misery.

Here's a few more details I'm still chewing on, first off, has anyone been on an freighter/oil tanker? Is so, you should quickly understand how difficult it will be to 'board' such a vessel.

2nd, a standard freighter's deck is about 60ft to the water line, the only way to get on board that I know of is by gangway.

60ft to the water line.hmmmm..also, think about this, the bridge has monitors of all the camera's on board and are monitored, pretty sure depending on the cargo, 24/7. Most of which are placed at crucial areas of the ship to ensure the cargo stays secure.

A dingy somehow, was used to board a freighter with no gangway, 60ft below the deck, with no one knowing, at night no less probably, in international waters....

Well if all this is true, then these pirates are WAY more experienced in boarding that your average person. Just to get on the damm ship is a feat in itself IMO. Why? you'll need at least 100ft of rope just to be sure you got enuf for the grappling hook and oh.. don't forget about the LOUD noise it will make when it makes contact against the hull. LOL

that is, if you make it the first time without missing the edge for it to grab on to.

ALSO, why was the freighter even CLOSE to an area that as been on the U.S. State Department charts as being know for pirating! ??

travel.state.gov...

Shoot, US consulate affairs as been giving warnings about traveling to SOMALIA...but, the freighter completely ignored this warning ??

U.S. citizens who travel to Somalia despite this Travel Warning are urged to register through the State Department's travel registration website, travelregistration.state.gov... and obtain updated information on travel and security from the U.S. Embassies in neighboring countries.

Travelers to the self-declared "Republic of Somaliland" should register with the U.S. Embassy in Djibouti, and travelers to Puntland or southern Somalia should register with the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi.

putting 2+2 together.. something just don't add up..

Originally posted by News And History
The pirates were bullied for years before they actually struck back against the invaders. Long live the pirates (at least the ones, who weren't shot down, recently)! The world-government is a group of blood-thirsty people, who prefer to target oppressed people.

The governments of this world have been raping, stealing, and massacring people for centuries. We need to throw them out of their castles & bunkers. We must cut their life-support.

[edit on 12-4-2009 by News And History]

I hear that!

I feel more apprehension for the PTB who bully around with that sham United Nations to hide behind than desperate pirates hitting back against them.
They won't arm the merchants cause that would hand too much power away (and they don't want that do they!) so they are using the pirates as an excuse to have a UN taskforce on the prowl.
It reeks of a NWO agenda in the making especially seeing Hillary 'Flag burner' Clinton smoozing up to the cameras with new plans to attack Somalia.

The pirates have been pushed, and now they are pushing back!

The whole thing is crazy.

The bottom line is there was a shipment of arms from Russia to Kenya brought to my attention in the mainstream news via a story of some pirates stumbling upon a random ship full of weapons.

How many got through without anybody knowing? Why move weapons down to Kenya?

Is Obama going to tolerate this?

Couple of things :

---Why are the coastal populations began to sicken when at that same coastal cities/areas began to emerge with huge villa's and condo's? bought from the ransom money (our money!)

---Why would countries dump nuclear waste over there and fish at the same time (mentioned before)


---What "European" countries are we talking about?, most EU countries i know storrage their waste glassified/vitrified, transmutate/ recycle/or breed the material...specially from hospitals according to CERN and IAEA directives

---The only credit i can give is the fishing over there, in most cases countries like Japan pay local authorities/communities to fish their seas..

---But plundering Africa like some inbred Vikings? Somalia is a failed state, countries as Tanzania used to unite the tribes in their countries by socialism or at least a healthy form of an authoritarian state..Somalia failed to unite their tribes. Most African countries maintain higer tariffs[VER's] as the EU.Our CAP subsidies are only lowering at the moment.
Out of guilt feelings Western countries are paying billions and billions of Euro's in aid nowadays , instead of helping this only makes those governments more corrupt and powerfull over their people, plundering their people and keeping money from them. Example? the 300 million dollar biggest church in the world "Basilique Notre-Dame de la Paix" in Ivory coast paid from our aid/money..



Smart (former) developing countries such as South Korea, Signapore used Gerscherkronian strategies to let Multinationals operate (or subcontract) within enclaves in their countries, to produce for export only thus shielding domestic producers from direct competition, while learning and absorbing tacit knowledge..


---Why do people swallow stories so fast coming from some (all)black community commie-loving newspaper?


They should blockade the coast with ships, acoustic seamines and bomb those coastal villa's and pirates HQ's..enough of it!!, people i know sail those sea's(Smit Tak-Heerema which helps store sunken ships like the Kursk sub) working for their families..people need to start recognizing there's no such thing as easy money...



[edit on 16-4-2009 by Foppezao]

Originally posted by Djarums
like the 5,000 tons of relief aid that was on board the Maersk Alabama and destined for Kenya, Uganda, and yes... Somalia?

That's worthy of a quote and another mention.

