Re: Humanoid Aliens

reply to post by qbik2008


Perhaps these aliens humanoids are so advanced that they have mastered technology? Could that be possible? Might be kinda of topic here forgive me mods, but for instance the grey's have been drawn about since pre written history. Assuming if they are space traveling multi dimensional constructs from back then and now, let us just try to envision their technological feats from then and now. Are they the masters of technology? That is where the paradox occurs or starts, and just thinking of aliens creates this form of equation that has no logical solution. So that part right there might be a reflection of their technology in itself, the complexity. The anomaly that revolves around their existence and our reality is how they do not fit. Usually any contact with them or anything for that matter that is weird in our lives, is usually late at night, most of the time we let our common sense try to civilize our excuses for what happens, oh it was just a dream or nightmare or it was the cat, or dog making knocks on the wall or whatever the case. The questions should not be directed at the expression of the truth. The questions should be directed at which angle it is that we wish to look at the truth. Also whether or not your ready to do so.

reply to post by TravisT


Hello Travis,

With all sincerity, I have come to learn that "most" of these "Publicly" televised shows have many "Lie Sandwiches" in them and for the most part I wait and see if an1 has actually gleaned something useful from them to report it independently...thanks for the info though...all the best in your journeys...as you grow in "Awareness"...so to...do we all...

reply to post by qbik2008


Totally agreed. And what will happen is anyones guess, but prefer to see the possibility of a galactic rescue. But I do believe we'll be free, in body or out.
Just hope many people make it in their bodies, and that the future becomes less oppressive and more hopeful.

reply to post by Adrifter


You make a very good point about "at which angle do we begin to approach the ""Truth""...from what I have come to understand in my own "Realizations"...is that the "Truth" is constantly "Dynamic" and ever changing...I believe I read this in a Sufi Text somewhere..."Truth" is "Pathless"...quite profound for so few words...

Originally posted by mystiq
reply to post by qbik2008

 

Totally agreed. And what will happen is anyones guess, but prefer to see the possibility of a galactic rescue. But I do believe we'll be free, in body or out.
Just hope many people make it in their bodies, and that the future becomes less oppressive and more hopeful.

All I can do is hope and continue on the path of Increasing my "Knowledge/Awareness" as I believe that through this very concept we Protect ourselves through "Awareness/Enlightenment"...that has become self evident...

We will do what we will do...I am beginning to notice patterns in people, places, nature etc...and the "Higher Sphere's" will do what they will do...although I also see a "Critical Mass" Juncture at this point...we cannot expect "The Good Aliens" to help those that are not asking...this has been made quite clear...to do so would infringe upon their "Free Will"...but in "asking" the answers are not so easily doled out...they are given according to each individual's state of "Consciousness/Awareness"...and a lot of work and research is required from there on out...

This is definitely an interesting time...those who "choose" to raise their Consciousness will be lead on deeper and deeper into the Rabbit Hole...and peer through the "Looking Glass"...and behold the wonders that await them...some will continue to deny...this the balancing mechanism of the Universe...for without great Good...Great "Badness" can never come to terms...

reply to post by qbik2008


mmm hmmm, ahem, gotta look up to start seeing the truth.. The truth is not the distraction we well most of us in the civilized world lives in, what we are told to believe, or told to believe in. For a min, just imagine that their is no alien humanoid, and we are all alone in the universe, the only intelligent being in the whole universe. What is the truth if that was the truth? How important would you my our lives be if that was the case. Yet if you think about it thou, in a microscopic sense breaking things down further, life is thru-out the universe, suns, comments, ENERGY all over, right now we have millions and billions of electrons all around us. Yet here is the thing that puzzles me... They follow a INTELLIGENT design. Further more everything in our reality has an intelligent design. From nebula's to the chair your sitting on. The question the truth we are seeking is whoose design are we living in.

[edit on 1-4-2009 by Adrifter]

Originally posted by symmetricAvenger
reply to post by rickyrrr

 

But what evidence exists to suggest cells dividing into three? also what evidence leads you to think that cellular division is the cause for symmetry?

there is no evidence of cells divinding into 3 it just does not happen on earth.. only single celled bactira devied in a single but then its symmertic because there was one, then turns into 2.. ie divides from one..

now the other part of the statement about cellular division - look at the words you use DIVISION.. to divide an equal amount between to things..

= symmertry

thats why your body is the shape that it is.. i can not see any reason why life would make its self more complex when the norm of our entire universe is simplicity..

suns are not square they are round... you are made as simple as possible just like the sun

Perfection is logical and symmerty is the way it happens.. the forces byhind symmerty is chaos..

think of the universe as a BIGGGGG question and everything inside the universe is the answer / or the result of the question..

life on other planets will ALWAYS follow the rules of the universe.. as it shows here on earth..

we are the norm becuase if we wasnt then the universe would be alot different than it is now!!

Symmetric,

I don't dispute the fact that symmetry is apparently an inescapable feature of multicellular life. You and I basically agree as far as I see.

