Is Disney Conspiring to Undermine Easter?

reply to post by greeneyedleo


Oh it is ok to bash my religion, but not bash disney...lol...I know my history, thank you very much. The Church used vernacular traditions to to teach the new testament. The pagan symbols of the past, were a prefigurement to the salvation to come from the God of the Universe.

Pagan items of worship translated easily into symbols of Christianity. When you teach somebody a new idea you relate it to them, make it personal.

The egg for example, the pagan symbol of fertility. The Christians translate it into the symbol of new life. See? I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. The rabbit, another symbol of fertility... hops out in spring the way Jesus emerged from the tomb, symbol of renewal and ressurection.

Originally posted by Seekerof

Originally posted by stereovoyaged
If I was a billionaire, A Substancial , and I mean SUBSTANCIAL amount of my foturne would go to help ppl in need. Thats not a chrisitan thing, thats not a non believer thing, thats a humanity thing!

Again, so you claim.
Internet anonymity, ftw x 2.

As a Christian i'm assuming you would be very familiar with claims coming from annonoumous sources with no proof or abillity to back up information. Isnt' that what Christianity is based on? Faith? Have faith my brother that I am a good person and would very much like to help the less fortunate if I was in such a position.

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What's even more funny is when you non-Christians, who bash Christians and Christian holidays, actually observe some of them. Ironic, huh?

Holidays signify astrological events.

Why wouldn't we acknowledge them?

[edit on 10-4-2009 by 12.21.12]

Originally posted by Missing Blue Sky
reply to post by projectvxn

 

The popes hat is called a Mitre and it is made of of two shields. One shield represents the Old Testament and the second shield represents the New Testament. The two straps that flow down the back are there because they used to tied under the chin, when the Pope was traveling. That is no longer necessary, so now the two straps are decorative.

The Mitre has nothing to do with Easter Bunnies.

I'm well aware of what the hat is called. I just thought I would preemptively inject humor before people start trashing each other.

I know it has nothing to do with Easter bunnies, but as I said it is humor nothing more.

Originally posted by Missing Blue Sky
reply to post by greeneyedleo

 

Oh it is ok to bash my religion, but not bash disney...lol...I know my history, thank you very much. The Church used vernacular traditions to to teach the new testament. The pagan symbols of the past, were a prefigurement to the salvation to come from the God of the Universe.

Pagan items of worship translated easily into symbols of Christianity. When you teach somebody a new idea you relate it to them, make it personal.

The egg for example, the pagan symbol of fertility. The Christians translate it into the symbol of new life. See? I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. The rabbit, another symbol of fertility... hops out in spring the way Jesus emerged from the tomb, symbol of renewal and ressurection.

I'm not bashing your religion. As I dont really believe "religon" is of God. Its about personal relationship. IMO. I am a "born again (of the biblical sense) Christian" and I am bashing the secular observance of a man made holiday that we were never instructed to celebrate. MAN - not God made the holiday up and how its celebrated.

Shouldnt we, as Christians celebrate Jesus EVERY DAY in our hearts?

And sorry, I dont buy into nor agree with using pagan symbolism to teach of God/Jesus. God is God. He doesnt need any easter eggs to get his point across. And I would believe that God would take offense to all the easter cutesy stuff. He is much bigger then that and can reach the heart of man without all the pastel eggs and chocolate easter bunnies.

And if we are going to use pagan symbols, then why not use all? Why not use a Disney witch that performs spells to repesent Jesus who performed miracles. Whats good for the gander, is good for the goose, right?

None of this is a bash at YOU. I take issue with man made holidays in the name of God.

Originally posted by Missing Blue Sky
reply to post by greeneyedleo

 

Oh it is ok to bash my religion, but not bash disney...lol...I know my history, thank you very much. The Church used vernacular traditions to to teach the new testament. The pagan symbols of the past, were a prefigurement to the salvation to come from the God of the Universe.

Similarly, it's okay for you to bash Disney/pagans/the occult/everyone who thinks differently from you, but your "faith" is to be treated with kid gloves? Sorry, but reality doesn't work that way. You don't get an exemption or merit special treatment based on which imaginary friend you picked.

The point being made, which seems to have gone well above your head, is that Christians(tm) do NOT own any given holiday, and therefore should not expect others to cater to their expectations of what should and should not be televised on a given holiday. Period.

And frankly, the level of entitlement Christians seem to carry around with them everywhere they go explains a great deal of the negativity they are met with in various forums, imho. Not that pointing this out will do a lick of good, I realize, but it needs saying all the same.

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You are a refreshing voice for your cause. Its nice to hear some logic and meaning rather than god is great, god is good............Your rational and not hypersensitive to critisism and debate....Good Form!

