Phoenix police raid home of blogger whose writing is highly critical of them

Originally posted by fredtheman
reply to post by vcwxvwligen

 

HUH????????
Where did I call you a psycho?Conspiracy or otherwise?
We are talking about vaccinations now?
Scratches head...

[edit on 4-4-2009 by fredtheman]

That was in reference to your "dig" about another thread.

I didn't take it as a compliment.

reply to post by vcwxvwligen

Your thread was about sinister overtones in the show King of Queens...
It wasnt meant as a compliment...
Boy you sure showed me
BTW why do you have like over a thousand negative points?

back to the topic at hand....
Lets not be swayed by people trying to change the subject(as i have i admit it LOL)
What were the results of everyones phone calls?

From the top of my head this raid sounds very bad. Like someone else previously mentioned, the constitution lays out some fairly specific "directions" for obtaining a search warrant, something I have personally done myself on numerous occasions. What's odd is the items that have been taken don't seem to all be connected to the crimes that the search warrant was supposed to produce evidence of, especially the tax records. It would be a stretch to say they needed those.
I can fathom them wanting to conduct a search warrant to obtain information about a leak on the department as it could have related to a matter of officer safety. I admit this course of thinking is speculatory on my part and tends to be against what the previous posts said the raid was for, ie; petty theft and computer tampering.
If we start to see a rise in cases like this, where government takes action against bloggers and journalists and nothing is done to counter it and defend our first amendment rights then we may be giving up our ability to inform the populace of anything.

If anyone in that area can get a copy of the affidavit and post it that would be outstanding.

Police Officer: Hi judge we are here to a court appointed warrant
Judge: Alright well what is the charge against him that would allow me to give you guys a search warrant.
Police Officer: He's Blogging sir!
Judge: I've heard enough, warrant approved!


What the HECK is going on in this country!!!!!

I know this about Phx PD

But they do take their lead from Sheriff Joe's policies

and Joe

Him and those in the Phx PD supply the nations Meth and allot of Blow straight through Phx... there is only one gateway and a few roads through this city, I know per fact from personal dealings how incredibly paid off people are within the PD and the Sheriffs depts

They like to raid a trailer now and again and bust some bath tub brewers so Americans think Meth is mainly made by red necks in the wilderness or ghetto

But the reality is 70% or more of the Meth in America drives right through Phx AZ from massive laboratories in central Mexico for lack of a better term and Sheriff Joe is the corrupt man that allows it.

The man should face the death penalty one day but by the time the elderly that come here to die stop voting for him he will be too old for it too matter when the truth is revealed anyway

The real

Sheriff Joe is on level almost with Idi Amin or Bin Laden

Don't agree?

This man for all intents and purposes caused a fringe evil drug like Meth to be popularized... where prior it WAS nothing more than some nasty bad ass stuff some bikers liked to ship around...

He opened the doors via Phx, got in cooperation with the right Mexicans and got the stuff into mass production and made it main stream

Why?

It was the perfect drug... probably the Only drug who's effects could rationalize the spending on police, the war on drugs and all the other dictatorial policies and funding

It kills... so it's perfect, kept him in power, made him rich, left him the golden boy of the cartels, kept the money coming from the Fed

and manifested as "the drug they warned us about for the last 40 years"

LOL they literally had to push the stuff themselves to rationalize what they are doing.

And Thousands have died horrible deaths

Maybe Millions more have either ruined or damaged their lives

Tens of Thousands of people have gone to jail

and the bodies lay in graves all across America

and ONE MAN is Responsible...

JOE ARPAYO.

He had the inroads with both the bikers and the Mexicans, kept the peace between the Gangs and Policed the whole operation for the last 20 years.

All while appealing to the votes of paranoid Senior citizens who dominate the vote here in snow bird land by claiming to be "Americas Toughest Sheriff"

The policies here, were literally designed to force people into hiding... starting with Keeping Marijuana a FELONY for simple possession under a gram and including "the toughest dui laws in the nation"

If you can't go out without a dui and even weed can land you Prison time...

of course people went for the orderless, self manufacturing very hard to catch you with, no need to leave your home Meth

The effects of which are so dangerous that... they can justify kicking your door in without a warrant

But the REAL

I have seen Meth houses stay up even in decent neighborhoods YEARS without ever being busted and know the cops here to kick doors in an arrest people for minor possession

Toughest Sheriff?

I can drive down to the Square or south side or sunny slope... Right now

and It's an open Market for Meth...

I know girls who will...drive down to the square and suck some Mexicans off... and come back with free stuff every day, right out in the open like a big flea market, many people, large numbers... open in plain view... over Square Miles of this city

and the cops do nothing... at all

Not like ... scoring herb in central park in NYC where the Cops WILL ticket/ bring you in

But like a big 3rd world open market of Death Vials...like some psuedo Mad Max scenario out on the street

The man made THIS... The FACE of AMERICA




and he is the REASON it happened and people are too stupid to realize

I'm just going to go ahead and say it. This particular "blogger" is an idiot. I can base this on one simple fact. Here is what he said:

“They broke into my safe and took the backups of my backups,”

You NEVER leave your backups of your backups anywhere near the same location as the originals. Even if it was in your backyard in some underground bunker.

