Why do Atheists care about religion?

Originally posted by Anhero

And who can deny that Stalin and Mao, not to mention Pol Pot and a host of others, all committed atrocities in the name of a Communist ideology that was explicitly atheistic? Who can dispute that they did their bloody deeds by claiming to be establishing a 'new man' and a religion-free utopia? These were mass murders performed with atheism as a central part of their ideological inspiration, they were not mass murders done by people who simply happened to be atheist

So, the Crusades, the 100 years war, the elimination of the Latin and South American cultures, the Islamic Jihad, the pogroms, etc., shouldn't be considered, because they were performed in the name of some god or other? I guess not, as that would make the whole Hitler-Stalin think look hypocritical, and we can't have that, can we?

reply to post by Gawdzilla


Im not saying those things were okay. Show me some athiest leaders.. there would be a long list of people with religions who have led countries and did not use mass murder to silence athiests.

Originally posted by Anhero
reply to post by Gawdzilla

 

Im not saying those things were okay. Show me some athiest leaders.. there would be a long list of people with religions who have led countries and did not use mass murder to silence athiests.

So, you agree that many, many more wars were fought by religious leaders than atheist leaders? Hypocrisy, plain and simple, to make war in the name of peace.

Originally posted by Anhero
reply to post by Gawdzilla

 

Im not saying those things were okay. Show me some athiest leaders.. there would be a long list of people with religions who have led countries and did not use mass murder to silence athiests.

On another note, it was fatal to be an atheist under the Inquisition. So religious leaders have used "mass murder", except that people were usually smart enough not say what they truly believed under the heel of the church.

Deny history if you wish, but religions are dangerous and poisonous.

reply to post by Gawdzilla


no what i am saying as far as i know, When an athiest leads a country they have been mad men 100%. That statistic is not the same as those men who have led that have religion.

in a nut shell
Atheism- The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self-replicating bits which turned into dinosaurs.
amirite?

And you wonder why people look down on athiests

[edit on 28-4-2009 by Anhero]

This debate spans back to the Separation of Church and State. When the Church's power was disrupted.
As non-believers witnessed public torture and execution, they became more antagonistic.
To hold this view and vow against God(s), is a pre-ordained right, in many's opinions.

Originally posted by Anhero
reply to post by Gawdzilla

 

no what i am saying as far as i know, When an athiest leads a country they have been mad men 100%. That statistic is not the same as those men who have led that have religion.

Oh really? Then you can list all the countries that have been led by atheists?

Originally posted by Anhero
in a nut shell
Atheism- The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self-replicating bits which turned into dinosaurs.
amirite?

And you wonder why people look down on athiests

[edit on 28-4-2009 by Anhero]

Whereas the theists believe that the great sky fairy came down and made everything. But it's a different great sky fairy with each religion. And they all believe they're right and everybody else is wrong.

What? Too simplistic? It's just as simplistic as the babble I quoted.

Originally posted by Anhero
No what i am saying as far as i know, When an atheist leads a country they have been mad men 100%. That statistic is not the same as those men who have led that have religion

Not this one (I had the honor to meet him personally and I'm proud to say he was my president long time ago):

T I T O

No matter how you slice it, it's a ill desire for total domination (by man, never woman, go figure, lol) which made those man commit atrocities.

How exactly There Is No God idea justifies murdering fellow human beings ?

reply to post by Gawdzilla


Soviet Russia
Cambodia
Soviet republic of china
North Korea

Originally posted by Anhero
reply to post by Gawdzilla

 

Soviet Russia
Cambodia
Soviet republic of china
North Korea

Keep going.

reply to post by 5thElement


Tito was a great guy yeah another athiest leader and just like russia and cambodia we may never find all the mass graves.
oh tito say it aint so

[edit on 28-4-2009 by Anhero]

[edit on 28-4-2009 by Anhero]

Originally posted by Anhero
Tito was a great guy yeah another athiest leader and just like russia and cambodia we may never find all the mass graves.
oh tito say it aint so.

Oh, please, Javno is the BS source, Slovenian equivalent of what we call tabloids here in USA.

