Ron Paul, "North Korea is not a threat."

He's right...North Korea isn't a "real" threat unless they wanted to wipe themselves from existence since we have an enormous stockpile of nuclear weapons and massive military.

They do have the right to use space to launch satellites.

Always thankful to Ron Paul to give a different perspective to foreign policy...which most often makes much sense.

Man, why didn't it go Ron Paul for the election....*sigh*.

That's another thread, but he's right, NK poses no real threat to us as we have all of the information in the world to figure out what they are up to and exactly what they have for weapons.

We should be worrying about ourselves and leave the kids to their trivial toys.

~Keeper

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Whether we like the things North Korea does or not...they still have rights as a country...and besides...there are plenty of other countries surrounding them that have much more to worry about than we do...and those countries have nukes as well.

We really don't need another reason to go into another war.

Iraq..Afghanistan..Pakistan...Mexico is a possibility...and now North Korea as well?

Cripes...enough is enough.

It seems that the public seems to forget that having a nuke is a huge bargaining chip which keeps oppressed nations from be oppressed because they will now have to be reckoned with and not easily attacked as Saddam was.

It's all it is.

I agree with RP.

Why do we put up with communist China and Russia, but want to bully Cuba and NK.

Said it in many of similar threads, the US should

1)recognize NK as communist.
2) Pull our troops out of SK.
3)drop all sanctions, renew ties.
4)sign a peace treaty.

Let NK and SK work out their problems.

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I completely agree, I think it's ridiculous that we bully other countries into following our lead, and once they feel they are capable of makng their own decisions we bombard them with sanctions and threatening rhetoric.

They have every right to have a space program, these people aren't 2nd rate citizens as the government would like us to believe.

It's sad really, the world needs to re-evaluate it's foreign policy and start helping instead of hindering progress.

~Keeper

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Man, why didn't it go Ron Paul for the election....*sigh*.

That's another thread, but he's right, NK poses no real threat to us as we have all of the information in the world to figure out what they are up to and exactly what they have for weapons.

We should be worrying about ourselves and leave the kids to their trivial toys.

~Keeper

Have you ever thought that maybe you should independently verify the facts behind an issue, instead of simply taking your "oh so righteous" candidate's word for it?

North Korea is a HUGE threat, not only in their development of weapons systems, but also in the fact that they are a proxy component of China's War Machine, AND they are also selling/developing the Launch Carrier Vehicles for Iran's Nuclear Programs.

You remind me of a certain grouping of people who stated that the Afghans and their "Terror Cells" half-a-world away were not a worry of ours before 9-11. It goes to show how much it truly pays to be ignorant to the world around you.

As for the OP, where did anyone say that North Korea was simply launching a "SAT", with no ulterior motives? Are you actually taking the word of the DPRK's own Media Sources?

Originally posted by jam321
I agree with RP.

Why do we put up with communist China and Russia, but want to bully Cuba and NK.

Said it in many of similar threads, the US should

1)recognize NK as communist.
2) Pull our troops out of SK.
3)drop all sanctions, renew ties.
4)sign a peace treaty.

Let NK and SK work out their problems.

If you simply "Let NK and SK work out their problems", there will never be a South Korea any longer.

1. We do recognize NK as communist.
2. We will not cede to a Nation which represents a Proxy of China, and more so when we have already signed an agreement upon which we will protect South Korea.
3. Dropping Sanctions and Renewing Ties are not possible, as the "Renewing of Ties" has already failed, and History has proven that once you cede the slightest to tyrants and maniacs, they will become emboldened to take even more. (This ties in directly with your "Number 2" Point.)
4. We already signed a truce, and to sign a peace treaty would not only empower Kim Jong Il's stature and image the world over, it would also be displaying our willingness to make deals with one of the greatest abusers of Human Rights the world over. We will be sanctioning his Prison Camps, Torture, Abuse, and Oppression.

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1. We do recognize NK as communist.

Maybe instead of recognize, I should have said accept.

We already signed a truce, and to sign a peace treaty would not only empower Kim Jong Il's stature and image the world over, it would also be displaying our willingness to make deals with one of the greatest abusers of Human Rights the world over. We will be sanctioning his Prison Camps, Torture, Abuse, and Oppression.

IMO, it doesn't empower him at all. He may claim so but in reality the US would just have a different Asian policy.

As far as making deals with one of the greatest abusers of human rights the world over, isn't that what we do with the rest of the world human rights violators. There are deals with China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, egypt..and the list goes on and on.

We will not cede to a Nation which represents a Proxy of China, and more so when we have already signed an agreement upon which we will protect South Korea.

Why deal with the step son when you can deal with the big daddy?

You mean after all these years, we still haven't taught SK how to defend itself. We can still protect SK. I personally don't believe we have to sacrifice 30-40,000 troops. Pull them out and protect SK like we do the middle east.

