The Three Clinchers for Proof of Alien Life

reply to post by Exuberant1



Exactly. If you go by this logic:

Parallel universes could be an extraordinary claim
White holes can be an extraordinary claim
the holographic principle can be an extraordinary claim
we live in 4 dimension of space and 1 dimension of time could be an extraordinary claim
simulation theory, black hole computers or the universe as a quantum computer could be labled an extraordinary claim

An extraordinary claim is that a pink elephant flew passed my front door.

The reason that it's an extraordinary claim is because there's no evidence to support it.

Also extraordinary claims don't require extraordinary evidence. Extraordinary claims just require evidence to build a hypothesis.

If for instance, if I had police officers, military, high ranking government officials, pilots, pictures, video, abduction cases and trace evidence to support a flying pink elephant then it's no longer an extraordinary claim.

[edit on 6-4-2009 by platosallegory]

reply to post by platosallegory

Why should we listen to so called skeptics and debunkers?

Skeptic Quote -- "Radio has no future. Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible. X-rays will prove to be a hoax."
--William Thomson, Lord Kelvin English scientist, 1899.

I see this thread as flared some things up for you,lol.

reply to post by jkrog08


Yep

I have a question about the Nazca lines.

Is there any evidence of human error? Are there practice runs that are messed up?

If the Nazca's made these things on their own, where's the human error?

I knew about the Nazca Lines but I havn't really studied them. At first glance, that would be my initial question.

reply to post by platosallegory


In the petroglyphs it would be hard to tell if they meant to do that or not. But as far as the lines go yes there are lines that are not perfectly straight. But the reason for this kinda makes sense. If your using a grid pattern to make the lines a straight line is the hardest part, there is no other refrence points to use.

Originally posted by dragonridr
reply to post by mikesingh

 

Seen more clearly, the little "alien grey" takes on quite a different perspective. The figure looked much more alien-like in the fuzzy picture, but here it looks rather like something else altogether. But what is it?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5cd39e895ff3.gif[/atsimg]

Good find dragonridr! Yes, that so called alien looking painting looks like something else! Most likely it's some vessel with a neck into which something is being poured! Can't say for sure though. But from afar it also looks like an ET with those typical eyes being handed over a bird-like creature by that figurine on the right! Why should he give a bird to an inanimate object?

I wonder how this would be interpreted by Egyptologists?

Cheers!


[edit on 7-4-2009 by mikesingh]

reply to post by mikesingh


It's a vase with reeds. This glyph is often mistaken for a alien, but when you pull back and look at the whole image its clearly a vase with reeds, the 'eyes' are the reeds flower head...sorry guys.
The glyphs all tell a story and this image doesn't talk about a 'alien' or god etc in mid sentence, it doesn't symbolise an alien or more acuratly spell the 'sound' for alien
All Hyroglyphs have a meaning. They are kinda like a letter actually 'sound' of the alphabet. And there is no glyph for 'ET'.... Unless you want to classify the 'god' glyhphs as ET's but thats another discussion





[edit on 7-4-2009 by zazzafrazz]

reply to post by dragonridr


Thanks for the info.

I have to say when it comes to the Nazca lines, it's hard to say.

I think the key thing is that it looked like they practised these things before they did them. They also were very good at pottery.

A question I ask about crop circles is where are the mistakes? Where is the human error? Yes, some crop circles are man made but I think some of them are made by an advanced civilization or maybe a plasma life form.

DR ELTJO HASELHOFF is one of the few people on planet Earth to have had a paper published on crop circles in a peer-reviewed scientific journal (‘Physiologa Plantarum’). His paper asserts that the long-recognised connection of crop circles to balls of light may be even stronger than many think. Here, in layman’s terms, Dr Haselhoff outlines the important findings of his paper.
www.swirlednews.com...

Plasma life forms

The universe is filled with massive clouds of dust. From past studies, scientists have learned that this cosmic dust can, in the presence of plasma, creates formations known as plasma crystals. An international team of researchers published a study in the Aug.14, 2007, issue of the New Journal of Physics that indicates that these crystals may be more sophisticated than anyone realized. In simulations involving cosmic dust, the researchers witnessed the formation of plasma crystals displaying some of the elementary characteristics of life -- DNA-like structure, autonomous behavior, reproduction and evolution.
science.howstuffworks.com...

Betty and Barny Hill is good evidence in light of the star map and other abduction cases.

The cave paintings is good evidence because humans have been recording these things thru cave paintings, paintings, ancient manuscripts, pictures and video.

The Nazca believed in the nature gods that controlled the forces of nature. So they probably made these things for these gods. They also found wooden stakes in the ground at the end of some of these lines.

This pic was interesting.
www.nazcamystery.com...

I definately will study these things further.

