Why I dont buy the "tea party" protests

Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Yes... just ignore fox news, good ol' newt and all the Bush buddies, ignore the signs with "conservative" on it, ignore the folks outright comparing all libs to communists.... this isnt partisan

go back to fox. All the neocon buddies, the typical bushies, hannity who had no issue shutting out Paul and calling all liberal anti-american. Really... howmany times must you lie to yourself?

Once again, the liberal mindset in action (if you call that "action"). Weak.

WTF does "Liberal mindset in action" mean, really???

That is such such stupid ignorant statement I think it should receive an award

"liberal mindset" - you make it sound as if a certain belief system makes a human being STUPID or RETARDED. Sort of sounds like 30's nationalist German talk -

Zhat is zhe Jew mindset in action...
Your MINDSET is a slippery slope constructed of the worst mankind has to offer.

Originally posted by DarkSecret
but this time it got hijacked by FOX to help them with their falling ratings

I keep seeing people claim this, so I went and found this:

CNN Ratings Down; Fox, MSNBC Grow
In all of cable, Fox News finished the quarter as the second-most-watched network in primetime, behind only USA Network. CNN ranked 17th, MSNBC placed 24th and HLN, CNN’s sister news channel, came in 30th. For the total programming day, Fox News was 5th, CNN was 14th and MSNBC was 28th.

Fox News also dominated the list of top news analysis programs, claiming nine of the top 10 spots. “The O’Reilly Factor” finished first, averaging 3.4 million viewers and posting a 27% gain over last year. “O’Reilly” also wrapped up the month of March with its 100th consecutive month in the No. 1 spot. Following “O’Reilly” in the top five were “Hannity” (2.7 million), “Glenn Beck” (2.2 million), “Special Report With Bret Baier” (2 million) and “The Fox Report With Shepard Smith” (1.9 million). MSNBC broke into the top 10 with “Countdown With Keith Olbermann,” which averaged 1.4 million viewers for the quarter.

So no, they weren't trying to make up for falling ratings.

i don't think many got the idea that tea parties were against both republicans and dems and against their way of spending trillions in the past 3 decades.

There are many people who have just ignored that. Seems to be a "I don't think that way, so no one else does either. And if they do, they must be whackos" line of thinking.

as for the CNN & Co, they made too much fun of these citizens who expressed their discontent in a very peaceful way. what's worse is that they focused on the fringe groups holding racist banners and questioning BO's birth certificate. obviously any meeting will have a certain number of loonies and CNN & Co only focused on them instead of the actual ideas they were protesting.

Exactly. I went to the CNN website and watched a live-feed with absolutely no commentary during the protests. The majority of people weren't holding racist banners or banners about Obama. There will be loons whenever a large group of people gather, regardless of the cause for the gathering. You can't take a few people hand-picked from the crowd by a reporter who completely disagreed with what they were doing and think that they are a representative sample of the kind of people who went to the tea parties. I just wish that all the stations had just broadcast live feeds with minimal commentary so that everyone who didn't go could have seen what was really going on for themselves.

Originally posted by Jenna

Originally posted by DarkSecret
but this time it got hijacked by FOX to help them with their falling ratings

I keep seeing people claim this, so I went and found this:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Watch the first video... Inform yourself, SG is referring to an specific and noted methods of manipulation in regards to FOX news / GOP.

Do yourself a favor and watch it, inform yourself, make your own conclusions and then
see if you still think SG is unreasonable to suspect what he does. But it seems as if you are unaware of the history shaping manipulation that has been very active in the past decade. I do not doubt that some are real deal per the movements message, but I am
very certain there is also alterer motive up the yang hole in many cases.



[edit on 18-4-2009 by mental modulator]

A nice article from Fortune (not exactly known as a liberal mouthpiece) about why the "Tea Party" nonsense is built on a foundation of raw BS:

Fortune: Tea Tax Party Time?

The irony of these protests is that federal revenues as a share of the gross domestic product will be lower this year than any year since 1950. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the federal government will take only 15.5% of GDP in taxes this year, compared to 17.7% last year, 18.8% in 2007 and 20.9% in 2000.

So despite all the phony populist rhetoric, the .gov is actually pulling less money out of the economy now, not more.