If you simply "Let NK and SK work out their problems", there will never be a South Korea any longer.

I respectfully differ with you on this. I personally see the US and China as the reason the two countries can't work out their differences.

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This missle launch focus from N. Korea has brought our attention away from the G20 meeting and the Turkey visit as a diversion tactic. The obama administration I believe leaves nothing to chance everything he does and every word his many speech writters write are calculated and leveraged to the max.

I do not drink the Kool Aid that the millions of people that voted obama in drink. This time table of the launch was not by coincidence it was planned to happen when it did. Do you think that the NWO couldn't buy off North Korea at anytime they wanted? If the NWO wants chaos all they do is





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This is just unbelievable, I thought he could run for 2012 presidency if the right has no better candidate but this is just so incredibly irresponsible/inconsiderate.

DPRK is a real threat not just to the US but also to the world because they sell nuclear and missile technologies in the black market (they got nothing to lose), that is one of many ways the regime survives.

Complete ignorant by RP there, now I don't think he should run for the presidency at all, luckily I heard he won't run.

North Korea is no real threat to the US. I think they do have a right to put a satelite into space although I don't believe thats what they did the other day.

If NK gets aggressive, I say let the UN figure out what to do. Let somebody else be the bad guy for awhile, the US needs to concentrate on the US.

A few counterpoints on his arguments:

1) The idea that NK has a right to launch satellites

Satellites are fired into space, not at other nations...
They don't have a "right". They lost that right about 5 years ago.

2) The idea that N Korean technology is too primitive to be a threat

a. They have already done nuclear tests
b. They are an unstable military dictatorship, there's always the chance they'll try something stupid

3) Polititians are talking about going to war

Actually, the US has yet to release an official statement and I haven't heard talk from any polititians besides the president. Paul seems to be more alarmist now then any other polititians with his talk of 'bombing NK'.

4) The North Koreans aren't going to attack us

No one said they were. The concern is that they'll attack S Korea or Japan, liberal democracies and allies that are greatly beneficial to the United States for both strategic and economic purposes. An it should be noted that those countries are pretty pissed right now- check out the protests going on. The situation with NK isn't just a case of the US pulling the strings, these people who are directly affected have a say and the world should take that into account.

5) If America wasn't there, North and South Korea would be a united, free country

NK started the war and its citizens are deeply embroiled in a cult of personality and isolation from the rest of the world the likes of which weren't seen even in the USSR. To say that they would have given up and stopped fighting is absurd.

6) Sanctions don't work

He then says that we should cut off money. Sounds like sanctions.

7) Communism fails

Damn right it fails, but that doesn't mean it does so peacefully. Fascism didn't fall peacefully either.

Pretty much have to agree with Dr. Paul on this one.

And to those who fearmonger by saying, "OMG OMG they're gonna sell nukes and plans for nukes to terrorists" are kind of off the wall.

Tell me...how hard could it possibly be for our illustrious, highly funded, and omnipresent intelligence agencies to keep track of these activities?

N. Korea's crazy dude flexes his missile tests for attention, albeit negative. This country is no kind of threat.

But hey...let me know if they hit Alaska, Hawaii, or California and our multi-billion dollare missil interception systems don't handle it, ok?

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North Korea was never a threat, why is it america thinks that North Korea would want to bother with it. NK is an isolated country and just wants to get on doing it's own thing, I've no doubt that in 10 years NK will be one of the most free countries on the planet.

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What ever nk has, are they a real threat to usa, you have to be kidding don't you. only china and russia would be able to damage usa.

So what threat do they really have, just be realistic for a change on this.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
N. Korea's crazy dude flexes his missile tests for attention, albeit This country is no kind of threat.

I really don't think Kim Jong Il would spend millions on a rocket just for attention, but I do believe he's going to launch his body into space when he dies.

North Korea is not a threat to the US. They do not even have the technology to get a missle anywhere near US soil. They may be a threat to their neighbors. China, Russia and Japan should be the ones dealing with them since it is their backyard.

This whole North Korea thing is just a distraction for the American people while the Obama administration signs over our sovereignty to the world banks in Europe.

Originally posted by spitefulgod
North Korea was never a threat, why is it america thinks that North Korea would want to bother with it. NK is an isolated country and just wants to get on doing it's own thing, I've no doubt that in 10 years NK will be one of the most free countries on the planet.

Attention is part of it. And you bring up another interesting point. Where does he get the money and the specs. Ha. Think I'll ruminate on that one for a while.

Sorry Dr. Paul ... gotta disagree.

North Korea is a threat. They really WANT to be a threat too.
Their leader is out of control. They are engaged in arms
building with Iran .. who wants to destroy us.