Idiot Stoners or Paid Spooks?

I decided to pose this question in the General Conspiracies Forum.
If anyone decides it is better suited in the disinfo forum, so be it.

Anyhow, I have been pretty curious about this for quite a while and decided to ask...
Is it possible or maybe even probable that the drug related topics are repeated violated by paid stooges?

I mean, I would think that most self-respecting members to this site can handle themselves with enough discipline not to flat-out advocate the use of drugs, yet time after time I see GOOD THREAD TOPICS closed down because some idiot is doing just that. Usually these violators are "newbs" and I really never see them here on the boards ever again (are they being banned?).

I mean, I'm pretty damned sure that there are paid government agents trolling these boards and so are the mods and admins. Could it be that they choose to contest this topic by violating the T&C of the site knowing that it will result in the thread being shut down? Therefore easily censoring the site's content?

I would say it would be an effective method.

At what point does the site take a hit to their personal pride and start putting disclaimers out notifying people that they may find the content on this site offensive and proceed at risk?
Or do we just continue to watch these good topics be put to rest?

Thoughts?

Regards.

reply to post by Jay-in-AR


I personally think it's just idiot stonners or kids that don't give a damn. As far as agents I feel they more or less observe to see what the conspiracy theorist are saying.

As far as a disclaimer for the sight. We agree to the T&C whether we read them or not when we sign up. If you want to talk about drug uses then ATS is not the place for you all those who can't get over that really just need to move on to another outlet. My opinions only.

Sure, I agree that if a person wants to talk about drug usage they shouldn't be here. Afterall, that is the T&C of the site.

I'm speaking more about the legitimate drug-related topics.
Is it ALL idiot stoner types? There are often great drug-related threads that get 404ed because of ONE idiot. Why not just remove HIM from the site? Why censor the news?


Anyhow, thanks for your opinion...

reply to post by Jay-in-AR


I believe it is because of the old snow ball effect. One starts and eventually the op is forgotten and the personal usage becomes the new topics. I agree that legitimate threads about drug topics should be heavily monitored and the individual stonners that refuse to abide by the terms and conditions should be banned immediately.

I think they are drinkers just as easily as they are stoners. Some people are just disruptive and silly. But I think you raise serious possibilities...I think TPTB do not like people discussing the possibility of legalizing marijuana until they get full control of the situation so that only certain corporations can profit from cannibus. So I'm guessing that Monsanto is madly trying to contaminate the planet's cannibus so that only their GM cannibus will produce viable seeds since it grows so easily as it is now.

And yes, I'm that cynical and even though I am not a pot smoker I think it's time to legalize it before this happens because for a lot of people it truly is good medicine - for a lot of people it makes them kind of crazy and parnoid. I think it is definitely harmful to young people's (under 25 according to the latest research) minds.

So, whether it is an idiot stoner or a paid agent, it doesn't matter?
ATS will just continue to allow the news be censored by the f-it-all attitude of a few?

That is poor.

[edit on 8-4-2009 by Jay-in-AR]

reply to post by Jay-in-AR


What is sad is your need to jepordize an entire site of valued

topics to discuss the limited value of 1 topic

reply to post by ChrisCrikey


My personal opinion is that the PTB care more about what happened during the Cultural Revolution during the sixties (more commonly refered to as the hippy movement) and linked that movement to their penchant for smoking herb.

Therefore, they have a very misplaced interest in stopping anything like that from happening ever again...

The movement this go around seems to be the internet. So, likewise, they are trying to censor it...
There is at least one thread on the front page reflecting this right now... maybe even two.

Thanks for your response.

reply to post by Seany


Look man, if topics related to drug usage make the news, they belong on an alternative news site, above all else.

There was a time when this site discussed these topics regularly... Not any longer.

My question is why.
I'm not jeopardizing this site. This site is the largest on the net of its type.
They're doing just fine.

And if it were me, I would get creative in certain regards to account registration...

For instance, if I were having a problem with decorum of a certain topic in particular, I would make people signing up TYPE IN response that they understand that personal drug usage will not be tolerated on this site, although they are free to discuss the topic otherwise...

I mean, if someone isn't intelligent enough to do that, or willing to do that, they don't belong here in the first place...

Afterall "deny ignorance."




[edit on 8-4-2009 by Jay-in-AR]

reply to post by Jay-in-AR


To keep the site open to as many people as possible, or have it restricted so only personal computers can access it. I think it is a fair trade on the part to close down the threads that will get them flagged by the net nannies and other groups. This would restrict you options on when you could access the site. Those who access it at work now if flagged by the filters may not be able to access it any more.

