Bible Theory Debate on NWO

reply to post by DrumsRfun


So what made you a non believer if you were a semi believer.
I can say, I have followed this stuff most of my life, and I see it happening clear as day. I am convinced there are no such things as luck or coincidence.
Open your mind and heart and receive God's gift of salvation.

From the theological perspective, the Book of Revelation was not written to be a direct prophecy about the end of the world. Rather, like the Book of Daniel in the Old Testament, it was designed to be a report on what was going on around the intended audience.

Like the Epistles, which were written to be read by the Churches to whom they were addressed (Romans, Hebrews, Ephesians... etc) and to take issue to make corrections and to offer inspiration to the community (Romans, Corinthians 1 and 2, Philippians)... this was the intent of the Book of Revelation.

Without a doubt in my mind, Revelation describes the geopolitical situation of Rome in c.a. 100AD. For example, 666 is Caesar Nero. Perform a simple Google search to get the full proof and information about this topic, it is really fascinating and I cannot do it justice.

Therefore, whether you believe in the spiritual authority of the Bible, it is important to understand the historical relevance of the Bible.

Now, that having been established, I understand that a criticism of this point is to say that, "yes, it has happened before, and will happen again."

The only thing in Revelation that would support that fact is in the 21st Chapter of the Book which states that the Dragon will be released from the pit once more before the end of time, at which, he will be cast into the lake of flame and destroyed forever. This "second coming" of Satan, is covered in a few lines and is in the final part of the Book, and would be considered to be one of the only real prophecies being made.

Ok, I will grant that there is the possibility that history will repeat itself. However, it is best to have an actual understanding of the Bible rather than just use it for fear mongering and political purposes. Not that I accuse the OP of making his/her argument in this manner, but, it is a recurring fact that Revelation has been used for less-than-holy purposes in the past.

reply to post by PaidInFull


Lets not make this about my beliefs.
I don't wish to discuss where I am at...worry about you and i will worry about me.
Stick to the topic please.

reply to post by badmedia


Thank you. You wrote that so eloquently.

I agree with you about the mark of the beast being a means of economical control, however the Bible says “No man may buy or sell without the mark”

It’s also true about us going through trials and tribulations now but the 7 year Tribulation will be much different. Unlike anything we have ever seen.

I’m assuming that some will see this to be true and others to curse God for that to happen.

You worded that very nicely and yes it’s getting more obvious. Thank you for the references.

My opinion is that it will take something Catastrophic to happen first.

My assumption is a total global economic collapse followed by several natural disasters. Possibly just one could set this off.

Originally posted by wonderworld

I also bellieve in the Pre-Trib but many others debate it saying he wont come 3 times only once at the end. Know what I mean?

I don't think there will be three Raptures. I can't say which time it would happen for certain, but I would hope before the SHTF.

reply to post by Iago18


Yes, by no means is this strictly about the book of Revelation.

Several other passages like you mention Book of Daniel in the Old Testament and several other old Testament verse’s that coincide with Revelation.

The Bible is full of good positive information about Love, honor, Dedication, etc, etc,,

I don’t find Revelation to be solely a fear mongering book, however. This chapter usually turns people off. I met a guy once who ripped the whole chapter of Revelation out of his Bible.

I had to remind him that the last verse says “no man can add or take away from this book” (Something similar). It does freak a lot of people out.

reply to post by WickettheRabbit


I guess their argument is that if he returns pre-trib he wouldn’t be allowed to return at the end as the Bible says.

There is a difference between the Rapture and the return of Christ for the 1000 years.

Many argue between pre-trib, post-trib and mid-trib. Some have interesting points. I’m still a pre-trib believer like you. I do find mid-trib to be a very interesting theory though.

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This may sound off the wall but how many think when the Rapture occurs causing people to vanish in thin air they will blame it on an Alien invasion and request all to rush in and get an RFID chip implant for identification purposes.

They will make up some excuse, as to why people have vanished. Atheists wont be sold on the Christian’s View point.




OR This explanation?




