Uk police allowed to kill supposedly.

reply to post by secretagent woooman


Exactly the police all over the world are same as the worst criminals. They join with the criminals to destroy people all over the world.

reply to post by andy1033


Andy..i can say that too...without proof.

Where's your proof of this? What are the circumstances?

Without any of that, you are just coming across as a bit on the wrong side of 'ill' mate.

I could say what you said all day long on this forum, but without backing up, all i'm doing is sitting behind a keyboard and typing wild allegations that smack of being in need of professional help matey.

sorry, but that's how it sounds to me at least.

spikey.

reply to post by secretagent woooman


Ah right, i see...i wouldn't know, first i've heard of it.

Normally, it's the S.O. teams that are authorised to carry firearms, but the general issue of firearms is something i've not heard of.

spikey.

I watched this short vid and it raised a few questions in my mind.

What had the guy being doing before the vid was shot say in the last 30 mintues?

why was a he walking so slowly and delibratly in front of a line of riot cops? I f i was confronted by riot cops i would get outta there pretty damn quick.

I also read that the officer in quiestion has come forward...whens the last time you heard of a rioter coming forward after assalting a police officer?

reply to post by secretagent woooman


Hi again S.W.,

Well...yeah..we all watch US TV over here, so we have an idea!!

But, come on..that element aside, would you, hand on heart say that ALL of them or even the majority of them are corrupt and on an even pegging as the gangsters in the hood?

I'd be suprised if you said yes.

The whole point i'm making here, is yeah...human beings are sometimes arseholes, members of the various world's police forces too, and army and navy and air force, and politicians and teachers and doctors and industrialists and deffo bankers and so on.

We're human, and so are they. We screw up, and so do they.

But in the end, we are MUCH better off with them than without.

spikey.

reply to post by insider15


Can a man not walk down a street with his hands in his pockets, whats wrong with that. That man ws assaulted by the police period, just accept that policeman murdered him. the person that shoved him came forward, not the batton man who gave him a right good hit with his batton.

reply to post by insider15


Hello Insider15,

you know, i thought exactly the same thing myself.

I assumed he was a bit pissed to be honest, so was kind of staggering about a bit. But it did flash across my mind that he was trying it on, being provocative shall we say?

NOT that being a bit of a 'lad' in any way means he should die because of it, but it may go some way to explaining why the copper got pissed off and pushed/smacked him. Shame he died of course, and i want to be clear on that.

spikey.

Originally posted by spikey

I don't remember the last time i read about a UK copper mugging an old lady/man for a few quid. Or raping them then beating them to death.

I don't think i've ever heard or read of a UK copper flashing kids in a public park, or raping the same.

I don't even remember the last time a copper burgled a house, to get his or her drugs money.

Knifeing people? Nope. Getting pissed up on a weekend and going all out to put as many people in hospital as posible, cause they looked at his or her bird or bloke? Nope.

Smash and grabs at jewelery shops maybe then? Nope again.

Yeah, there are a few high profile, but isolated cases of brutality and even out and out miscarriages of justice.

But stop and think for a nano second, at the level of not only crime against property (burglary, smash and grab, fraud, etc etc) but of real, bloody, violent crime against innocent people, mostly minding their own business, and it soon puts your comment into perspective..which is the perspective of an brain adled teenager, frankly mate.

Said before, and i'll say it again for you.

YOU are a lot safer with the police with their odd bad apples, than without any of them. Most people would not last a week, if the police suddenly dissapeared, and you know it.

spikey.

Are you justifying the treatment and early funeral that copper gave to this man in the videos? Sure sounds like it to me pal. Go take a cold shower and wake up!

reply to post by spikey



yeah spikey i agree totaly he shouldnt have dead, but i gotta say unlike to jean charles de menzies case this officer didnt mean to kill the guy just take him outta the threat area albeit with a bit to much agression, if the officer does get charged i dont think it should be murder or manslaughter(not sureon the legal diffination of manslaughter but i think assault or something like that would be more appropriate.

Let's face it, the guy doesn't look as if he were ever wary about entering the pie shop. He'd probably have died on his first drunken trip over a piece of dust on the pavement anyway.

Not to say the officer was correct in what he did, obviously. But that's for the inquiry & CPS to decide and not the professional victims inhabiting this thread.

Originally posted by The Lass
Let's face it, the guy doesn't look as if he were ever wary about entering the pie shop. He'd probably have died on his first drunken trip over a piece of dust on the pavement anyway.