I agree it sucks that some people just can't do what they agree to do when they sign up but such is life. The few unfortunately hinders the many a lot of the time.

reply to post by Ant4AU


I think I addressed that reasonably in my last post.

Just make them TYPE IN something to the effect that they understand the policy and agree to adhere to it.
If they can't, they don't belong here.

I mean, we have states talking about outright decriminalizing marijuana and we can't talk about it on an alternative news site!

That is a disgrace.

We have threads outlining the effects on society of decriminalizing drugs and we can't talk about it!

That is a disgrace.

Apparently Bob Lazar is more worthy of discussion.

Sad really.

I have to honestly say, I have never seen them close an entire thread because of one person posting over the top comments. I have seen them block threads where the entire subject of the thread was drug use or trying different drugs for different cures, etc..

For example, Ijust recently said drugs should be legal in a post and they didnt close down the thread. They didnt filter my comment either. I assume they either didnt catch it. Or, its ok because I didnt say do this drug to cure this or buy this certain illegal drug or something where I am condoning illegal or dangerous, untested drug use.

My guess is there is a liability issue with that. Like if I tell you on here that you can cure butt cancer by rubbing Lemon root in your crack, then you try it and die, they get sued.. or at least that is what their insurance company or investors fear.

By the way I am not condoning Lemon Root on the crack as a cure for butt cancer, so dont try this at home

[edit on 8-4-2009 by justsomeboreddude]

reply to post by Jay-in-AR


I missed that post before I posted mine. We are definitely in agreement on making them do more than just click yes to register.

reply to post by justsomeboreddude


SO has said on several occasions it has a lot to do with the filters like net nanny. If ATS were to get flagged by the filters than any network that uses the filter will be blocked from accessing ATS.

There isn't a liability issue... at least not legally.

The liability only comes on the heels of their goal of making this site family friendly. (oh, and money... edited to add)
While I understand that, I would argue that there are LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of stories that aren't family friendly.

Try being family friendly giving the statistics on the genocide in Africa. Forget the pictures of the starvation and the military thugs hacking people up with machetes (things like this I have seen on this site)...

If we are talking about cultural specific laws, I would say that showing pictures of someone hacking another's head off with a machette is pretty harsh by American standards...

Okay, I'll drop that particular line of reasoning because it leads my logic-train into the realm of ATS being complicit.

As far as saying heroine should be legal... There, I just said it and no that won't get this thread closed.

This thread will be closed when *IDIOTS* start talking about how cool it is to shoot heroine.

I'm sure the staff here understands my point, whether they admit it or not.

[edit on 8-4-2009 by Jay-in-AR]

reply to post by Ant4AU


That makes sense. I was pretty sure these guys have some legitimate business reason for not wanting that stuff on the sight. Thanks for the info.

Idiot stoners? Maybe you perpetuate me to advocate the use of drugs.

However, I consider it my freedom of choice as well as expression to say what I feel regarding the Marijuana issue, and I personally feel that there is nothing wrong with (using) it.

Does that make me an idiot? No, it makes me a thinker. I've done the research to sit and say that I believe the repercussions of not decriminalizing are far greater than what we've been having with criminalization.

The topic should be brought up whenever possible, we've been ignoring it and turning our noses up to it long enough. The only reason this site doesn't allow it is because TPTB have firmly planted their roots and their feelings on the war on drugs, and these mods feel the same, IMO. I'm sure they are probably worried about masses of people getting together and agreeing on something. True logic at work here. Hey, I know, lets start a website where conspiracy theorists can come together and talk about all kinda of crack pot sh*& on here BUT! If someone comes along with a real issue and a real conspiracy, let's shut them down. Ultimately creating another conspiracy about themselves. It never ends.

reply to post by Jay-in-AR


It is not you they are concerned about

It is the idiots you speak off

you know yourself from threads how things change from the original OP

all the times, get off topic

People get personal

Now imagine that in a drug forum.............

reply to post by Boogley


You are making my point.

You see, I say those things myself... Except I don't feel the need to tell people that I use.
Can you not understand that much? What sort of "thinker" are you?

reply to post by Jay-in-AR


My point is they probably wouldnt close the thread if a bunch of idiots started talking about using illegal drugs, unless it became such a hassle to block each individual comment that discussed that. Like if one guy comes on here and one time says hey my brain iis cooked because i just shot this drug, with this method, etc.. They are going to block his post. Just like when every once in a while I get hacked at someone and say something out of line and my post gets blocked.

Now if a hundred people come on here and start swapping drug tales, then they probably would close it because cleaning it up would be a nightmare.