I'm the one who LIVED in that system, spent half of my there, you know, the first hand witness...

Of course, you can choose to believe BS to be true (in order to justify your ideas), but that is your personal choice, does not change reality of the world upon you

You still did not answer my question:

How exactly [There Is No God] idea justifies murdering fellow human beings ?

Originally posted by Anhero
in a nut shell
Atheism- The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self-replicating bits which turned into dinosaurs.
amirite?

lol. Not... at... all.

To try and sum up atheistic beliefs like this would be a similar order to me summing up Christianity by saying you all wear skulcaps and think blowing yourself up in the name of Jebus will result with you ending up in heaven with 70odd virgins.

Let's try this again, I'll mark in corrections.

in a nut shell
Atheism- The belief that there was nothing [something] and nothing [something] happened to nothing [something] and nothing [something] magically [by some sort of crazy, not-yet-understood physics] exploded [rapidly expanded] for no reason [since nature is inanimate, "reason" has nothing to do with it], creating everything [space-time & matter-energy] and then a bunch of everything [space-time & matter-energy] rearranged itself [through it's natural properties and 'cause and effect'] for no reason what so ever [-because all was inanimate] into self-replicating bits [by a process of abiogenesis] which turned into dinosaurs [by process of evolution].

Although it still wrong, the only universal commonality between all atheists is the disbelief in deities - none of the above need apply. Your non-sequitur straw-man argument is futile. From the atheist wiki that you linked to..

Definitions: Atheism is

* the positive belief that gods in general or any "maximally great being" does not exist.
* the lack of belief in a god or gods.
* a conviction that there is neither evidence nor necessity to believe in god(s).

Atheism is not a religion, as a religion is defined as a belief in a god or gods. Atheists simply do not believe in gods which are defined as supernatural, non-physical, spiritual entities. Atheists lack faith in this type of being in the same way they lack faith in the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Atheists generally pursue naturalism or have a scientific approach to life. As a result, Atheists tend to support the Theory of Evolution and its proponents.

The theory of evolution is backed up with any amount of evidence. Natural Selection makes sense. Perhaps the most basic human desire is a desire for order The theory of evolution describes change in an orderly fashion and there is evidence for it. The God hypothesis describes existence and ethics in a way that's superficially orderly but Christians can't look too closely into their religion or they begin to doubt.

[Atheist]

Simple enough?

[edit on 28-4-2009 by Welfhard]

reply to post by 5thElement

How exactly [There Is No God] idea justifies murdering fellow human beings ?

I do not know, im not an athiest. I do not think it is right but it just somthing that happens when an Athiest takes controll of a state. More BS?

just go to 5:00

reply to post by Welfhard


So in order to be an athiest must i have faith that one day science will be able to explain everything to me? Even Darwin did not call himeslf and athiest, he was agnostic.

[edit on 28-4-2009 by Anhero]

Originally posted by Anhero
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So in order to be an athiest must i have faith that one day science will be able to explain everything to me?

No, not in order to be an atheist. More like, 'if you were an atheist, you'd expect science to go on explaining everything' - but then again, maybe in the very nature of reality there are limits to what we can potentially learn.

For instance, the bigbang. Physicists explain that before the event, there was no time, but there was something, - a singularity. Maybe without time we will not be able to understand the singularity.

Originally posted by Anhero
reply to post by Welfhard

 

So in order to be an athiest must i have faith that one day science will be able to explain everything to me?

Why are religious people compelled in to stick "faith" into everything? When/if science explains "everything", the scientists will need a new job.

And now you can trot out that old "well, "god" resides in the things that can't be explained" nonsense. News for you, "god" used to reside in a statue in the back of a temple.

reply to post by Gawdzilla

Why are religious people compelled in to stick "faith" into everything?

Why do athiests cling to the theory of evolution, waiting for that missing link to show up? So whats the difference between a christian having faith that the "lord will save him" and and athiest having faith that science will be able to produce a missing link. Or explain how any form of life evolved from a sterile environment after the big bang. what created the big bang and what made it go bang?