Not to say the officer was correct in what he did, obviously. But that's for the inquiry & CPS to decide and not the professional victims inhabiting this thread.

well said.

reply to post by John Matrix


Grow up mate.

If you can't (or won't) fathom what is being said here, i'm not up for it, understand?

Take your amateurish incitement and baiting and shove it you know where eh? And next time, at least try to provoke an intellectual based response.

If you don't have the necassary cells, my advice would be not to wade in with nonsense.

If you do understand, but want a target..i suggest going to different forum, and not using the fact that this unfortunate bloke DIED to attempt to get a rise out of me. That's disgusting 'pal'.

spikey.

reply to post by The Lass


Yep...spot on.

(sorry for the one liner, but the lass said it all)

spikey.

totally agree with spikey!!! cops are human beings and as a species and individuals we can be amazing or terrible John matrix seems to just be blinkered in his view and sees all police in the same light. I dont like the police when they pull me for speeding but if i got mugged or my mum got assaulted(which happened) then the only people i wanna see coming round the corner is as many police as possible.

Originally posted by spikey
I assumed he was a bit pissed to be honest, so was kind of staggering about a bit. But it did flash across my mind that he was trying it on, being provocative shall we say?

NOT that being a bit of a 'lad' in any way means he should die because of it, but it may go some way to explaining why the copper got pissed off and pushed/smacked him. Shame he died of course, and i want to be clear on that.

spikey.

I don't see him being provocative at all. He moved to the side so the cops could go around him and when he saw they were not going to go around him he started moving forward and out of the way. The cop on the right side of the screen who attacked him had to take three good steps toward the guy before hitting and shoving him from behind like the coward he is.

Stop twisting everything to justify taking the wrong side. It is what it is and nothing else. The cop is a A_Hole coward and is guilty of negligent use of force causing death.


[edit on 8/4/09 by John Matrix]

Originally posted by insider15
totally agree with spikey!!! cops are human beings and as a species and individuals we can be amazing or terrible John matrix seems to just be blinkered in his view and sees all police in the same light. I dont like the police when they pull me for speeding but if i got mugged or my mum got assaulted(which happened) then the only people i wanna see coming round the corner is as many police as possible.

Cops are human beings? Wow, there's a revelation! I didn't know that. Thanks for that bit of profound information.

BTW: I don't see all police in the same light. Only bad ones. Putting words in people's mouths is such a cheezy way of advancing a position.

Originally posted by John Matrix

Originally posted by spikey
I assumed he was a bit pissed to be honest, so was kind of staggering about a bit. But it did flash across my mind that he was trying it on, being provocative shall we say?

NOT that being a bit of a 'lad' in any way means he should die because of it, but it may go some way to explaining why the copper got pissed off and pushed/smacked him. Shame he died of course, and i want to be clear on that.

spikey.

I don't see him being provocative at all. He moved to the side so the cops could go around him and when he saw they were not going to go around him he started moving forward and out of the way. The cop on the right side of the screen who attacked him had to take three good steps toward the guy before hitting and shoving him from behind like the coward he is.

Stop twisting everything to justify taking the wrong side. It is what it is and nothing else. The cop is a A_Hole coward and is guilty of negligent use of force causing death.


[edit on 8/4/09 by John Matrix]

Are you from the uk or the states?? How can yoy call him a coward?? i seem to remember the police were heavly outnumbered that day. Dont get me wrong the death of anyone is terrible and the officer was out of line for shoving him, but your making judjements on a vervy very short clip you have no idea what this guy was doing 30 seconds before for all we know he could have been attacking the officers. Just leave the decisions to the CPS and wait for ALL the evidence rather than one short clip.

peace out

reply to post by insider15


lol, you should watch the channel4 web video, shows what he was doing, i.e nothing. The police murdered that man period.

Go an dwatch the channel4 news page i showed here, and you will see they have video of him just walking before all of it.

He was murdered y the police, accept it and that policeman should be in jail for the rest of his life.

reply to post by John Matrix


what words did i put in your mouth??? i simply offered an opinion based on what came out of your mouth. I aint gonna respond to you any more as you seem to just up for a fight rather than a debate.

reply to post by andy1033


i did watch it, all i can see is a guy walking away and being pushed to the ground by a police officer...out of line by the officer? how long is that clip? what happened before? I a have been pushed to the ground a few times and i havent died, i thinks its unfair to call for the officer to spend the rest of his life in jail. i say we leave it to the CPS.