Those pirates hijacked RELIEF SUPPLIES.

So back to the original story .... I say that the National Black Newspaper is full of crap and their story COULD BE bigotted and/or racist in nature.

It's been well documented on this thread and others that somalia is being abused by foreign powers. Transporting weapons, dumbing waste and stealing fish is a huge thing. These guys are heroes. So they board a relief ship, are they supposed to be psychic and know before hand what the vessel is carrying?
And Foppezao, what the hell does communist have to do with this? Frankly it's you who seem racist

Obviously the government is playin games out there.
How else can it be there are STILL ships who's routes cross "pirate" territory?
How hard can it be to just drive a big bow around somalia?

reply to post by PsykoOps



Keep your panties on.. what's all this throwing with racist terms? The source of the OP is a black 100% biased news source, sorry for calling them commie-loving?
What i'v seen about that site is all coming from some complex being mistreated (in the past), it's biased.period...


You know who's a "pirate" hero?[amongst our other sea heroes] Piet Heyn, captured the Spanish treasure [silver] fleet[which they stole from the America's] the money we used to liberate our great city of Den Bosch

reply to post by Pakd-on-mystery


The Big boats and vessels are already sailing around Cape of Good Hope[ghe the irony] instead of through the Suez canal [which before leads them straight through the bottleneck of gulf of Aden], they don't do that because they like the scenic coastal route of Africa... In the end most of them got captured in high seas, how far do you want to bent off?









[edit on 16-4-2009 by Foppezao]

reply to post by FlyersFan


You say that like the relief supply ships are marked. There not. Not that I think it's the point. The point is the west created this problem. They think throwing armed forces at it is going to stop it. It's not, it's going to make it worse.

Originally posted by Pakd-on-mystery
Obviously the government is playin games out there.
How else can it be there are STILL ships who's routes cross "pirate" territory?
How hard can it be to just drive a big bow around somalia?

I too have asked myself this question.

It seems that these situations are so very easily avoidable; so why do they keep sailing right into these waters; unless they are up to something no good.

Originally posted by NightSkyeB4Dawn

Originally posted by Pakd-on-mystery
Obviously the government is playin games out there.
How else can it be there are STILL ships who's routes cross "pirate" territory?
How hard can it be to just drive a big bow around somalia?

I too have asked myself this question.

It seems that these situations are so very easily avoidable; so why do they keep sailing right into these waters; unless they are up to something no good.

It seems to me as if obama IS trying to support them, but is trying to cover-up the support by just simply sending ships down that route and giving the pirates a head start on them...

Deny ignorance? More like embrace idiocy. So... shipping should simply avoid the Somali coast? Right.... How many posters here have ever been to sea? Probably not many. I consider myself a novice seaman as I only have about 20,000 nautical miles to my resume.

The hijacking situation is easily remedied by dictating to the lawless insurance companies that merchant crews be allowed to arm themselves without penalty to the shipping companies in the form of ridiculous premiums should they do so.

Defending piracy lacks in any moral way to account for the human rights of the seamen who's lives and livelihoods are at stake here.

Has the World forgotten about Somalia? Until this piracy hit the front page, yes. Somalia is a failed state with no recognizable government, and no path to peace. This by no means excuses criminal actions. Every person on this planet has the choice to either act morally or not, day to day, week to week.

Though I would consider my own political leanings to be liberal, I see no basis for the apologists here defending the criminal acts of these pirates.

Arm the Merchant Marine! Do it now!

Originally posted by PsykoOps
These guys are heroes.

These guys are thugs who steal for themselves.
These guys are murderers who kill for themselves.
They definately are NOT heroes.

So they board a relief ship, are they supposed to be psychic and know before hand what the vessel is carrying?

No. They are supposed to be civilized human beings and not board the ships at all. Not steal or kill. Not be selfish thugs.

They are being civilized. This is what happens when foreign powers invade a country and assault it's people with waste and steal their fish. If they wouldn't be civilized they would not do anything and in few years the whole coast would be wasteland and most of the people dead. To come together and risk your life in defense of your country and it's people is about as civilized as anything can be.

reply to post by PsykoOps


They aren't fighting toxic dumping. They are stealing relief supplies and killing those who are delivering them. They are holding hostages for millions of dollars and they are keeping it all for themselves.

That's not heroic. That's just being thugs.

Originally posted by PsykoOps
They are being civilized. This is what happens when foreign powers invade a country and assault it's people with waste and steal their fish. If they wouldn't be civilized they would not do anything and in few years the whole coast would be wasteland and most of the people dead. To come together and risk your life in defense of your country and it's people is about as civilized as anything can be.

ok, you think female genital mutilation is civilized? They do that just as glad as to jack our ships and trade money for human lives..



mm, or you trying to be funny, or this is really bad..



[edit on 16-4-2009 by Foppezao]