I think the debate would be more interesting if we could debate these things within reason instead of do they or don't they exist.

This way the evidence could be weighed as to what's the most likely and least likely explanation for these things.

Here's some evidence that has to do with UFO's and Nukes
www.nicap.org...

Originally posted by mikesingh
I wonder how this would be interpreted by Egyptologists?

The pantheon of gods has been known to forbid mankind from reproducing their likenesses.

In many cultures, this has lead to the people developing 'representative depictions' of those gods who's true form they were forbidden from depiction.

*Even Islam prohibits depiction of the Prophet's likeness...

[edit on 7-4-2009 by Exuberant1]

Originally posted by Exuberant1

Originally posted by mikesingh
I wonder how this would be interpreted by Egyptologists?

The pantheon of gods has been known to forbid mankind from reproducing their likenesses.

In many cultures, this has lead to the people developing 'representative depictions' of those gods who's true form they were forbidden from depiction.


[edit on 7-4-2009 by Exuberant1]

And this image is not an Egyptian representation of a god, stylised or not. Its a vase with reeds!!!!

[edit on 7-4-2009 by zazzafrazz]

Originally posted by zazzafrazz

Originally posted by Exuberant1
The pantheon of gods has been known to forbid mankind from reproducing their likenesses.

In many cultures, this has lead to the people developing 'representative depictions' of those gods who's true form they were forbidden from depiction.

And this image is not an Egyptian representation of a god, stylised or not. Its a vase with reeds!!!!

And how are you so sure? Has this been deciphered by an Egyptologist? Link?
Though I'm not sure what this depicts, but I wonder why that figurine is offering a bird to a 'vase with reeds'? I would make an offering, as sacrifice, a bird to someone and not to a flower vase!!

Cheers!

[edit on 7-4-2009 by mikesingh]

*I didn't say it wasn't a vase with an orchid...

...Which for some reason, appears to be the central theme of sort of sacrifice/offering ritual.

It is strange.

[edit on 7-4-2009 by Exuberant1]

reply to post by mikesingh


Mike , dont make me box your ears
I love just about everything you write, and usually tune into posts if it's your name, but this isnt a ET.

Read my 1st post , not 2nd post you have quoted.
Same page just further up.

Heiroglyph sounds:
Jar stand g hard g as in garden
Reed y y as in yellow

So without seeing the entire story I cant say exactly what its about. From memory this is in the tomb of Ptahhotep, North Saqqara? Its actually a lotus vase with 2 lotus inside: They didnt have 'perspective' so much so its not nessacarily making an 'offering' to the vase.
If the image doesn't correlate to a food offering depiction, it could be there to spell out sounds with the images, though this I believe is a food bounty depicition rather than 'sound'.

Either way at some stage they would have phoneticaly sounded ET in their hyroglyphs, not just depicted them. You can argue that the 'gods' were aliens and so the hyroglyphs representing horus etc are a glyph for 'alien', but its not, its for a 'god' or it's name more accuratley, I'm not saying they werent orginally visitors, but the fact is no heiroglyphs sound out alien visitor or anything similar.




[edit on 7-4-2009 by zazzafrazz]

Originally posted by zazzafrazz
...but the fact is no heiroglyohs sound out alient visitor or anything similar.

Would you honestly expect them to?

Since you appear to have some expertise in the area:

Even if ancient Egyptians did have an encounter with ETs - they would be unable to accurately express the encounter using the language and symbology available to them - they lacked the appropriate technological references to properly describe in words/language just what it is they had witnessed. Given the limitations of their 'primitive' language, imagery would be the best way for such a phenomenon to be documented and conveyed...

That said;

What images, hieroglyphs or words do you believe would be used to describe or depict such an alien encounter?
(could you post some examples of glyphs that have potential - if you know of any)

For example: How would an ancient Egyptian say 'Man from the stars' or describe a 'flying saucer'? What hieroglyph would best represent these things?

What about an alien abduction? how would this be depicted?

*If you found an alien abduction account inscribed into the wall of an Egyptian Pharaoh's tomb, would you take it literally, or would you attribute it to the 'mythology of the day'?

[edit on 7-4-2009 by Exuberant1]

reply to post by Exuberant1


Hi Exuberant,

Yes I would expect them to make at least 1 note of a alien as they were prolific record keepers and story tellers.
I don't know how they would describe a visitor from the stars in hyroglyphs because they havent. IE there is not one descriptoin/image for it, nor is there any sounded out text for a vistor that I am aware of, but I dont know all the writings by any means.

Aten the sun disc with arm rays can be seen as a UFO, but I believe it represents the sun as the source of life. The Nile and sun were pretty much all that mattered to them for survival.