The story goes on to point out how the tax burden in the US is pretty low compared to most of the modern world, with all kinds of annoying facts and figures that the "tea party" people aren't going to bother to read, because the facts tend to get in the way of their ideological zeal

reply to post by mental modulator


The claim was: Fox promoted their coverage/promoted the tea parties because of their falling ratings.

My response: Fox's rating have not fallen, here's an article that lists their ratings for the first quarter.

Manipulation or not, they weren't doing it because of low ratings. If that were the case then MSNBC and CNN would have had a lot more/better coverage than sexual innuendos and references.


reply to post by xmotex


Hard to get revenue when the people aren't working. Can't pay taxes if you have no income, so yeah I'd imagine the government isn't getting much from all the people who are now without jobs.

[edit on 18-4-2009 by Jenna]

reply to post by xmotex


Seems like the article points out, without actually saying, that Bush & Co.
did a better that mediocre job in helping us out.

When the time arrives to start paying for the current spending, I have to wonder if the current charts will reflect that same trend...

Originally posted by Jenna
Once again trying to claim you weren't talking about what was right there in black and white.

No you refuse to listen. My comment was intended for howmuch a joke it is that fringers had to dig what he said in 2007 and purposefully ignore his 2011 stance throughout the primaries that they had no issue with before... until it became apparent that his 2011 promise was to be fulfilled. This isnt about whether this man fulfills his promises, this is about you having find issue with anything he does.

Nobody had an issue with his 2011 stance last year, until he confirmed that promise, so people here dug into 2007. Its just pathetic.

Nope, I pointed out all the cries of racism against anyone who disagrees with Obama ever since it became apparent that he would likely win the election. I countered your statement that it wasn't happening here when it clearly has.

I never said it wasnt happening, I said not all Obama supporters and I said it wasnt happening in this thread. One again your not reading my comments clearly.

Did I say that you were only ignoring points I have made?

Thats the thing, "points", whats "points"? for the most part your replies having to go off topic. I dont care what you think is a point, Im only going to reply to things I think is relevant to the thread.

There have been many points by many posters that you haven't really countered.

Fringe points? You fellas have habits of trolling threads and derailing it with garbage, and Ill reply where I see fit.

Nope, it's your opinion, and CNN's opinion, and MSNBC's opinion, and Nancy Pelosi's opinion.

yes fox news, bush n company running these protests had nothing to do with the partisanship in it. You tell yourself that.

Of course not. You're too busy blaming everything on Fox

I wasnt blaming everything on fox Jenna. If you actually read the OP I was refering to fox and their past support for unconstitutional laws, their shutting out of ron paul movements. And it wasnt just them, it was the histories of the politicians who spoke at these rallies.

You dont care though Jenna that the movement is been hijacked by former bushies because you obviously are one, posing as a non-partisan, like everybody else here. If you werent, you would have realized that movement was nothing more than an attempt to re-establish GOP leaders for 2012.

to look at the hypocrisy behind parroting MSNBC and CNN.

The last time I saw, MSNBC wasnt running our anti-protests, Nancy Pelosi wasnt one of the speakers, infact we protested infront of her house in the last antiwar protest.

Didn't have to. Anyone who disagrees with you or Obama's policies is a fringer.

Once again I will ask you, where did I say everyone?

Yet when they exercise that right you say they shouldn't be because there weren't tea parties while Bush was in office.

Once again putting words to what I said. I never said that Jenna. I simply highlighted the hypocrisy of these protests, the partisanship, and you, so emotionally attatched to them, are acting overly defensive.

Now cant I exercise my right to be critical of these protests?

As will the liberals who think spending is ok now that Obama is in office

His not spending it on false imperialist wars, his spending it to keep the nation afloat on the american people, and myself along with the majority of other americans are right behind him.

Oh please. Show me where I said it was all the media's fault.

You said you didnt blame the media for anything, yet you had no issue blaming MSNBC and CNN for the coverage.

Sorry but multiple sexual innuendos and references isn't reporting.

A protest with what is majority bushies complaining about why the president is forcing them to pay any taxes isnt exactly news either. Theres currently an investigation on into Bushes torture memos, really important stuff you know.

Yeah, it's hypocritical.

You got it. Finally. it took you so long to admit it.