What I dispute is the idea that binary division has been proven to be the cause of symmetry. Surely sometimes you end up with an odd number of cells because some die early, and STILL symmetry emerges.

I propose that the mechanism that leads to symmetry is very real but as of yet unknown. To claim that there could be such thing as triple cell division, and to further claim that it would cause asymmetry is a serious leap of faith.

-rrr

reply to post by Adrifter


Is a blade of grass Conscious?...even more Conscious than ourselves?...is a blade of grass a quadrillion times more intelligent than us "Humanoids"...

reply to post by qbik2008


it responds to stimuli. Its smart enough instinctively to do that. Something intelligent designed it to do that. I don't believe it just is, for no reason except for some dust rubbing together by accidents, to many things in time and space that is to complex for so many accident to have occurred.

[edit on 1-4-2009 by Adrifter]

reply to post by Adrifter


Have you read my "Linear Logic" form on page 17?...just curious on your thoughts of that mess...

reply to post by qbik2008


The possibility for other life out in space is high. I am about 90 percent sure their is a species out their flying around in bright shinny ships that fly in our sky in ways none of our airships can. The 10 percent is in favor of the military. Using the mechanism in our minds called logic, is using a principal to try to understand something intelligent and alien, that is if it exists unthinkable. that is why we created religions, when people cannot understand what they are seeing thay kneel before it and call it god, or run for their lives. I can assure you thou, if your out in the country alone looking up at the sky and seeing a ufo on the horizon, zigin and zagin all over the horizon in your direction, not to mention it something that you have never seen before, and making no noises their is a good chance you will be afraid, and prob try to get away from it. Just saying most people that see something that does not fit in this world our the universe for that matter would def. freak em out. So I think logic really cannot define aliens, because its like trying to describe a color not in this universe and trying to compare it to the color black.

[edit on 1-4-2009 by Adrifter]

I am seeking further reading...any suggestions...?

For those with strong Constitutions...may want to look into "The Wave" written by Laura Knight Jadczyk...free on the web...aka "The Cassiopeian Experiment"...Channeled and quite verbose...but leads into the Sufi Teachings, Gurdjieff, Ouspenski, Ibid, Don Juan, Ancient Texts and the like...quite profound...

reply to post by Adrifter


I would ask you to try to negate "Fear" per se...for yourself or others...fear is a major stumbling block in many peoples progression...I believe...this is one firm lesson that I have learned...whether we die and are no longer "Conscious" or the latter...fear is a very Major Stumbling block...it takes "Fortitude" to be able to peer into "Infinitum" and "Not Blink"...

I am so full of #....

reply to post by cynical572


I have been on this thread, since it has started.. and i can just say..

this is the best responce i have read..

read it in detail..

Creation is via a means that is based on chaos.

I wish to state this more in detail and go somewhat off topic to bring it back on topic in order to do so!

infinity pi symmerty

they all have one thing in common, and that is they are both odd numbers.. in that respect, now for one to qauntify this meaningfully is hard i admit.. but hear me out on this

We have scales in our reality.. and you sit in the middle of it.. just like me.

For one to have such words as inifinity pi and symmerty one must understand the meaning of such words..

I have read and listened and watched as this world spins, i take nothing for granted and i see nothing as real proof by others, this would be to align myself with a judegment that may infact and more than likely to be incorrect!!..

Humans have been or were put here.. regardless of who or for what reason we "are"

So the "us" being here will give rise to the questions.. and we do question "no fault of ones own i say"... so with this in a theory we can deduce what??

well by all acounts the story as it unfolds will hold truth to all we question as thats what we base all our questions on..

in another words the question is the only truth we have.. it does not matter what the question IS but more so why we question , so atleast we know one thing is true and the true part is the question we all seek.. cant debunk a question..

That brings us to a place all of us are not accustom too, witch is who is right and who is wrong about a given question based on a question..

if one looks at the edvidence of ones own exsistance, it will show that human/alien looking beings are the same as god, retorical ofc but same question.

we just replace the creation of man with aliens/god very easy.. and very messy as god does not show up in little ufo ships correct? but still has power over some people and shows up as a cookie or effergy!...

one could state for every "sign" there is an abductee or ufo sighting? one f the same i think..

now proving this is hard and somewhat frustrating to me alone because i think aliens are real, but i dont know from were they came or why im here or why infact they do come here "ufo evidence ect"...

people will question ufos and other things that do not fit there own happy go lucky life and that is ok for me as i am not them!, but at the same time one can not just push this aside as a mere joke, when we have words like this

INFINITY, SYMMERTY, P.I

all are the result of quatom level logic

for each step in scale we have the norm and we have chaos., they are inter linked in this repsect.

one can not ask a question if life was not random to us "we are on a scale that requires us to ask questions"

and one can not have all the answers , for that would make us the god question we seek...

in this regard to human/alien beings...more than likely and to 2nd my point.. what made you think being here was as normal as it is?

falseness comes in lots of forms and being you is the real answer correct? or one would not be able to ask any question

and that question is only a "sub" question to the one we seek each day..

