Re: Humanoid Aliens

I like this thread. Makes the mind stretch to new horizons about the meaning of "life". Then returning to humanity, we seem so FRAGILE, SHORT LIVED, and PRIMITIVE.

We're still traveling thru space in chemical propulsion systems, by ourselves not in communities to have company, we don't yet have a colony off-earth, we eat other animals, we need to physically eat rather than convert energy from incoming EM, we see in a limited EM wavelength range, we are limited by our need to dispose of our waste, we have lost the use and even understanding of our own special EM organs that might have the capability of non-verbal communication or certainly could have evolved rather than DEVOLVED (e.g. magnetic iron oxide sites in the brain), we are afraid of genetic enhancement as being against the, supposed, word of a "god" described in the current dominant written artifact, we worship GODS, we seek and respond to individual leaders as godlike symbols, we socialize ourselves in packs like other top level warm-blooded predators, we need mothers' milk to develop disease immunities, we are driven mad by the procreation instinct (i.e., we make war against imagined procreation rivals, we make war to gain mates), our technology is driven by irrational fears of other humans so we concentrqte our resources and skills on new ways to kill our fellow humans, we accelerate towards death when we pass the peak of procreation, ....many more...interesting to stretch the mind along this path!!!

More than the above list, humans still exhibit a fight or flee response to every new experience. We are so locked into our instinctive, small mammal, scurrying under the big feet of the extinct reptiles, that we can't stand the idea of having to cope with Alien beings different from us. ........but, maybe this is a handy set of traits in some cases, but these same traits might be what makes us bad or embarassing guests at the interglactic cocktail party, just saying.

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Please dont assume im new here just because of the lable on my name...and that qoute is infact not me talking but stephen hawkins.. so it helps if you read it befor you try and say it is me talking as i pointed out he is my mentor but i still disagree with some of his directions..

and no i dont need to read the terror papers but thank you for providing a link for others who are not as old as me who may not have read them.



assumption as the say is the mother of all cockups

Originally posted by symmetricAvenger
What is the explanation of why we have not been visited? One possibility is that the argument, about the appearance of life on Earth, is wrong. Maybe the probability of life spontaneously appearing is so low, that Earth is the only planet in the galaxy, or in the observable universe, in which it happened. Another possibility is that there was a reasonable probability of forming self reproducing systems, like cells, but that most of these forms of life did not evolve intelligence. We are used to thinking of intelligent life, as an inevitable consequence of evolution. But the Anthropic Principle should warn us to be wary of such arguments. It is more likely that evolution is a random process, with intelligence as only one of a large number of possible outcomes. It is not clear that intelligence has any long-term survival value. Bacteria, and other single cell organisms, will live on, if all other life on Earth is wiped out by our actions. There is support for the view that intelligence, was an unlikely development for life on Earth, from the chronology of evolution. It took a very long time, two and a half billion years, to go from single cells to multi-cell beings, which are a necessary precursor to intelligence. This is a good fraction of the total time available, before the Sun blows up. So it would be consistent with the hypothesis, that the probability for life to develop intelligence, is low. In this case, we might expect to find many other life forms in the galaxy, but we are unlikely to find intelligent life. Another way, in which life could fail to develop to an intelligent stage, would be if an asteroid or comet were to collide with the planet. We have just observed the collision of a comet, Schumacher-Levi, with Jupiter. It produced a series of enormous fireballs. It is thought the collision of a rather smaller body with the Earth, about 70 million years ago, was responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs. A few small early mammals survived, but anything as large as a human, would have almost certainly been wiped out. It is difficult to say how often such collisions occur, but a reasonable guess might be every twenty million years, on average. If this figure is correct, it would mean that intelligent life on Earth has developed only because of the lucky chance that there have been no major collisions in the last 70 million years. Other planets in the galaxy, on which life has developed, may not have had a long enough collision free period to evolve intelligent beings.

as you can see this is not a simple matter what so ever.. its all about faith and what we use as our logical paramaters!!!

Tho i do tend to disagree with my mentor, i will give him this.. Humans are VERY lucky to be here..

and if indeed life on other planets "even if not humaniod" are present and we are the only humaniods..

i point you to this conundrem. given the nature of time and the universe.. each alien "humaniod" could infact be US in a paralell universe..

It gets stranger the more on looks into it..

Think of this.. we are infact alone in our entire univervese but the multiverse has created humans into an infinity amount of possibities..

would that be enough to settle this issue?

the rate of probiblity for a race on a given timeline / verse would be the same as aliens with intelence with huminoid features

just wanted to add to the debate more ideas based on theory.

they are not my words but someone who i admire MR S Hawking

as i said befor this was not me talking and i did make that clear at the end of my post...

this is in refence to

post by Amaterasu

helps if you read befor you post!!

Originally posted by symmetricAvenger
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

Please dont assume im new here just because of the lable on my name...

Well... Fair enough. I saw the date and figured you had not been around long - the probabilities were very good that that was true.

and that qoute is infact not me talking but stephen hawkins..