Other than that little detail, I feel pretty bad for the guy. His "rights" were surely violated. However, I can't help but see where this is going to be another story completely taken out of context for the purpose of making all police look bad. Imagine if we were all so readily enthusiastic about posting the great and wonderful things cops have done within our communities..

Honestly, there is more than meets the eye when it comes to this little situation. Just think about it: Those officers have to answer to someone as to why the raid was carried out and how it was done in a lawful manner.

This is crooked as it gets. A year ago I knew about a business in Phoenix that fraudulently walked away with at least 250, 000 dollars. In fact, this guy is so bold he took 40, 000 of it 4 days before the landlord evicted him! The point being the Phoenix police told everyone involved that nothing could be done. I can absolutely prove this as fact. It seems odd then that they can make time for a 'petty' crime and serve a search warrant. In my opinion, this is corruption.

It is interesting that this topic has become so popular with so many stars an flags however with relatively few people posting. I often hear very strong talk on ATS about not following the sheep, the government, the NWO and anyone else who would stomp on our rights. I am perplexed as to why so many of those voices seem silent on this thread. It seems like people might be afraid of reprisals from LE especially in this case where these cops have shown they are very capable of striking back. Where is the outrage? Where is everyone?

Last, I say some of us join forces on here and put this information out on the internet in places they can't touch with a raid or subpoena.

reply to post by M0n0lyth


I agree with most of what you say except the backups. This guy is not a multi-national corporation that requires off site backup especially if he had them in a fire proof safe. He is a private person and almost every home user usually never does a backup, let alone one stored in a safe, let alone an off site backup. Hind sight is 20/20 and I am sure that he had no idea the jackboots would drop kick his door down.

Originally posted by M0n0lyth

Honestly, there is more than meets the eye when it comes to this little situation. Just think about it: Those officers have to answer to someone as to why the raid was carried out and how it was done in a lawful manner.

Your wrong,

Your not dealing with America down here... not as you know it, on the surface it looks like any other strip mall of a place, but no... they have to answer to no one... not anyone who doesn't sanction this at the least.

This isn't business as usual...

Joe... is in deep with the US Govt, Mexican Mafia, Sheriffs dept

The Mexican Military escorts the stuff into AZ usually, from there it hits Phx where it is distributed, to various hispanic gangs and to biker gangs and the Aryan Nation who transport it around America

This is backed by the military of two nations, the Mexican Mafia and the sheriffs dept in a county where the man is virtually by law omnipotent

Kid's lucky he is alive... the cops who ratted very well might not be



Account?

To who?

Speed was introduced mainstream... it's bigger than Joe, it's HOW they bring in the Police State, it's organized...

It makes you work, makes you paranoid, keeps you in your house... it's a mindset you want in your people if your heading to war...

it's intentional and Joe finds himself the center piece...

There's a reason Hitler liked Meth and fed it to his people and troops and we haven't seen it since the days of Nazi Germany aside from certain fringe elements until recently.

The effects are conducive to their goals...

Account?

I don't even like saying this in an anonymous forum...

Really hope someone listens... it explains a whole hell of allot, I am saying what I am with 100% certainty

This whole situation down here at the border of Mexico it goes way up... not just one ladder but many and these people all Kill to get what they want.

Let me repeat,

Mexican Maffia'S, Central American GangS, Local corrupt Police, Corrupt Police in Mexico, American Military Officials, Mexican Military Officials, DEA, The Sheriiff of Maricopa County for the last 20 + years, Various numerous Biker Gangs, Aryan Nation,

no telling exactly how many of our politicians are bought and sold by these various players, but they include... Bill Clinton, Bush both from various people and angles including military and distribution, part of the war on Afghanastan is about the Heroin trade...Tensions with Venezuela all public bs aside have allot to do with our relationship with Columbia

and Obama is certainly no stranger to these politics being from Chicago...

Account to who?

These cops can bust down anyone's door they feel like anywhere mostly in America and no judge will oppose them because the politicians over there heads are in the dope game...

whole precincts, whole counties like Maricopa ARE right now for all intents and purposes...

Independent Narco Economies

There are some districts and some places and some cops that care and... play their role, you know...no drug dealer can ever get too close to the top...

even big guys have to go sometimes, and the cops are the soldiers in one part of this dance...good ones in there, maybe most are good...

But there bosses aren't and in the end their orders...even the laws they enforce are paid for by narco terrorists

at the top... it is best if drugs are illegal, much more money guns and power for the narco states like Columbia and Mexico and Afghanastan if illegal...




Some guys talking about corruption on the net and the cops come in and take his stuff?

He's lucky he's alive, he's lucky he wasn't one of dozens and dozens of kidnapping via Mexico down here

lol

the cops sent a goon squad to identify who was talking inside they could make an example of them..., bunch of guys given orders...

probably handed to a squad with a couple of guys that came mighty close to failing the psychological rofl...