Our Topic: Is Disney Conspiring to Undermine Easter?

We seem to have strayed from the premise of the thread and into a more generalized theological debate.

There's nothing wrong with theological debate, but we're currently in the General Conspiracies Discussion forum, and it is therefore appropriate to focus on the conspiratorial aspects of the topic.

Since there's already an entire forum dedicated to discussions of Religion, Faith, And Theology, let's focus on the question of Disney's possible designs on Easter in this thread.

Also, as always, let's please be sure to exchange our opinions politely and avoid the temptation to attack other members simply for holding different beliefs.

Thanks.

So, to keep this flowing, and to stay on topic as per our gracious mods, is anyone actually offended that Disney is doing this? Do you find it disrespectfull? Intollerant? etc. If there is anyone, I would LOVE elaboration as to how?

The anti Disney sentiment is nothing new for the Christians or at least the fundamentalist branches. I dragged my kids to church back in the late 80's and early 90's and heard all the rhetoric about Disney back then. Heck some called the Smurfs a dangerous plot against children because they "chanted magic in circles while dancing".

I celebrate Easter as a time to look back and take stock of things and prepare to move into spring and the joy of renewal. I have a traditional dinner for the family, baskets for the kids, and we make a wonderful day of it.

I have no issue with the way anyone sees to practice what they belive, I often go to the nice Lutheran Church across the street for holidays and it is very nice. The sense of community is a nice thing to be celebrated and they do wonderful things for the neighborhood. I just find it ridiculous when people try and put prohibitions on what those who don't see things there way totally as a violation of my rights and the rights of the majority.

FYI: The Vatican is full of more occult symbolism than any other place on the planet and the goddess that Easter is named after had a familiar animal....a hare or rabbit!

reply to post by quitebored


you were doing fine till you tossed in the "imaginary friend" comment. then you went from being a voice of reason for everyone, to a voice of reason for only your own paradigm. don't get me wrong, you can believe whatever you want but you can't strike an ecumenical position and then tell half of the people in the groups for which you are providing fair shelter, they are delusional worshippers of imaginary friends. you need to pick a position and stick with it - either you're tolerant of others or you're not.

Seriously, folks.

The easiest thing to do is to turn the TV off.

If this is an affront to any religious group, I'd suggest that they all get together and turn the TVs off, and leave them off.

It's very easy to affect the programming that is presented on any given station.

Organize a protest.

Disney can't affect the minds of those who aren't watching.

The most important of all Satanic holidays is the birthday of the individual Satanist. Of lesser importance are the following:

- Walpurgisnacht (evening of April 30) and Halloween (evening of October 31)
- Solstices in June and December
- Equinoxes in March and September

For a complete list of all satanic holidays please visit:

www.religioustolerance.org...

Conclusion: Halloween is in fact a Satanic Holiday as well as it's Pagan. Satanists simply adopted it as their holiday, and NO it doesn't mean everyone who celebrates Halloween is a Satanist (for those really sharp minded ones on here /s)

[edit on 10-4-2009 by mishabaikal]

reply to post by Missing Blue Sky


When I was in school, we didn't have any days off for Easter, and I graduated just last year (although, you could take Good Friday off for religious reasons, but you did have to prove that it was for religion and not just a day to sleep in). I have noticed this year though that most of the Elementary and Middle schools have Good Friday off this year.


Personally, I have no problem with Disney playing Halloween themed movies right now, and I'm not exactually the biggest supporter of Disney. I remember when I was younger and still watched Disney, that I would love it when they would play Holiday themed movies or shows at random times during the year. It actually made me watch Disney more because I remembered how much I enjoyed those movies.

Topically _

Yes, Disney has fomented a magical agenda since its inception.

Disney is founded in the principles of Aleister Crowley's Majik

Disney creates spells(programs) to capture the imagination of the children to lead them as adults into a dialectic reality of good versus bad.

Disney creates the princess program which initiates young girls to be victims that need to be saved by similarly programmed hero princes

Alternatively Disney will often run a program that features an underdog who is thrust into the position of the hero. The hero is generally rewarded with the unexpected love of the princess

Halloween, Christmas & Easter all have astrological significance that can be traced to pagan(rural) beginnings.

When The Roman Catholic church became the world order of its day, the christian myths were transposed with the pagan myths to assimilate the customs of the people, by ritually celebrating around similar calendar dates

Disney is just being a smart magician by not advertising for the other magicians. This at least creates a doubt in the mind of the undecided

sort of like those Apple ads that present Apple's 7% market share as an equal opposition to Microsoft's total market dominance... the illusion of competition is good for the game