I see. It is common practice here at ATS to put quoted material between the [ quote ] [ / quote ] tags. Thus I had no idea it was a quote until scrolling down a long ways. I do apologize that I failed to read the very last line.

so it helps if you read it befor you try and say it is me talking as i pointed out he is my mentor but i still disagree with some of his directions..

And it helps to use the quote tags...

and no i dont need to read the terror papers but thank you for providing a link for others who are not as old as me who may not have read them.

Only "terror" papers if one is fearful of the facts. [smile]

assumption as the say is the mother of all cockups

Agreed, but you must admit that one had to work fairly hard to discover that you were merely quoting.

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I am sorry about not using the qoutes as i just wanted to add more to the debate in the way its ment to be but i shall do so in future if its best practice for some, even tho i stated it at the bottom of my post

and it does not seem that hard to me when i stated it at the end of my post

Agreed, but you must admit that one had to work fairly hard to discover that you were merely quoting.

Unless you missed it? its all about how one reads others posts.. and if you would have read the thread from the start and the probiblity you did not but did skim over some..

then you will see my grammer and spelling do not match the post i made above my own retorical comments.

and further more the papers of what you have posted are infact not evedince but conjecture based on hear say.. the very same thing that made the bible the lovely book it is today with just as many followers tho granted i did like your witty comment about fear

thats one think i dont have,., a fear of being honest about what and who i am.

Now lets get back ontopic as i dont want to be singled out for statements or things other than the topic at hand, as iv just witneessed it first hand over 2 pages,, areguments abotu who is right and who is wrong when infact the topic is about probability

not ideoligy

what if we are genetically engineered race, or offspring of the humanoid aliens? like the man said, what if we really are related? the whole paradigm of us originating on earth would vanish.

Research findings continues work of DNA Nobel Prize Winner Dr. Francis Crick

Collaborative research from a gathering of exo-scientists postulate that there are genes from over 20 extraterrestrials civilizations in Human DNA. These exo-scientists have continued the work of Nobel Prize winner Dr. Frances Crick, and other scholars in this area. Current findings are consistent with reports of Professor Sam Chang, who discreetly released information on his own apparent findings, in association with the Human Genome Project.

Scientists are beginning to complain more and more about political attempts to compromise the integrity of their important work for humanity. The discreet releasing of findings, is one apparent way in which scientists try to cope with scientific peer pressures to conform to prevailing political pressures.

Details of findings have been published in part, by Dr. Michael Salla, who is a learned scholar on extraterrestrial research. Exo-scientists and other researchers base their findings, in part, on carefully collecting data, which includes well corroborated documented observations by contactees and "whistleblowers", as well as other documentation.

These verified reliable sources have come into contact with representatives of non-Earth Human civilizations living in human populations at-large, and also in official capacities.

Dang, came in very late again on what appears to be a pretty good thread.

So, I'll just give my answer and apologies if it has already been covered.

Why are aliens humanoid? I don't know. Could it be that the humanoid form is the most efficient form there is? I mean, life on this planet has evolved for what, a few billion years, and at this point in time the dominant species on the planet is humanoid.

Europa, or planets suitable for life with vastly different conditions on them?
I would venture that Europa, for instance, would never evolve a species with thumbs. If it did, it would still require that species to live in the water.
Doubtful if that species is leaving Europa.

Humanoid beings build things. Very well.


There is also the possibility that life was genetically engineered here to begin with and we were "made in their image" as the bible states.

Sounds crazy right? Yeah, humans are pretty arrogant.

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i think maybe 4 arms and 2 legs is the way to go

2nd line is 4 further growth

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I'm with you.
Gimme 10!

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Originally posted by symmetricAvenger
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

and further more the papers of what you have posted are infact not evedince but conjecture based on hear say.. the very same thing that made the bible the lovely book it is today with just as many followers tho granted i did like your witty comment about fear

Well... Not so much hearsay, I think - the Sumarian tablets accord well (and they were not fully translated by the time the Papers were written), and I have been in contact with both the author and a person who was in h9is circle back when the Papers were first written.

So... I say that we have humanoid aliens because we are genmod by them with their DNA.

Originally posted by LogicalResponse
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Are you saying that life originates from a common, mystical and unknown force in the universe, symmetricAvenger? Like a god or religious-type figure?

I know it does. Not all Greys or the other beings believe in God. Just like us.
This is the only planet that has life on it. More and more of the truth has been coming out. Some people should be able to start to put the pieces of the puzzle together. Heres the key... the timeline was changed, none of these beings are made. half-human. part-animal. THERE game is up.

I say that we have humanoid aliens because we are genmod by them with their DNA.

this is the most "logical" conclusion i would believe

aliens can have a body like us.. but at the same time we just dont know..


it works both ways but in away i find that the fun part...

The truth of the matter is that there is no way of knowing why aliens are humanoid.
But the simple fact of the matter is that they have been reported being humanoid since history itself began.
Our current scientific knowledge cannot answer this question because these things appear to be pretty damned cunning.

