The Three Clinchers for Proof of Alien Life

reply to post by jkrog08

Actually the painting is titled Miracle of the Snow and a reasonable quality image of it shows that what is depicted is indeed clouds. In fact, the snow is shown falling from the largest (nearest) of the clouds.
Miracle of the Snow (use the 100% button at the upper left)

The "ancient witness" does not assume anything. What it depicts is this story;

According to legend, back in the year 352 A.D. a man named Giovanni had a dream that on August 5th snow would fall in Rome. Moreover, on the site where the snow fell, a church should be erected in honor of the Madonna. So the next morning off he went to tell his friend Pope Liberius about his dream . . . who incredibly had the very same apparition!

Together they went to the site indicated in their dreams and gazed in amazement at what lay before them . . . almost an inch of snow! The Pope got down on his hands and knees and traced the outline in the snow for the new church, the Basilica Liberiana, rebuilt as Santa Maria Maggiore in 432 A.D.

www.italiannotebook.com...
The painting was made more than 1,000 years after the event it depicts and there is nothing the story about Jesus and Mary commanding anything. Maybe, just maybe, the idea is that Jesus and Mary brought the clouds from which the strange snow fell.

The stories from Nuremberg and Switzerland are different and interesting. I wonder what it was they saw.

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They're just clouds

However the Nuremberg testimony is really interesting.

The testimony is a very good account of UFO activity. It also is describing aerial phenomena by someone who doesn't understand it.
The archaeologist in me ( I no longer work in the field) wanders if anyone has gone to the site and done any radiation readings or looked for wreckage or scorching in the layers of earth from that time etc. It looks like they describe a German Roswell.... A crashed craft after a Dogfight.

Possibilities:
!) Crash did take place
2) Back then there was no GOVT with military interests in retrieving it (though they know to look now!)
3) remnants of whatever crashed may still be there under the surface.

That account is actually someone drawing a map.....



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reply to post by Exuberant1


Japan was an isolationist society this is a story of a woman who was found by sailors. They describe the ship as being made of wood and iron, Oh i dont know a boat. They describe a woman in her 20s with fair skin and red hair, hmmm maybe a European woman. She was clutching a wooden box that seemed important to her probably her papers letters etc that would be important if she found herself all alone with people that didnt speak her language. Stories like these were common among the Japanese every time a foreigner stepped on there shores.

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Originally posted by dragonridr
Stories like these were common among the Japanese every time a foreigner stepped on there shores.

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Common...

...Then you won't having any trouble providing us with three or more examples from Edo Japan that would corroborate your claim. ;-)

Do you speak Japanese?

I see this topic for the ones who still live in their tiny little worlds and don’t want to accept that our lives have no boundries within our planet earth so people who think this world you live in is dynamic well try to see the whole picture by reading this and your live becomes static

Good topic!

Well that still leaves the unexplained Nuremberg Germany(as i accept you explanation to the Jesus and Mary).I don't see how that can be anything else but what it looks like.

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reply to post by jkrog08

Not entirely unexplainable. The accounts seem to have been published in a sort of "tabloid" of the era. Also similar to nowadays, when people see something beyond their experience they tend to "fill in the blanks" and perhaps embellish a bit.

It is interesting to note though, that in 1540, Vannoccio Biringuccio published his book THE PIROTECHNIA (De La Piro). Primarily a work on metallurgy, it did include a section on fireworks.

10. On certain artificial combustible materials and the procedures followed in making fireworks to be used in warfare and for festivals.

www.collectorsbookmarket.com...

Fireworks were a pretty new invention, beyond most peoples' experience.

During the Renaissance in Europe (1400-1500), the Italians began to develop fireworks into a true art form. Since this was a period of artistic creativity and expression, many new fireworks were created for the first time. Military rockets could be modified by adding powered metals and charcoal in order to create bursts of gold and silver sparks in the sky. The Italians were able to develop aerial shells - canisters of of explosive composition that were launched into the sky and exploded at the maximum altitude (the Chinese also developed shells that were spherical in shape).

www.pyrouniverse.com...

As with today's tabloids, we could have missed the retractions.

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reply to post by Phage


"As with today's tabloids, we could have missed the retractions. "

Key word COULD,I doubt it,I think that is describing something very unusual.

reply to post by Phage


So Phage,I have a few questions........

1.Do you believe in aliens?

2.What scenario do you think more likely in the Nuremberg painting.Keep in mind the witness accounts.

reply to post by jkrog08

I think there is a high probability of extra-terrestrial intelligence. I think there is a very low probability that we are being or have been visited by them.

Although there is no way to be certain from "eyewitness" reports (from which we are removed by 450 years of cultural change), I think fireworks is a much more likely explanation than spacecraft.

"cylindrical shapes from which emerged black, red, orange and blue-white spheres that darted about."

Sounds awfully familiar.

I just wanted to add a couple facts that are usually overlooked.



