Are these really photos of "Inner Earth" taken by the ESSA satellites?

Well, if we are talking about the North pole, yes, there is a military presence. Because of the oil underground, USA, Russia and Canada have all staked claims on most of the North with Russia even going as far as planting a flag at the bottom of the ocean to try and establish their right to the oil. Canada has had a number of bases in the high north arctic region for many years.

What I find funny is that no one had challenged Canada's claim to the area in fact no one wanted it until oil was found. Now Canada is beefing up its military presence in the high north to try and keep its sovereignty of the north west passage (now that its opening up due to less ice) and the area in question.

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well i can see where's he's coming from there, like, there's really no conspiracy saying those countries don't exist, and there's not much going against the fact that our earth is round, and it revolves around the sun...

however, there seems to be lots of testimony saying that the Earth is hollow...

science is constantly changing, and there are facts being discovered all the time that disprove some earlier knowledge of science from history - right now, even though they still teach that the sun is powered by nuclear fusion in schools, it's becoming known that our sun is really an electric ball of plasma...
watch this video for proof: video.google.com...

both of you make good points, though!

Originally posted by adrenochrome
there's really no conspiracy saying those countries don't exist, and there's not much going against the fact that our earth is round, and it revolves around the sun...

www.djod.co.uk...
(ok, so this first one's probably a joke, the other two are quite seriously believed by some and I've debated both issues before)
www.alaska.net...
hypertextbook.com...
People come up with conspiracies for EVERYTHING. Just because someone claims something or questions the existence of something does not mean that those claims should be given any weight at all. If you are of the notion that you shouldn't believe something if a conspiracy against it exists, then you shouldn't believe in just about anything.

right now, even though they still teach that the sun is powered by nuclear fusion in schools, it's becoming known that our sun is really an electric ball of plasma...

The electron flux present in the solar system is completely inadequate at explaining the energy of the sun, especially considering that the dominant wind of electrons moves away from the sun, not towards it. I've heard this claim before as well and have no reason to believe a word of it.

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Originally posted by Chadwickus
There's nothing stopping anyone from going to the North pole.

Many, many people have gone there, even the guys from Top Gear managed to drive there in a Hilux.

There is no hole there, nor is there a hole in the south pole.

I was going to make the same comment but on here if you said the Earth was pyramid shape someone on here would confirm it as true!

I would think if there was a hole in the pole, it would not be some enormous canyon that our moon could fall into. I would see it as more of mine shaft type of thing or even a manhole.

If there is a hole, I am also sure that the government would know about it and would likely have built over the hole, whether it be some type of structure or just simply ice and/or snow, making it nearly impossible to find unless you know exactly where to look.

Anyone ever see AVP?

Anyway, I don't think this would be visible from any satellite imagery.

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my point is, is that we most likely still don't know exactly what it's powered from, but all science is is the best explanation we've got for reality thus far, until something newer's discovered...

in 500 years from now they're going to laugh at our "modern" science explanations, just like we snicker at "known" science from 500 years ago, because it's so... "primitive"...

...and have you even seen that "Thunderbolts of the Gods" video yet?

[edit on 3-4-2009 by adrenochrome]

Originally posted by adrenochrome
reply to post by ngchunter

 

my point is, is that we most likely still don't know exactly what it's powered from, but all science is is the best explanation we've got for reality thus far, until something newer's discovered...

I see nothing wrong with science's current explanation of fusion and nothing superior about electric sun theory.

in 500 years from now they're going to laugh at our "modern" science explanations, just like we snicker at "known" science from 500 years ago, because it's so... "primitive"...

In speculative matters like string theory and dark matter, probably yes, in well-established facts like fusion energy and heliocentrism, no. That's all assuming we survive for 5 more centuries. I have serious doubts about that.

...and have you even seen that "Thunderbolts of the Gods" video yet?

Can't view google, youtube, or similar videos. I've seen the arguments presented by EU theory before, I don't want to derail the thread but it's nothing new and I find it doesn't hold water. It's no different than arguments for flat earth theory or geocentrism, there's an alternative explanation for everything but that doesn't make it the correct explanation.

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Originally posted by ngchunter
...there's an alternative explanation for everything but that doesn't make it the correct explanation.