But no more hypocritical than pitching a fit over things Bush did but being perfectly fine with Obama and his administration doing them.

what did Obama invade Iran under false reasons? oh no didnt he just take foreign citizens, dumpt them without representation and torture them? is he forcing you to pay your taxes!?

According to MSNBC and CNN. They would have you believe that

You notice not once did I reference MSNBC and CNN? Ill leave you to make the groundless accusations.

Really? Did you actually read what I quoted from your posts? Did you actually read your own posts when you posted them to begin with?

You claimed I told you not to reference anything before 2009, which I clearly didnt. Thats that.

Well that answers those questions. I wasn't the one who talked about 2007. But you apparently didn't bother checking where I got your quotes from.

right.

Originally posted by Jenna

Opps: www.barackobama.com...

dated 2007

Nope, but you're trying to claim they all do.

Didnt say all, but out of curiosity get me one protestor that didnt dislike Obama.

Yes, despite your repeated claims that you aren't labeling anyone.

Well one of your agreed posters claimed I called them all kooks, the religious wacko ones who intend to make this nation christian against the constitution and to install christian based laws, I said they were all kooks, which they are. Didnt label everybody.

I've answered your OP twice

You'v only recently replied and admitted (might I add) what I claimed in my OP.


[edit on 18-4-2009 by Southern Guardian]

reply to post by xmotex


Most of the anger towards the government have no grounds. Mostly its just the "socialism" charge, and the fact Obama is forcing them to pay taxes. These protests for the most part are misguided anger, but then again the protestors, most of them former Bushies and conservatives who sympothize with fox and the bush politicans, allow their anger to be misguided in anycase.

reply to post by Southern Guardian


Did anyone see the Friday, 18 April USA Today cartoon (actually from the 'Record', Hackensack, NJ)?

Postman delivering mail, "Here's your foreclosure relief, Medicare reimbursement, Social Security check and your wife's unemployment assistance..."

Man with Tea Party sign says, "Leave 'em in the box...I'm late for the anti-tax rally..."

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
You dont care though Jenna that the movement is been hijacked by former bushies because you obviously are one, posing as a non-partisan, like everybody else here.

You are so far off the mark here that it's almost funny. No actually it is, it is down right hilarious. I was nothing but critical of Bush and didn't vote for the man once. I don't expect you to know that since you were not registered here prior to Obama being inaugurated.

It's funny that you think everyone in this thread who disagrees with you is a "Bushie" or a former one. Would you like to say you didn't call us all that now? Maybe backtrack a bit?

I simply highlighted the hypocrisy of these protests, the partisanship, and you, so emotionally attatched to them, are acting overly defensive.

Now cant I exercise my right to be critical of these protests?

You most certainly can. But to ignore your own hypocrisy in the process is just ridiculous.

His not spending it on false imperialist wars

Really?

Obama seeks $83.4 billion more in 2009 war funds
WASHINGTON, April 9 (Reuters) - President Barack Obama asked the U.S Congress on Thursday for an extra $83.4 billion to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan this year, citing threats from al Qaeda and a resurgent Taliban.

The request, to cover the rest of the 2009 fiscal year which ends on Sept. 30, comes on top of more than $822 billion that Congress has approved to fund the wars since September 2001, Obama said.

Now, what were you saying about Obama not spending a lot of money on the wars?

You said you didnt blame the media for anything, yet you had no issue blaming MSNBC and CNN for the coverage.

Incorrect. I said that the turnout for the tea parties was pretty good considering the lack of mention by any media outlet besides Fox.

Theres currently an investigation on into Bushes torture memos, really important stuff you know.

There are also more important things than the President's new dog and that his wife dared to touch the Queen of England, but that was all over the news for days. Heck the dog still is. But coverage of the tea parties wasn't important enough for more than five minutes of sex jokes?

You claimed I told you not to reference anything before 2009, which I clearly didnt. Thats that.

Nope, you just tried to imply that cries of racism from around September don't count since it didn't happen in this thread.

Originally posted by Jenna

Opps: www.barackobama.com...

dated 2007

Wow.. You're really reaching aren't you? Not only did you add the little "Originally posted by Jenna" to that, you also added Oops to it too. That came from here and my name is nowhere in that post, nor was it written by me.

Well one of your agreed posters claimed I called them all kooks,

Wrong. Nice try though.

