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Originally posted by scorand
well religous or not if your gonna use right wing propaganda and church dogma you would also fall into practice what you preach.. jesus said judge not lest ye be judged. love your neibor.. and no that doesnt mean just those who agree with you.. and as for discernment how about that line about all will hate you.. wouldnt gays fall into that catagory.. and as far as rebuking.. its more like blind hatred.. and lets face it religous dogma has been proven wrong before.. like bruno, galilio, and lets not forgett about bearing false witness.. so if you want to blindly follow ignorant leaders and haters thats fine. however dont expect those who can see through the crap not to call you on it..
Originally posted by Aermacchi
Originally posted by jfj123
You might realize how stupid your above post was.
I will requote myself one more time JUST FOR YOU
"Never allow convictions of the ignorant to overwhelm logic, reason and common sense"
-Jjfj123-
You only quoted yourself 6 times?? Agh ha ha ha ha ha HA HA HA HA HA
WTF dude?? are you worried about plagerizing yourself! HA HA HA
The fact is smart guy, if you are the one who coined a phraze, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOURSELF THE CREDIT FOR SAYING IT!
Besides none of it was worth quoting in spite of you being so impressed with yourself.
Just say it without you putting your initials on it.
it is as silly as me saying:
I think aermacchi said it best " quoting yourself once is silly but 6 TIMES! is plane asinine" - aermacchi
Originally posted by Aermacchi
Originally posted by SemperParatusRJCC
Aermacci...... how did I know that it was going to be you pit up against jfj... You shouldn't even be on this site. You should be under a rock, because all that ignorance pushes people away. You have this aura about you, I take it you were the kind of kid who got beat up a lot in school. No friends, trauma in the family. So you turned to god, and in doing so you have warped a religion, and actually confirm theories from people like me.
I suggest you go home get offline and go watch a few debates before typing here again. Learn tact. Well and get all that hatefulness out of your system.
*sigh* it's so flattering when I see posts like yours but seriously,,,
will the jealousy never end?
Originally posted by SemperParatusRJCC
reply to post by DeltaPan
Dont worry about it delta. Aermacci has no idea about what he or she is talking about. I would just ignore them because its arguement is farce, Like the snapping of a rubberband. It will always snap back, but if you leave it alone long enough it will become brittle and eventually break when you snap at it again.
Originally posted by Aermacchi
Never mind that gays only have to hear about how hated they are when they flaunt their depraved sexual bent when no one asked
You don't like my right wing hyperbole and religious dogma?
"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness." - Isaiah 5:20
TRUTH is Hate, to Those who Hate TRUTH!
"Have I now become your enemy by telling you the TRUTH?" - Galatians 4:16
The Bible calls for a balance between what some people think are two opposing reactions—rebuke and compassion. Really, the two are essential elements of true Biblical Love. But when people who are so caught up in their sins are told the Truth in love, automatically they believe it is hate because they lack Godly discernment to know the difference.
I know it is hard to believe, but the God who IS love, also hates. That’s right. God hates. God is Holy, Just and Righteous and He “hates all who do iniquity” (Psalm 5:5). In fact, God goes further by calling some things an abomination, which is a much more powerful type of hate. According to the dictionary abomination means “hate coupled with disgust,” and abomination occurs over 170 times in the Bible.
Today, most Christians would never be caught "judging" or rebuking the wicked, as God's people in the Bible sometimes did. Many Christians today would condemn Jesus Christ's attitude as "unloving," "hateful," and "intolerant" if they saw Him in person.
May criminalize sermons, and funds pro-homosexual indoctrination
The key problem with hate crime legislation is that the crimes at issue through such bills are, in fact, already punishable crimes, and can already be prosecuted under current laws. All the "sexual orientation" category does is add extra penalties if opposition to homosexuality (the "wrong" attitude) is determined to be a factor.
This is used to prop up homosexuality as a legitimate behavior since it becomes "protected",
These bills also provide funds for "crime prevention" programs that punish and silence any opposition to homosexuality.
for crimes involving interstate and foreign commerce.Just think about the Internet and the free speech about homosexuality that might now be interpreted as "inciting hate crimes" especially if the site sells anything (the "commerce" requirement).
This bill also adds the "sexual orientation" category, and provides $10 million for the next five years for the federal Department of Education to make grants to schools for "hate crime prevention education." Imagine what this will open up regarding anti-Christian teaching.
Originally posted by DeltaPan
I don't warn them twice, they want to keep pissing somebody like me off it's their own lookout if their outstanding bad karma revisits them to the power of three.
Hope they've balanced their books.
Originally posted by Aermacchi
Originally posted by DeltaPan
I don't warn them twice, they want to keep pissing somebody like me off it's their own lookout if their outstanding bad karma revisits them to the power of three.
Hope they've balanced their books.
The four things that Satan cannot stand are: absolute truth, God-derived authority, an understanding of the battle, and the spiritual conflict that is involved. Watch for Satan in these four areas. This is how Satan Works:
Nine things that Satan loves to do.
1- His timing is generally, carefully planned. In the garden, he waits until Eve is alone and until she is in the position to listen to the voice of a stranger. At the point of her greatest emotional need, he comes at her. In the wilderness, he waits for Jesus for 40 days and 40 nights. At the point of Jesus' greatest physical need, after fasting for that entire time, Satan approaches him. Your greatest spiritual tests will come at the point of your greatest emotional and physical need. He knows when the lies should come.