...and it certainly doesn't make the first explanation for something the correct one, either!

as a matter of fact, the original explanations and theories are usually proven wrong as science progresses into the future!

but yes, back to the thread!

that is, if anyone else can shed some new light on this subject!

[edit on 3-4-2009 by adrenochrome]

Originally posted by ngchunter

Originally posted by iiinvision

well until you go there with proof that there is no hole in either pole, you will not know....just like the rest of us....

How do you know that China/Russia/insert country here, exists? Nevermind the millions who live there or have claimed to have been there, unless you've been yourself you "can't know," at least by your logic. How do you know the world is round or that it isn't the center of the solar system? Have you tested it for yourself? How do you know if anyone has actually been to space? Have you seen it for yourself? There are some basic things in life you shouldn't need to see for yourself to believe.

[edit on 3-4-2009 by ngchunter]

you are absolutely correct...in your reality tunnel you assume I think along the same lines others that you have encountered in your experiences on earth, and you seem to think that I believe that there is a hole in the poles of the earth and all kinds of other hooplah.

The fact is you have no idea what I believe and further more my main point is that nobody on ATS will likely ever visit antarctica's south pole.

There are videos like this which make you think



there are many books written on how the human brain functions and that whenever anyone of us encounter someone or something that conflicts with our reality tunnel, we automatically reject it...

there are plenty of half truths and overstatements of truth purposefully put into the public arena to hide truth in plain sight and to leave people incapable of coming to sensible conclusions on how to best protect their country, their morals and values, themselves and their loved ones.

The evidence of this is all around you and here you are correct, you don't need anyone to show you that this is true....it is simply something that anyone can observe if they aren't completely numb to reality.


millions of people exist...this is physical reality...what I am speaking of is conditional reality...

millions of people can be conditioned to believe a lie,fantasy, falsehood if it is repeated enough times...

the newest of all the sciences are the mind sciences...the study of the mind and how it functions. How the mind can be controlled and manipulated in all ways and how behavior can be altered. This # is new and of course ideologies about the earth's compositions that conflict are likely to stir controversy, but the fact of the matter is that knowing that china exists and knowing what the # is really going on in antarctica are two entirely different things.

time will soon reveal these mysteries...if not in our generation, then perhaps in our children's....and who knows even that may be, ike our ancestors' conditioning, a complete fabrication created to maintain control over a large amount of human being.


These pictures are probably not a picture of inner earth, nor has anything you have ever read about what an inner earth could be like actually exist. If you go spelunking and explore caves and go farther than others before you, you might see a variety of things. Maybe molten rock, however someone else in the world could do the exact same thing in another cave(or even in the same one) and have a different experience of reality. Both perspectives are considered truth because they are merely perceptions....

...call me ignorant, but are there not regular trips to the north pole, much like the adventure seekers that attempt mount Everest every season?

Its not like the north pole is on the moon , but what do I know? those thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of people that have been there must have overlooked a hole the size of the united states.

we'll blame snow blindness.

This is the crazy nonsense I expect to see every time I log on to this site. It is unforunately more the rule than the exception. It goes something like this "Because we don't know everything, we know nothing. Let's just throw all common sense, logic, and science to the wind and believe whatever we want that will fit in conveniently with our own pet theories." I don't know what that picture is, sir, but I doubt very much it is a bona fide picture of the earth. I don't see how any planetary body could form with a big hole through its center, not without being incredibly unstable. My bit of knowledge concerning planetary evolution says no way. There are no other examples of that type of formation in our solar system.

But just to play devil's advocate, let's say there was this huge hole. Then every group that has ever made an expediton to the poles, every government that sponsored such an expediton, every person involved in tracking polar satelliltes, had to be in on the conspiracy. And why??? Why would anyone care to conceal this information from the public? What difference would it make? If you're going to suggest a conspiracy, I ask one thing: show me a motive.

OK, here's a satellite picture of the North Pole. No hole here!


Courtesy: earthcam.com

Cheers!

Originally posted by Charis
There are no other examples of that type of formation in our solar system.

actually, check out these claims!

...observe in the above infrared image of Venus' northern pole how the atmospheric gases grow colder (darker) as you near the pole, but then, unexpectedly, shows up white-hot at the exact geographic pole. In my opinion nothing could be more proof positive of a polar opening and an internal sun/dynamo.

hollowplanet.blogspot.com...

furthermore:
www.esa.int...

and as for Neptune...

