The Three Clinchers for Proof of Alien Life

Originally posted by doorbell412
You debunkers are hilarious. You want proof? Climb up to a very high mountain and at night, strip butt naked and hold up a big sign to the sky that says: "beam me up Scotty! You should get some proof fairly quickly.

Proof that you can get frostbite on embarrassing places very quickly at altitude. Nothing more.

Originally posted by jkrog08

The current "hoaxer" thread shows that.

What thread is that?

"Judge punishes UFO Hoaxers."

Attach a flare to a balloon. Send it up. Watch the UFO reports come pouring in. Works every time.

Originally posted by Gawdzilla
Attach a flare to a balloon. Send it up. Watch the UFO reports come pouring in. Works every time.

That is dangerous.


Until it was discovered that it really was a flare and a balloon - the object would be considered to be Unidentified.

People are encouraged to report possible aerial obstructions and/or dangers to the respective authorities. Every single UFO investigation group from NICAP to MUFON to APRO encourages individuals to report UFOs when sighted.

*It is no surprise that such antics would result in UFO reports. In some cases, they aid in the arrest of the individual(s) responsible for the hoax:

'UFO hoaxsters face disorderly persons charges; Morris Prosecutor accuses them of 'stupidity'
www.nj.com...

Originally posted by Exuberant1

Originally posted by Gawdzilla
Attach a flare to a balloon. Send it up. Watch the UFO reports come pouring in. Works every time.

That is dangerous.


Until it was discovered that it really was a flare and a balloon - the object would be considered to be Unidentified.

People are encouraged to report possible aerial obstructions and/or dangers to the respective authorities. Every single UFO investigation group from NICAP to MUFON to APRO encourages individuals to report UFOs when sighted.

*It is no surprise that such antics would result in UFO reports. In some cases, they aid in the arrest of the individual(s) responsible for the hoax:

'UFO hoaxsters face disorderly persons charges; Morris Prosecutor accuses them of 'stupidity'
www.nj.com...

True, such pranks can start forest fires, for one. So, for the sake of argument, change the parameters a bit. Semitransperant balloon with LED light inside, set to pulse at regular intervals. Set it into flight and watch what happens. People will report an UFO, and it would be. However, some of those observers will from that point forward have a deep and unshakeable belief that they have seen visitors from other worlds. And you won't be able to dissuade them of that belief even if you reproduce the hoax exactly. That's the problem with the UFO scene. People just don't accept that what they've assumed may not be what actually occurred.

Originally posted by Gawdzilla
However, some of those observers will from that point forward have a deep and unshakeable belief that they have seen visitors from other worlds.

From a balloon with a flare attached - I doubt it.

Do you have any case studies that might corroborate this claim?

*In any case, primitive balloons with flares do not account for the depictions that we have been discussing and posting throughout this thread.


For example: A balloon-with-flare could not be mistaken for something such as Vimana - or that which is described and depicted in the ancient texts/histories that were discussed on the previous page. (Please check them out, as they make excellent 'key words' for research.)

...However, if ancient Mesopotamia/Indochina did have such aircraft - then I would assume that even their society would have morons sending out balloons to mess with the primitive societies downwind. ;-)

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The Florida case comes to mind, (I forget the exact name, sorry) where they found the model in the attic of the guy who photographed it and put it forward as a genuine flying saucer. Despite the blatant evidence of fraud there are still people who watch the sky for the "ship" to return. This is no "UFO" case, the pictures were quite clear and people were CERTAIN this was an alien spaceship. And they still do, regardless of evidence to the contrary.

Gentlebeings, until "ufology" grows up and stops accepting ANY "evidence" and puts its own house in order your going to have a tough time getting any serious interest in the matter.

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Gentlebeings, until "ufology" grows up and stops accepting ANY "evidence" and puts its own house in order your going to have a tough time getting any serious interest in the matter.

That is unfair,actually we don't accept 'any thing as proof'.We look at all the possible evidence and the ones that can't be explained are labeled UFOs(Unidentified Flying Objects),as far as what they are it is never said with certainty that aliens pilot them,it is believed that they probably do from witness testimony.In Fact it is the Ufologist,not the skeptics that debunk most of these hoaxes or misidentifacations.Because you were right when you said we don't get much help.more now than ever,but still not enough.And mistaking a balloon with lights for a large silver triangle or saucer...........come on man.

reply to post by jkrog08


Then why, oh why, do people keep telling me they have PROOF? Dorothy Izzat, for pity's sake! The "Majestic" files, PROOF! The endless witness stories, PROOF.

Make up your collective minds. DO you have proof to be viewed, analyzed and tested, or not?

reply to post by Gawdzilla


The proof is everywhere,it is logical reasoning,it is circumstantial evidence,eyewitness accounts.You know damn well I can't give you a UFO or dead alien and you know that is asking the impossible.This is a situation where the proof available is limited and outside our control,and when it does come in the form hard,physical evidence it is quickly taken away and 'disappeared'.You know that too.To discount every single UFO related account is preposterous and ignorant.They can not all be mistakes or hoaxes.At least one nearly has to be real.

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I will discount every UFO report that doesn't have evidence. Until evidence is produced it's just stories. That's not arrogant, it's just demanding proof. If you were on trial for your life, would you like to have some proof of your guilt produced?

Nod note: Please stay on topic or stay out of the topic. -- Majic

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Still no evidence. Wanting to believe is a nice poster and prop for some TV show, but doesn't resolve into a fact.

reply to post by Gawdzilla

Until evidence is produced it's just stories.

There are a lot of stories we have in our history books based on past but who can really say it's all true?

There is only so much evidence to be found that can support such notions and stories and as we know stories are easily told and fabricated and every nation should have a different side to a story such as what happens in a war for example. Some nations have one version of the story down while others another.

The Point:
There is just as much evidence found for extraterrestrial life visiting this planet as there is for some of the stories found and accepted in our own history books.

reply to post by ShowMeEvil


I have an MA in History from Purdue. I know about stories, and I know how much they can be trusted. And that's not much. However, if you have corroborating evidence to back up a story, you can give it more credence. The Exodus, for example. Nice story, but no evidence to back it up. So it remains a story.

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I now have proof in my possession that there are beings that have arrived on this planet from outer space.

What would you be willing to trade for this knowledge?

I guarantee it is 100% absolute proof of this and it is clearly shown on video tape, I would assume the world would agree if they saw this particular footage.








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If I had any reason at all to believe you, I might be willing to pay for that footage. However, only a fool would buy a pig-in-a-poke. (Bill Birnes, for example.)

reply to post by Gawdzilla


I'm very serious about this particular video that just came in my possession.

If you had the smoking gun what would you do with it?

How would you present it to the world or would you just keep it for yourself?

reply to post by ShowMeEvil


Our topic: The Three Clinchers for Proof of Alien Life

If you would like to discuss a different topic, please feel free to start a new thread.

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Originally posted by doorbell412
You debunkers are hilarious. You want proof? Climb up to a very high mountain and at night, strip butt naked and hold up a big sign to the sky that says: "beam me up Scotty! You should get some proof fairly quickly.

A bit like this?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/470aa847e484.jpg[/atsimg]

We have been touring Europe with this on our car. Still haven't had any luck.

Perhaps what really bothers me with the three clinchers is that people looking for foolproof evidence never find it or if they see a UFO, it is almost always a case of "OH. I was so stunned that I forgot to take a picture. But I assure you - I DID SEE A UFO standingf in the garden."

[edit on 9.4.2009 by HolgerTheDane]