This is what you call a "gotcha" question.
Doesn't mean it is valid.

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well said

LogicalResponse...you are Entertaining and Vigorous in your Debates and "Beliefs" to say the least...I applaud you for your efforts...as we are all trudging through this life in a dark pit of confusion...trying to find out the "Meaning of It All"....when one begins to settle on an "Absolute"..."Absolutes Corrupt Absolutely"...[Paraphrasing a common Thought Form]...

I recently came across a very interesting "Concept" that applies to this thread in a very direct way...I am not saying that I necessarily believe this "Concept"...as that is all it is...a "Concept"...the source of this "Concept" comes from a series of books entitled "The Wave" aka "The Cassiopeian Experiment" (by Laura Knight Jadczyk) and is free for reading on the Internet if one so chooses...I must warn you though...the author is quite "ubiquitously verbose"...and it is also "Channeled Material"...that being said...

Now I want to explain and bring to light to all involved here, why your posed questions are based on the "Assumption" that Humans Have Genetically evolved within it's "Natural Estate" of the Earth Sphere so to speak...You have Assumed something in your very first thread...we as Humans have all evolved "Naturally" without any intervention what soever...Yes...it is an assumption that may not be Correct within the "Infinitum of Possibilites within this "Single Universe"...If their is Infinitum in our Universe then is it possible that there are also an Infinite number of Universes...and therefore an Infinitum of Possibilites of other species which may very well resemble every single Species on Earth and Far, Far, Far, Beyond?

The Concept that we in fact may have Humanoid brothers and sisters "out there" is definitely not very far fetched at all..And also the Concept that we may also be "Very Different Physically" from a wide array of other "Conscious/Intelligent" Life Forms...is not at all that far fetched either...

Is a blade of Grass "Conscious", Is a Nutritional Supplement "Conscious"...is your Dog or Cat in fact "Conscious"...mbbe so...mbbe not...

I admire the "Spark of Life" in you and your "Signature"...although it may very well be your "Destiny" to "Enforce your Truths" onto others...

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So here goes...this is a very simple and basic concept and it is...

Maybe we have been Genetically Formed by a much more Intelligent Species than our own to be controlled and manipulated....Maybe, we have been placed on this Earth to serve others of whom we have very Vague Knowlede...We very well may have been implanted on this Earth by a Superior Alien Race...who in many Ancient times have visited and bestowed the knowledge of Mathematics and Technology upon us...and in doing so...we assumed them to be "GOD's"...which may explain "The Missing Link" Concept...We were placed here with all our Racial Differences for "Genetic and Humanoid" growth and exploitation...Our Genes may very well have been manipulated to stop us from progressing too far in our own "Conscious Awareness"...

The "Nordics" as someone mentioned...had to come here when their Planet was close to Annihilation...and they Ruled the Earth for a Great While based on their much more Advanced Technology...The "Nordics" are supposedly from a planet from within our own Solar System which was Destroyed many Thousands of Years ago....

Details are fine and dandy...but the marriage of "Facts" and "Concepts"...lead us on ever further...Technology and Science advance ever more through this process...

Cheers Dude...and all the best in your Search for the "Ultimate Truth"...

because its efficient.




Efficiency is intelligence.

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Thanks.
I mean think about it... on this planet right now we have several species that have remained virtually unchanged for HUNDREDS of millions of years.

Crocodiles and Sharks come to mind...

Aside from the fact that we can slaughter in mass either one, lets think about the crocodile for a second.
Hell, we have people that wrestle and subject them for FUN.

Tell me that the humanoid form isn't the most efficient out there!

I'm seeing a lot of talk about human beings being modified by an alien species and other popular UFO mythos ideas.

The fact of the matter is, there is nothing in our DNA record or ANYTHING in the evolutionary timeline that shows any kind of intersession from an outside source. The "missing link" is a missing hominid fossil record - not a genetic one. Our chromosomes and DNA are all perfectly accounted for and conform to most models proposed by the theory of evolution.

The only way that these supposed aliens could show any relation to our species was if they themselves were the uplifted or provolved human strain. But uplifted by who and for whatever purpose, I have no idea.

I would need to see something in the DNA changes that displays drastic or sudden developments that stand out from the normal pace of evolution. If it is not evident in our own DNA record, and we posit the existence of these beings, the mostly likely evidence would lie within their own DNA record. Not ours.

If there were any biological inconsistencies the most likely place to find them would be on "their" end.

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"Logical Response".
I'm sorry if perhaps you have already "logically" answered your own baited question, but can you explain why the humanoid form is not the most efficient known?

I'm sorry, but I tried my best to respond "logically."

Of course I would expect someone with the name "logical response" to speak up on the idea of humans being planted here by higher-order beings genetically.
But let me ask, after you answer why you think that the humanoid form IS NOT the most efficient known species of animal, why is superior race GM not a logical answer to AT LEAST the biblical mythos?

Could it be that all religious texts are simply evidence of the idea that GM *has* taken place in the past?

Is this LOGICAL?
More logical than believing in a sky-daddy?

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