Perhaps then it is plausible to assign this phenomenon to a larger class of observed instances where planetary poles radiate heat and light generated within the bowels of the planetary mass.

hollowplanet.blogspot.com...

well, do i believe this?? not really!

however, i just wanted to show you where this guy's logic, if you want to call it that, resides...

but seriously, how cool would a Hollow Earth be to have?! wouldn't it be awesome if there was a whole other civilization dwelling inside our planet?! for this concept alone, i think because some people want it to be true so badly, they'll say anything to prove that their fantasy is right!

that mindset alone can account for many claims on this site, too...

Originally posted by adrenochrome
...and it certainly doesn't make the first explanation for something the correct one, either!

Considering the first explanation has plenty of heavy evidence and eyewitness testimony behind it, the alternative must now prove itself correct with even harder evidence, not the other way around.

Originally posted by iiinvision

you are absolutely correct...in your reality tunnel you assume I think along the same lines others that you have encountered in your experiences on earth, and you seem to think that I believe that there is a hole in the poles of the earth and all kinds of other hooplah.

I didn't say what you believed, but you definitively tried to cast doubt on the no-hole position by asserting that only witnessing something first hand in person is good enough to prove that there's no hole. There is no difference between that line of thinking and that which gives some level of credence to conspiracies along the lines of flat earth/geocentrism/etc.

The fact is you have no idea what I believe and further more my main point is that nobody on ATS will likely ever visit antarctica's south pole.

You obviously blew right past my main point, which is that visiting the south pole in person isn't necessary to debunk this.

[edit on 5-4-2009 by ngchunter]

Originally posted by ngchunter

You obviously blew right past my main point, which is that visiting the south pole in person isn't necessary to debunk this.

[edit on 5-4-2009 by ngchunter]

I believe your point is severely flawed in this regard. You cannot and will not debunk this without ''visiting'' the south pole.

Did you even watch the video??

In the end....you have your reality tunnel. Everyone has their own. Anything that conflicts with your reality tunnel will be rejected, and your ''point'' is simply proof of this axiom of human psychology.

I perceive your point to be the antithesis of denying ignorance, in relation to this topic.

Its not hollow earth, its just that the mosaic of satellite images was not constructed from the NOAA 17 and/ or NOAA 18 polar orbiting satellite.

Is it that hard to understand? Really.... :shk:

Originally posted by iiinvision
I believe your point is severely flawed in this regard. You cannot and will not debunk this without ''visiting'' the south pole.

Basic science showing the mass, density, and composition of the earth is sufficient to debunk it. If you refuse to believe that you may as well believe the earth is flat because you haven't personally witnessed anything to the contrary.

Anything that conflicts with your reality tunnel will be rejected, and your ''point'' is simply proof of this axiom of human psychology.

Incorrect. If you could provide hard evidence that everything describing the structure of the earth is wrong I would believe you, but that means doing more than posting youtube videos which I can't even view. I see nothing here proving a hollow earth; if you'd like to do more than make false arguments regarding axiomatic beliefs, great, otherwise there's nothing to believe.

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The only possibility I have heard of is man-made tunnels.
These would be invisible from the surface. There is no way there could be a HUGE hole in either of the polar regions without someone finding out about it by now. But, tunnels, underground bases - that would be a different story.

Originally posted by adrenochrome
reply to post by ngchunter

 

my point is, is that we most likely still don't know exactly what it's powered from, but all science is is the best explanation we've got for reality thus far, until something newer's discovered...

in 500 years from now they're going to laugh at our "modern" science explanations, just like we snicker at "known" science from 500 years ago, because it's so... "primitive"...

...and have you even seen that "Thunderbolts of the Gods" video yet?

[edit on 3-4-2009 by adrenochrome]

Just because we dont believe some science from 500 yrs doesn't mean 500 yrs from now all our science will be debunked does it!
Many things we know of today have proofs of one sort or another so they wont change.

2+2 =4 in 500yrs it wont be 5 will it!
Some people believed the world was flat (some idiots still do) now we know its round and have various ways of proving that, 500 yrs from now it wont becaome a square will it!
A few people on here at every opertunity bring up this electric universe even when it has no connection to the thread its mentioned on WE HAVE seen the site you dont have to metion it again!
Unless on a thread about that subject!