WHY

Originally posted by rickyrrr

But what evidence exists to suggest cells dividing into three? also what evidence leads you to think that cellular division is the cause for symmetry?

Also, if you think that an imaginative approach is best, why do you selectively choose what to be imaginative about?

You sound very certain of what other people see. I though only "gods" had that ability.

As far as the rate of grey sightings, it may have grown of maybe not, Perhaps, since you have made that proposal in favor of your argument, it is on you to provide a link backing it up (not that I doubt it, I am pretty sure "imagined" sightings would go up when a movie is released for pretty obvious reasons.) that by itself is not sufficient to dismiss all reports.

-rrr

No evidence exists showing cells splitting into 3, I was putting it forward as a possibility on other planets evolving differently.

No evidence I'm aware of says symmetry is due to cell division. Like I said I'm ignorant on the subject and I put that forward as a possibility.

As for what I guess annoyed you which is the part about the majority of reports being false. I didn't say all of them, I'm not dismissing the phenomena completely. But any person who is seriously looking for answers about alien life has to accept that there is a lot of disinformation out there. For every real UFO photo how many fakes are there, the fakes greatly outnumber the real ones.

As for the Greys sightings increasing after the book it's definitely true, I'm pretty sure Streiber even mentioned it in one of his later books. I've got them so I may be able to find the exact quote. I can't find any stats showing it at the moment, just a lot of forums where people mention it as well. I thought that was pretty well accepted tho.

Basically if people want to find the real answers they will have to go through a mountain of BS. The majority of alien stuff out there is either disinfo or people trying to make a buck.

Surely I'm not saying anything that's not accepted by the greater community, can anyone who seriously studies the alien phenomenon not believe that the majority of stuff out there is crap?

Originally posted by symmetricAvenger
reply to post by cynical572

 

That brings us to a place all of us are not accustom too, witch is who is right and who is wrong about a given question based on a question..

WHY

Being "wrong" and being "right"...is the balancing act that the Universe offers...as the Universe is "Chaotic" and yet seems to balance quite beautifully amidst the Chaos...I believe you are the first to bring up Chaos Theory as of yet...which "seemingly" randomly throws a wrench into the "Linear Logic" form...these are important things to consider...thanks...

reply to post by qbik2008


its about scale..

I will be honest here in my motervations for posting...

Life as we understand it is based on 2 things LOgic and Non Logic..

how that fits in to our own logic is another story altogether, in a way i agree and then i dont..

no matter if god or aliens made us, we still as humans have somewhat of a grasp of life "or atleast the understanding of it being left alone" as we are..

So we have science and physics and quatum P

No based on this one is symmertric and one is iinfintiy

in mathmatics this means one is 2 and ther other is 0 ect

we are indeed very lucky (lucky to be asking a question)

we are infact the only things on the entire planet that ask why we are here, and that inturns asks us lot to why we are indeed on the planet in the firstplace!!

we dont need god or aliens to work this out as we are here.. but for me and i have mad a new thread on this

its the very question that provides all our answers we seek and infact would give rise to aliens god "or alteast a logical reason for it based on quatum P" ect

why we are here,

so the topic for me is not about proving aliens or god or evolution but understanding the fundermenatals of "why" we ask

why is infinante.. so nothing can be taken for granted nore can one say baes on ones evidence (and i dont flame people for threr views") that alien type humans could come from many different ways.

you see i try to provide a methord based on what we know "and dont" i dont flame people who say OMG UR SOOO WRONG, i just ask why it is they hold that postiion?

expample

the world is round

what way is up?

now you see my point

Originally posted by Krahzeef

Originally posted by rickyrrr

Basically if people want to find the real answers they will have to go through a mountain of BS. The majority of alien stuff out there is either disinfo or people trying to make a buck.

Yes...there is definitely a vast and infinite and very clever "maze" of disinfo out there...I guess sifting through the mess and gleaning "valuable" insights on our journey is about all we can do until we reach a "Critical Mass" of awareness...and finally become propelled into a more "Harmonious" existence...whether we be Humanoid or Non...

Originally posted by symmetricAvenger
reply to post by qbik2008

 

its about scale..

why is infinante.. so nothing can be taken for granted nore can one say baes on ones evidence (and i dont flame people for threr views") that alien type humans could come from many different ways.

Very good point,
the word "Why" is most definitely Infinite...if we can answer this "Infinite" question then we have attained "Infinite Knowledge and Love"...

And no...I do not believe that we need "Aliens" or "God" or any other "Imagined Thing" to allow us to be saved from some Eminent Catastrophe or Death or whatever life throws at us...as I believe "we" (Each and every individual) hold the answers to our Deepest Darkest questions and to our own enlightenment in the end...only I can find the best path that is suitable for the direction that I so choose...we all have the power to Create (ad Infinitum)...I believe we are all "Gods" (can you say "Can of Worms" an1)...yet that power has been taken away from some through Politics, Religions etc...

I am not sure if you were trying to indicate to me that I was "Flaming" you...as that was not my intent at all...

Cheers...