2- He is a master of overkill and unanswerable questions. He said to Eve, “Hath God not said that you cannot eat anything?” In our modern times that can be translated into, “Is God trying to put you on Weight Watchers?” Satan puts different questions in our minds such as, “How can a God of love allow war to go on? How can a God of love allow death to go on?” Satan asks questions that the natural mind cannot answer.
3- He is a master at innuendo that undermine the character of God with “if”s. He says such things as, “IF Thou are the Son of God,” as we see in Matthew 4. Twice he said this statement. Have you ever heard him say that? “IF you really are a Christian... ” “IF your conversion was real... ” “IF God answers prayer... ” “IF Jesus were coming again... ” Satan is the master of the “IF”.
4- He loves to question the reasonableness of God's Word. “How can God be so narrow? He says, ÔEat this but don't eat that.' What difference can a tree make?” Satan says, “What do you mean that you cannot lie? Even here? How unreasonable.” This causes people to think, “Why can't I steal? I am hungry. How unreasonable.”
5- He loves to get the Christian on the defense. Eve had to come back and say, “God did say that, I heard Him.” She was now defending God. Three times, Jesus had to come back with the statement, “It is written... ” “It is written... ” “It is written... ”
6- He always minimizes the consequences of disobedience. He told Eve, “Thou shalt not surely die.” “You've got to be kidding. God is teasing you.” “No God of love would follow through.” This is a lie. No, a God of love would not keep His Word.
7- He ultimately questions the motives of God. He said to Eve, “You can be just like God. The problem is that God wants to keep you His slave.” This is true. The point that Eve did recognize is that we were designed in the image of God to reflect the will of God. Every man and woman was designed to be a slave to someone. The question was, “Choose you this day whom you will serve” not “If you will serve.” If you are not a slave to God, you are automatically a slave to His enemy.
Originally posted by Rockstrongo37
reply to post by skeptic1
To day that hate speech isnt free speech is applying a double standard... all speech must be free in order for our freedoms to remain. When one is taken away all will be eventually. You simply can't pick and choose which words are to be free and which are to be banned. Freedom for all or freedom for none.
(Genesis 19:33-36)
Most of us would say that incest is against the interests of the family. Yet Lot, whom the Bible considers to be a very good man, had sex with his two daughters ; and there was no punishment for either Lot or the daughters.
In order to gain favor with a king, Abraham said that his wife was his sister, and offered her to the king for sex. This happened twice (Genesis 12:11 and Genesis 20:2). Isaac did a similar thing (Genesis 26:6). And Lot (Genesis 19:8) once offered his virgin daughters to be used by a mob at Sodom. (St. Peter called Lot a "righteous man", 2 Peter 2:8)
Jacob tricked his own brother Esau of his inheritance (Genesis
25:31-33). Then he lied to his dying father about it (Genesis
27:19). And the god loved Jacob and hated Esau, the victim
(Malachi 1:3, Romans 9:13).
The last of the plagues brought upon the Egyptians was the death of all their first-born children, because "The Lord hardened the heart of Pharoah" (Exodus 9:12, 10:1, 10:20, 10:27, 11:10). Couldn't he have SOFTENED Pharoah's heart and spared all those innocent children? Maybe Egyptian families don't matter.
Jesus promised his followers great rewards if they would desert their wives and children (Matt. 19:29). And in the old testament
too, it was good for men to "put away their wives" (Ezra 10:19).
Originally posted by scorand
reply to post by Shunsu
very well said. and i have to agree with you ,but i think we need to read what the bill preposes before we can say that this is the case..as some one pointed out earlier.. i think it was either semper or jf123 that the op was misleading.. it doesnt stop anyone from saying what they believe biblicaly, how ever the point of the bill is to stop the hatemongering cloaked in the face of the church.. as in like the phelps family..
Originally posted by BIG MOONIE FRESH
You know, I consider myself a Christian and all, not ashamed to say it, but some of the fear-mongering I hear out of other "Christians" makes me frigging sick to my stomach. Do this, do that, this way, that way, or you are going to burn.
We are not here to judge, and that's one of the virtues of Christianity. Forgiveness, and not judging others. If anyone wants to come on here bashing others because they are some other religion other than a follower of Christ, that just makes you a hypocrite. If you are atheist, Buddhist, Muslim, Scientologist, or Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I could care less. I'm not trying to ram my beliefs down your throat.
People are idiots.
Originally posted by jfj123
Originally posted by Aermacchi
Many claim that being gay is a choice and is not genetic. Here is the problem with that mentality.
If you or anyone else believe that being gay is a CHOICE, then you and every other person saying this must also be physically attracted to the same sex and the only reason you don't act on your sexual attraction is that you CHOOSE not to. This also means that you and everyone else is partially gay and thus an afront to god
Which means that Aermacch is gay but chooses not to act on his "gayness"
When I was young and found out a co-worker was gay, the first thing that entered my mind is, "I don't get, why would one guy want to have sex with another". It just didn't make sense to me as I am not attracted to men. I couldn't wrap my brain around it.
The second thought I had was, I guess that's the exact same way they feel about my heterosexual lifestyle.
My third thought was, live and let live. It's not for me to judge them.
When Aermacch becomes an adult, he will hopefully mature and gain some wisdom and realize that there are many, many different types of people, with many, many different beliefs. Also hopefully, he'll realize that his HATE SPEECH was the product of youth and a lack of wisdom, understanding and tolerance.
Aermacci will never know of his hatefulness because that would go against his paradigm. Outside his very small world in which he himself is the center of. he is the very spawn of that which he preaches and wishes he could be rid of.