They said:

Originally posted by jerico65
You are right, these protests, like any other, will be drawing every kook out of the woodwork that wants to be heard.

You said:

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Kooks. Id say the vast majority are kooks thankyou.

Jerico didn't call them all, or even the vast majority, kooks, you did.

And you can ignore my responses to your OP all you like. It just shows that you aren't here looking for a discussion unless it consists of complete agreement with you on everything you've posted. I disagree with you on many points, so I must be a "Bushie", a "fringer", and whatever other label you'd like to toss my way. Feel free to label me all you like, it doesn't hurt my feelings one bit. I find it rather amusing.


edit: fixed quote tags

[edit on 18-4-2009 by Jenna]

This has perspective:



if you can get through the boring nature of the presenter. For some reason, in this video, KD seems really boring.

reply to post by pluckynoonez


Boring is the understatement of the century...

I am trying to nod thru it... has anyone ever tried a cwoffee I.V???

Originally posted by Jenna
You are so far off the mark here that it's almost funny. No actually it is, it is down right hilarious. I was nothing but critical of Bush and didn't vote for the man once. I don't expect you....

Again Ill repeat what I said. You do not care that those protests were nothing but another GOP movement attempt in preparation for 2012, you dont care of the deep involvement and management of the protests by former Bushies. You dont care. Maybe its because you need the numbers, you cant be angry at both sides, I dont know, but you dont care that the movement was hijacked.

You most certainly can.

Wonderful then allow me to exercise that right then. Ill be critical of the protests and you can counter directly why the involvement of bushies have no effect on the real message of those protests.

Really?


Obama seeks $83.4 billion more in 2009 war funds
WASHINGTON, April 9 (Reuters) - President Barack Obama asked the U.S Congress on Thursday for an extra $83.4 billion to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan this year, citing threats from al Qaeda and a resurgent Taliban.

The request, to cover the rest of the 2009 fiscal year which ends on Sept. 30, comes on top of more than $822 billion that Congress has approved to fund the wars since September 2001, Obama said.

Im sorry he didnt wage war on Iraq under lies. He came into office with the war happening and it didnt matter whether he withdrew within a couple of weeks the war would still be costing billions.

Now a gradual withdrawal from Iraq, that is a withdrawal with us cleaning the mess we left behind is the least we can do Jenna. Unrealistic for you to think we can move 150,000 troops out of that nation, who have been based there for 5years, under a year, without leaving that nation in a complete mess. Lets be real here.

There are also more important things than the President's new dog and that his wife dared to touch the Queen of England

Id say thats more important than watching a majority bush fest complain about the government.

Good on the media, the rest of the nation and the world for not paying attention. Fringers lost their credibility a while back.

Nope, you just tried to imply that cries of racism from around September don't count since it didn't happen in this thread.

Thats because my statement was directed at this thread specifically, not the time or date. Neither does it count for one member to proclaim all Obama supporters play the race card, but then have nothing to back it up in this thread or others.

Originally posted by Jenna

Opps: www.barackobama.com...

dated 2007

Wow.. You're really reaching aren't you?

Yet you readily agreed with that member didnt Jenna? So again, why are you having to go all the way back to 2007 to some pre-primary debate to find something on this man? Are you running out of excuses? 2011 was his stance and always was during primaries. Nobody (including yourself) cared here about that fact until recently, when his 2011 promise was going to be fulfilled and you could not complain anymore.... then you jumped back to purposefully search for anything else. Which begs the question, are your concerns real? Or are you just trying to make something out of it constantly?

Now I didnt say you couldnt go back to 2007 I said it was pritty pathetic given the circumstances highlighted above.

Wrong. Nice try though.

You said:

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Kooks. Id say the vast majority are kooks thankyou.

Jerico didn't call them all, or even the vast majority, kooks, you did.

I said the vast majority, not all Jenna. You accused me of saying all. So you just disproved yourself right there. Next.

[edit on 18-4-2009 by Southern Guardian]

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Again Ill repeat what I said.

I'm sure you will. Doesn't change the fact you called me a "Bushie" and a "fringer", though you try to deny it, without knowing anything about my stance on Bush.

Wonderful then allow me to exercise that right then. Ill be critical of the protests and you can counter directly why the involvement of bushies have no effect on the real message of those protests.