The spider you presented is a very strange body of art. Dr. Phillis Pitluga, an astronomer with the Adler Planetarium in Chicago, concluded that the famous spider figure was devised as a terrestrial diagram of the giant constellation of Orion, and that the arrow-straight lines linked to the figure appear to have been set out to track through the ages the changing declinatons of the three stars of Orions Belt.
This is my personal favorite. The Nazca spider also accurately depicts a member of a known spider genus-Ricinulei. This, as it happens, is one of the rarest spider genera in the world, so rare indeed that it has only been found in remote and inaccessible parts of the Amazon rain forest. How did the supposedly primitive Nazcan artists travel so far from their homeland, crossing the formidable barrier of the Andes, to obtain a specimen? More to the point, why should they have wanted to do such a thing and how were they able to duplicate minute details of ricinulei's anatomy normally visible only under a microscope, notably the reproductive organ positioned on the end of its extended right leg?

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Good point,I didn't know that.What do you think of the 'Astronaut'??

reply to post by Phage


So do you think we aren't being visited because they cant get here or wouldn't care about us?Also the firework theory doesn't fit the accounts of the 'color crosses'(lasers?) hitting other spheres and the sphere burning up in a flame almost instantly.Also it doesn't account for the crashes and the large cylindrical and triangular craft,as well the metal spheres.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by jkrog08

 

I think there is a high probability of extra-terrestrial intelligence. I think there is a very low probability that we are being or have been visited by them.

Although there is no way to be certain from "eyewitness" reports (from which we are removed by 450 years of cultural change), I think fireworks is a much more likely explanation than spacecraft.

"cylindrical shapes from which emerged black, red, orange and blue-white spheres that darted about."

Sounds awfully familiar.

If there's a high probability of extra-terrestrial intelligence doesn't that mean that there's a high probability that they have visited us?

Do you put a boundary on the intelligence of these beings based on our current understanding of the universe?

We don't know what constitutes 96% of the universe or how advanced these extra-terrestrials may be. Some of them may have evolved in our own backyard. We just found liquid water on Mars and they found what might be extra-terrestrial bacteria in the atmosphere.

So, doesn't it stand to reason that if there's a high probability that extra-terrestrial intelligence exists, then they are not bound by our limited knowledge of the universe?

Maybe they have advanced quantum computing, nanotechnology or they know what constitutes 96% of the universe and they have discovered a energy source that helps them with interstellar travel.

reply to post by jkrog08

It's likely the witness's cultural biases "filled in the blanks" with crosses, just as yours have with lasers(?). I see no description of triangular objects. "A black, spear-like object" doesn't sound triangular but it does sound like a rocket. I don't see metal spheres mentioned, only spheres (more "filling in"?). The description fits a classic "chrysanthemum" burst, or even simple roman candles. Rockets tend to be cylindrical. "Crashes"? Well, there generally are some leftovers, I have to clean up my yard every fifth of July.

Remember the woodcut was made 5 years after the event and Hans Glaser was a religiously inspired printer. Glaser
Is it unlikely that his woodcut would tend to be a bit exaggerated for evangelical purposes?

I see nothing in the incident that rules out fireworks.


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Originally posted by platosallegory

If there's a high probability of extra-terrestrial intelligence doesn't that mean that there's a high probability that they have visited us?

No. That is not a logical progression. There are many intermediary steps required. None of which have been met. Too many assumptions to be made.

reply to post by Phage


"I see nothing in the incident that rules out fireworks. "

I see nothing that rules out an alien battle.

Originally posted by Phage

Originally posted by platosallegory

If there's a high probability of extra-terrestrial intelligence doesn't that mean that there's a high probability that they have visited us?

No. That is not a logical progression. There are many intermediary steps required. None of which have been met. Too many assumptions to be made.

Because of Star Trek or whatever, people always horribly underestimate just how huge and deadly most of space is. I was watching a TV show the other day that was talking about gamma ray bursts, which are relatively common in a galaxy, and will just fry the life off any planet exposed to them. We've been extremely lucky not to have been toasted, ourselves. It's just one more very negative factor that we hadn't even considered until recently when trying to figure out the probability of ET life.

If there is life out there somewhere, they'd have to get real smart real fast, just like us, in order to be able to make it to other planets with life on them. Hey, we're pretty smart, but after 4 billion years of very lucky evolution, even we haven't done it yet!

reply to post by jkrog08


The astronaut is weird!? The books Ive read all suggest the "Man"(as they refer to it)with his heavy boots, his right arm is raised as though in greeting and his round eyes staring owishly forward, cannot be said to belong to any known era or culture. And other drawings depicting the human form are equally peculiar; their heads enclosed in halos of radiance, they do indeed look like visitors from another planet. Their sheer size is equally noteworthy and bizarre. In my personal opinion I dont believe they are greys, I believe they are "us".(pun intended

*Condor(from beak to tail)400 ft. long!(the pelican also)
*Hummingbird-165 ft
*The spider-150 ft
*the lizard- get this, some 617 ft.(the pan-american highway now divides its tail)

I read about Maria Reiche, a mathematician who has lived at nazca and studied the lines since 1946. In her view "the geometric drawings give the impression of a cipher-script in which the same words are sometimes written in huge letters , at another time in minute characters. There are line arrangements which appear in a great variety of size categories together with very similiar shapes. All the drwings are composed of a certain number of basic elements..."