I believe it plausable but NOT proven that they would attribute a 'God ' status to a visitor with superior technology that came from the sky. They certainly had a pantheon of celestial AND terrerstial gods. Whether their 'sky gods' are visitors is hard to prove. But they had crocs, cats, eagle depictions etc as gods, so they did portray that which was around them.

People say the Ezekial texts describe alien craft so thats probably a good point of reference at how older civilisations they MAY describe it.


Regarding your question:

*If you found an alien abduction account inscribed into the wall of an Egyptian Pharaoh's tomb, would you take it literally, or would you attribute it to the 'mythology of the day'?

HIstorically,and this is pure specualtion. not just Egyptian history , You could say Mohammed being taken to the Mount Jerusalem is a abduction, Ummm JC and Mary taransfiguration. Ezekial, anything that says the 'angels' or gods took me to 'heaven' or up in a cloud etc. But in Egypt I cant think of any simliar descriptions.

You can read this thread if you like, its about what was pharoah akhenaton, an alien etc:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I'll think about the 'how to describe such a thing' question you pose and see if I can russle up anything that could relate.

Cheers Zazz




[edit on 7-4-2009 by zazzafrazz]

Originally posted by zazzafrazz

I'll think about the 'how to describe such a thing' question you pose and see if I can russle up anything that could relate.

Thanks zazz.

lacking the historical precedent for this sort of thing, it is a requirement to put ourselves in their shoes, so to speak.

By doing this, we may be able to find an appropriate symbol or series of glyphs that could be representative of such an extraterrestrial event. This will aid in future searches, especially where the researcher isn't dismissive of the ET hypothesis or is respective of the more logical interpretations of it.

*To this end I have not been entirely successful. While there appears to be a preponderance of anomalous images and technology - the associated heiroglyphs are often not available, or not properly presented. (which is a shame).

I appreciate an insight you may be able to offer - the literature is predictably lacking in this particular area ;-)

reply to post by Exuberant1


sorry i added an edit above after you replied that adresses another of your questions...

"Regarding your question: *If you found an alien abduction account inscribed into the wall of an Egyptian Pharaoh's tomb, would you take it literally, or would you attribute it to the 'mythology of the day'? HIstorically,and this is pure specualtion. not just Egyptian history , You could say Mohammed being taken to the Mount Jerusalem is a abduction, Ummm JC and Mary taransfiguration. Ezekial, anything that says the 'angels' or gods took me to 'heaven' or up in a cloud etc. But in Egypt I cant think of any simliar descriptions. You can read this thread if you like, its about what was pharoah akhenaton, an alien etc: www.abovetopsecret.com... "

[edit on 7-4-2009 by zazzafrazz]

reply to post by zazzafrazz


I don't want to hoke through another thread searching for something that I know isn't there (and if it is, please link me to that post).

I asked you what you hieroglyphs, symbols or words the Egyptians may have used to represent an ET scenario - in your opinion. I asked for a few examples.

If you don't want to do that, do you acknowledge the possibility that imagery would be a better way to convey and communicate such an experience, given the limitations of the contemporary forms of communication?

*Also, as I consider you to be an independent researcher, and thus I place a great deal of value on any examples you may provide that might have been used to describe an ET scenario.

Thanks in advance.

Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by zazzafrazz

 

I asked you what you hieroglyphs, symbols or words the Egyptians may have used to represent an ET scenario - in your opinion. I asked for a few examples.


Thanks in advance.

none really that aren't pure speculation.

Unless as I said one wants to believe the 'gods' were aliens. If that's the case, then all images of aten, horus etc would be 'aliens' . Their names aren't a word used to describe 'visitor'. So its a matter of trying to substantiate that they mistook Aliens for gods and I'm not sure that can be proven.
Other images are the sundisc Aten and Akhenton the pharoah is speculated to be a alien as he was malformed, thats why i included the link as they are considered by some (not me) the physical evidence to some of ETs in Egypt. If you skip the part in the post on whether he was sick or a woman etc and go straight to 'was he an alien' its a quick read and a image if you require one of possible ET.

Image of sun disc Aten and people claim it a UFO
www.touregypt.net...
cheers zazz



[edit on 7-4-2009 by zazzafrazz]

reply to post by zazzafrazz



"none really that aren't pure speculation"

That is what I asked you for... several times. No matter.

I am done with you - you have monopolized too much of my time and are clearly not going to acquiesce to any of my requests or dive a direct answer to any of my questions. Your replies have not even been relevant to the subject matter contained their counterparts.

I'm done going around in circles with you.

Good day.

[edit on 7-4-2009 by Exuberant1]

reply to post by Exuberant1

I asked you what you hieroglyphs, symbols or words the Egyptians may have used to represent an ET scenario - in your opinion. I asked for a few examples.

I specifically answered your quesiton several times, I just don't think you understood my answers.