That has been countered so many times, and ignored so many times, that I'd rather not waste my breath thanks. It doesn't matter what I or any one else says, you'll just call us "Bushies" and "fringers" for disagreeing with you, and then deny you did it. What's the point?

Im sorry he didnt wage war on Iraq under lies. He came into office with the war happening and it didnt matter whether he withdrew within a couple of weeks the war would still be costing billions.

That's what I thought you would switch to. You said he wasn't spending money on "imperialistic wars", I showed he is, you counter with "Yeah but Bush started it".

I agree we have to withdraw from Iraq gradually, and have taken a lot of flak for it here. But that wasn't the point. You claimed he wasn't spending money on the wars, and in fact he asked for more money to cover them than what was already approved.

Id say thats more important than watching a majority bush fest complain about the government.

You can't be serious... What kind of dog the Obama's picked is more important than protests around the country over government spending? A dog is more important than what people think about government spending?

Neither does it count for one member to proclaim all Obama supporters play the race card, but then have nothing to back it up in this thread or others.

Did you go look through any threads for yourself to see if it was true? I didn't think so.

Yet you readily agreed with that member didnt Jenna? So again, why are you having to go all the way back to 2007 to find dirt on this man? Are you running out of excuses? 2011 was his stance and always was during primaries. Nobodied (including yourself) cared here until recently, when his 2011 promise was going to be fulfilled and you could not complain anymore.

Did I? I looked at my post history from this thread, and not once did I respond to that poster or respond to you agreeing with them. I didn't comment on what Obama said about pulling out of Iraq at all. I see you didn't bother trying to defend your attempt to play that off as something I posted though.

And how exactly would you know if I cared when Obama promised to pull out of Iraq? Did you ask me? I don't recall being asked, and I know I didn't volunteer the information.

I said the vast majority, not all Jenna.

You've called people in this thread and at the protests a lot of things, sorry it's getting difficult to keep them all straight.

Goodluck with the next "tea party" folks. Hopefully this time you will actually get some good numbers, you wont have to associate yourselves with the bushies and fox, and maybe you will read urban dictionary before you start naming the protests specifically




joemygod.blogspot.com...

this just gets better.

[edit on 18-4-2009 by Southern Guardian]

Originally posted by Jenna
That's what I thought you would switch to. You said he wasn't spending money on "imperialistic wars", I showed he is, you counter with "Yeah but Bush started it".

He didnt spend money waging war Jenna. You clearly understood that. But ofcourse your issues with the man are running dry so you must blame him for things he didnt start.

Right.


[edit on 18-4-2009 by Southern Guardian]

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Southern Guardian

 

Did anyone see the Friday, 18 April USA Today cartoon (actually from the 'Record', Hackensack, NJ)?

Postman delivering mail, "Here's your foreclosure relief, Medicare reimbursement, Social Security check and your wife's unemployment assistance..."

Man with Tea Party sign says, "Leave 'em in the box...I'm late for the anti-tax rally..."

I have got to check that cartoon out.... any links, would be much appreciated.

So funny, the governors as well who supposedly "opposed" the stimulus took them anyway. I tell ya, what a bunch of hypocrites.

[edit on 18-4-2009 by Southern Guardian]

This is just a small sample of the various videos I found on youtube of the "END THE FED" protests that happened last year.

Many of these people were out there on April 15th trying to spread the word..I've never seen so many signs railing against the fed in one single day. These people are trying to make others more aware..and in turn they are getting smeared.

Doesn't this bother some of you?

Here is one from April 15th..and the speakers railing against the fed.

Many of the people out here are just trying to wake people up SG. Many of the end the fed protesters were there just to try and inform others...more are waking up to it. It's helping.

Why are you slandering all of them?

It's not right.

reply to post by David9176


I dont see the Obama administration or any administration for that matter ending the fed. I disagree with Paulers on the economic side but realistic do you think if bushies buddies at those protests get back in they will elminate the fed? You folks protested with them, but how can you knowing full well how they ditched you in the cold think they will do so?

They pretend to share your ideal david, and before long it will be no different from the bush administration when their back in. Liberals such as myself disagree with your argument but atleast we aint foolin anybody, or posing as anybody. These guys are your using your movement as fuel to bring forth a new GOP movement.