I'll agree though....

Kids really stupid...

I'm not comfortable saying what i'm saying... I'd never be putting myself on display as a leader in opposition to any part of the narco terror machine...

some one might shoot me in the head lol, seriously though...

he had his info in a safe and he's going public on police corruption using inside sources and... lol has no genuine back up in life, a girl roomate (i.e. can't afford rent)

Total Idiot

"Maybe i'll put up a Website on the Internets and be an Internet Celebrity maybe i'll be An Hero too..."



This guy had one hell of a plan here rofl

reply to post by GTORick


Point taken, but I was thinking more along the lines of a parent's house / Safety Deposit Box / trusted friends house. Nothing that involves the need to have lots of extra money. Just anywhere but in the same location as everything else. The things he was backing up appear to be more important than the music that I compose as I just do it as a hobby yet always manage to keep off-site backups of every work I've done. For him to be saving backups of files of legal importance within close proximity to eachother (all the while knowing he was a target of theirs to begin with) just screams carelessness.


@ mopusvindictus:

You're correct. I was looking at this issue based on my locale. It appears I may have typed before really giving this the deepness of thought and research required. It was an initial response that I just had to vent. I'll have to look further into the situation down there. Your post has just opened up a nice fresh can of worms for me to dig into! I knew corruption there was higher than average but I was not aware it was quite that bad. A star for you!

As for who would hold them accountable: When a story like this gets into the public eye the department better have a nice solid reason for going into someone's house/appartment or what have you, and taking their belongings. It's not just the officer's superiors that they must report to, it's the public around the event that will hold the officers accountable. They'd first have to prove why that much force needed to be used in the first place. That would be a tricky question for them to answer as the evidence would need to be provided in front of a jury. Also taken into account would be the people who had direct relationships with the victim. One must also think of why this story was allowed to be released in the first place if there is so much "obvious" foul play involved. Though now I think of how deep you say the corruption is and if that is the case nobody would question anything the police do.

Hmm, now I'm even more interested.

Originally posted by Chronogoblin
This is the sort of thing that wins people multi-million dollar lawsuits against the goverment. I bet there are already powerful lawyers out there just slavering at the mouth on this one. It may be hard right now for the person who got raided, but give it 6 months or more, after the lawsuit. That Judge is probably going to lose his seat, any police involved are going to get the shaft. The big boys in gov don't like it when LEO's and local officials give people reasons to sue the gov out of bags of money.

Chrono

Well, Maricopa county has, according to Wikipedia, paid more than 43 million dollars in settlement claims, and Arpaio's still in office. To me, this sends the message to the police and sheriff's office "Do whatever you need to do, we'll handle the backlash"

Originally posted by M0n0lyth
It appears I may have typed before really giving this the deepness of thought and research required. It was an initial response that I just had to vent. I'll have to look further into the situation down there. Your post has just opened up a nice fresh can of worms for me to dig into!

Kudos to you!

It has been quite some time since I have had the chance to see a member make such a dignified retraction - or even A retraction for that matter...

I look forward to reading any future research/comments you make with regards to this incident.

What can I say... Your post is admirable ;-)

It looks like now that City's and States are going to use the law to get at any records that might be use against them in Court.

This is the type of story that should be sent to every station and every news source in the country, and all that can should file FOIA request for every type of information that has anything to do with this Raid!

Make it so they are unable to hide what they have done, it will come out and maybe the courts can put a few more bad officials away for a few years.

reply to post by ANNED


While I disagree with this raid, do not associate it with Sheriff Joe. He is GREAT and wish we had more like him. This was the Phoenix Police Dept, not the Maricopa County Police. Don't play guilt with association. That's Obama's job.

reply to post by Nunny

Please explain to me how this man can be considered "Great".He seems to be at the VERY least implicated in the deaths of a BUNCH of people..
The county seems to have payed out MILLIONS to his "victims"..please explain.
I am not even being sarcastic i am genuinely curious.

As a previous post stated, something needs to be done about this. If anyone knows how to contact this blogger, I have a spare router and an old desktop PC that I am willing to donate to his cause.

This news story finally hit drudgereport:

This link came directly from drudge:
www.azcentral.com...

I was wondering how long it would take.

Originally posted by Raist
While I agree it was a bad thing and the other adult was stupid there is more to that story than a simple few posts. But no one listens to normal people anymore. We now need laws to protect us from ourselves and make up for our obvious lack of common sense. So this is where the now said harassment could have come from, by posting “abusive” material about the police.

You can't regulate stupidity. That is what they try to do. Just look at the infant's Tylenol and other drugs. Because there are really stupid people out there who don't or can't read the box, that brought us the laws now, that took it off the shelf and now you have to go to the doctor every time you kid get's a fever.

You will never be able to regulate stupidity, it's called natural selection.

Two very good pieces of advice to everyone:

1. Never write anything that can be used against you later
2. Never keep copies in your home, office or anywhere they can get to them.