It will leave a lot of explaining to do to those who dont believe. My theory is Alien abductions. They probably wont announce a Bible prophecy has been fulfilled.

I don't think the rapture is real. I can't find any real scripture that supports it.

Also, what makes that current group of people more special than all the people who have been killed, tortured and such over the same things? As I mentioned earlier, these things have been going on for quite some time, and killing people and such has always been the method of dealing with those who threaten the "PTB", even Jesus.

So the idea that some later group of people is somehow more important than all the people in the past to be raptured is out of place to me. A personal rapture I could more see, but not on the scale of what others say.

reply to post by badmedia


They don’t make other people less important.

All that have died in God’s name are martyr’s

As a matter of fact the dead rise first.

reply to post by wonderworld


wonderworld well I found your thread. Not sure if you posted it twice or something?

Anyhoo, I don't sweat it much as far as the Rapture. I know there are tons of books and many different views on it. I just know that if the time comes before I die of natural causes, that I'm going to know what to do. I keep my ear tuned for a trumpet and a loud "Come up here!" --- one way or the other we'll get there whether thru pre mid or post.

People get ready
Theres a train a-coming
You dont need no baggage
You just get on board
All you need is faith
To hear the diesels humming
Dont need no ticket no
You just thank the lord




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reply to post by Bombeni


You know I wish I was as bold as you about stating facts.

I appreciate your help. Most are afraid religion is a means to control or other opinions.

I'm surprised more people havent put the pieces together yet.

A NWO is the same as A One World Government, as predicted.

Many references of the nwo/one world gov't can be found in the bible, and it's not just the mark of the beast either. Devil worship, occultism, and symbols are bountiful in the scriptures. Revelation 2:9 deals with the ones who claim to be jews, but are not. They are actually demonic worshippers of the synagogue of satan. Then you have the worshipping of the demonic god "Molech" in the book leviticus in 18:21, and 20:2,3,4,5,6. That reference alone will lead you to "Bohemien Grove" california where they practice effigy sacrifices to the great horned owl "molech". In many other parts of the bible it even refers to God using medians as a tool to confuse a king or two. Lots of things can be found in the bible if one looks close enough.

reply to post by thewind


Yes, Devil worship and occultism is rampant throughout the Country.

Also in Salem Oregon and Spirit Lake Idaho. Too many to list.

I have neighbors who dance naked around the moon.

I’m the only house around that is decked out with Christmas lights during the Christmas holiday.

Ive got 2 Buddhists neighbors, one Wiccan and some Blair Witch type people living near by with stick figures hanging in their trees. Very ODD!



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reply to post by wonderworld


When it comes to Christianity, beating around the bush doesn't gain you any more friends here than just coming right out with it. I'm not trying to "save" anyone by what I post, as according to the Bible our works are as "filthy rags" -- we are saved by Grace alone. I just see prophecy coming to a boiling point and it is a very interesting subject to me.

reply to post by Bombeni


I see it, as well. I'm keeping an eagle eye on this G20 summit.

They all are pushing for a NWO. Kissinger, Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43, Obama, Gordon Brown and Sarkozy have all said the words "New World Order"

You can see them here. NWO Presidents












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reply to post by wonderworld



I only caught the tail end on NPR radio earlier today but they were saying something about the Arabs being more in favor of Obama's position at this G20 than anyone else. The reporter was marveling at this aspect. What strange times we live in.

reply to post by wonderworld


Uh-huh, I caught that Obama phrase "global citizenship" -- dude wants to get that going real quick before it's proven that he wasn't born in the US.

There's another speech where he said in Germany I think "I come to you as a World Citizen" -- oh my Lord, what would JFK or General Patton say to that I wonder?!

reply to post by Bombeni


I think that's why Kennedy was Assassinated. He refused to follow the Illuninati agenda.

It is happening at a rapid pace like "birth Pangs" get my drift?

reply to post by Bombeni


I like your quote "dude wants to get that going real quick before it's proven that he wasn't born in the US."

Very good point I hadnt thought about that.