Chemtrails. It's in the jetfuel.

Originally posted by ChemBreather
There is something called: secrecy, how you folks think you are 'included' in all of your companies deals and plans I cant comprehend at all.

Because there IS NO SECRECY AT AN AIRPORT between those who work there…

That airport is a big self-contained city where most everyone knows most everyone else and everyone else’s business. Rumors fly around an airport faster then the jets do. If there was anything unusual or exciting to see, you can bet that you would see folks from other ramp agencies driving by gawking on any piece of equipment that they could find sitting idle on the ramp. Fuelers have even more exposure then anyone else, because they run fuel lines. That means that they are not stuck on one airlines ramp all day long, but rather shift from flight line to flight line, as they are assigned a list of flights according to their arrival times throughout all the airlines. They might be hanging out in one airlines flight ops in the morning, a second by lunch, and a third by afternoon. Fuelers are the social butterflies of the airport due to their movement between various airlines throughout the day. When I ran a fuel line, I used to work up to 6 different airlines in a shift.

Originally posted by ChemBreather
today.reuters.com... and which says:

The link goes to the homepage for Reuters, not to an article.

Originally posted by ChemBreather
and a second link with the same story : U.S plans

Jee… A link to a text only document form Gawd only knows what source.

Originally posted by ChemBreather
By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Russian Subscribers

Aaaahh!
That explains a lot right there…
Some other Faal hits:

Originally posted by Mirthful Me
US President Orders Military To Begin Jailing All Civilian Protestors To War

Putin Orders Russian Military Forces To Attack US Forces During Iran Invasion????

Russia, China Order Forces To Highest Alert As US Forces Mass On Iranian Border

Pravda: Imus Fired After He Threatened to Reveal 9/11 secrets

Massive ULF 'Blast' Detected In US Bridge Collapse Catastrophe

US 'Shoot on Site' Order Issued For Escaping Americans

Australia To Imprison All Muslims In Concentration Camps

American Spy Satellite Downed In Peru

‘Ship of Giants’ Said Attacked By Israel in Strike on Syria

Who is ‘Sorcha Faal? A Posterboy for Mental Health

Note:. There is no such person as “Sorcha Faal, Russian academic” “Sorcha Faal” is actually David Booth, an American computer programmer “Sorcha” is alleged to be a Russian academic but there is absolutely no record of anyone with such a name in Russian academia. These periodic eruptions have absolutely no basis in any kind of fact or reality and are typical of the nonsense bespangling the internet. These reports, however, have a good deal of entertainment value. This idiocy is almost as funny as the Scientology cult babblings. Ed.

Great source of information…

Originally posted by ChemBreather
Again, PROOF of SPRAYING being done from PLANES and that U.S. is INVOLVED.. Spare the me De-bunk.. Please...

That is low-level crop dusting, it does not produce persistent contrails, it dissipates rapidly, and it is not done 20 or 30K feet in the upper atmosphere. Why is it so difficult for Chemtrail believers to discern the difference between crop dusting, cloud seeding, electronic countermeasures, water bombing, and what they claim to see in the sky? Other then intentionally refusing to see the difference, I cannot understand why they cannot see it when my four-year-old nephew can?

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Maybe I will. Until then, the internet has plenty of info.

MOD EDIT - Edited out childish, pointless sniping remark

IOC JET A-1 is a petroleum distillate blended from kerosene fractions having Aromatics
below 20 % v/v, Total sulphur below 0.25 % mass, Mercaptan Sulphur below 0.002 %
mass

IATA Guidance Material for Aviation Fuel Specification - 5th Edition 2005

c) Particulate contamination at point of Manufacture, mg/l, Max ........1%

Source
Appears that there is 1% particulate contamination (silver iodide) before it even leaves the factory.

[edit on 25-3-2009 by doctordoom]

MOD EDIT - Please read the opening post of this thread

Civility And Decorum Are Required on AboveTopSecret.com

Also, I refer you to This post within this thread.


[edit on 25/3/09 by neformore]

Sorry, I'm just wondering exactly what is the conspiracy here.

Chemtrail and Contrails.

Has there been any evidence of an actual chemtrail and had the contents of it verified?
Am I to understand that the lack of evidence is part of the conspiracy?

If its in the fuel, then there would be heavy concentrations at airports.
If its a tank on the plane, then it would show up on engineer schematics and would have to be topped up/replaced at regular intervals.

I know this will make me marked from some of you, but is it possible, that the whole conspiracy is fake?

of course it's in the fuel. the chemical contrails, contrails are made from exhaust. The chemical part comes in from the chemicals added into the jet fuel thus leading into chemtrails that turn into clouds

reply to post by doctordoom


Where does that say ANYTHING about silver iodide??

I notice it's shows your highlighted search terms...one of which is 'silver'

But what is the context of the silver?

Corrosion

Copper strip corrosion,
for 2 h at 100
0 C Not worse than No. 1

(b) Silver strip corrosion,
for 4 h at 50
0 C classification, Max

It's a test for corrosion on silver and copper strips!


It really does help to read your sources...





[edit on 25-3-2009 by Chadwickus]

the point of the OP is possible, there are easier ways to do it, but it is certainly possible.

filters would block contaminants, provided of course, that the contaminant is larger than the filter media is designed for. if the size of the contaminate is smaller than what the filter media is designed for, then it would get through and therefore be aerosolized/burned.

there is plenty of evidence that governments and private contractors spray populations for human experimentation or weather modification. they have planes, any number of planes, that are designed or can be easily modified to do it. so I think that going to the trouble of covertly contaminating jet fuel is unlikely.

reading some of the posts in this thread as well as many other threads really cracks me up sometimes.

some people who are merely one link in a big chain that has something to do with the topic of a thread think that they know everything about what happens in that chain. when really all they might know is what happens right around them.

in performing our day to day jobs or just living our lives, we trust that what we are using to do our jobs or what we put into our bodies is what it is supposed to be.

in a supply chain from the point of origination to point of use, anything can happen along the way. unless you spend every second from point of origin to point of use with whatever the item is, you have no way of knowing what has been done to something or if anything foreign has been added.

2 examples that come to mind are melamine in baby formula and radioactivity being injected into the Tuskeegee airmen. maybe the people canning the baby formula or injecting the radioactivity knew what they were really doing, but probably not. as far as they probably knew, they were canning perfectly safe formula and injecting penicillin. get the point?

no one should ever assume that they know everything about anything and they certainly shouldn't try to tell others they don't know what they are talking about since they don't have the whole story themselves. we are each just a link in a big chain. we have no way to know what was done to something before it is put into our own hand.

so lets try to take the blinders off and look beyond what we see right in front of us before we start to pontificate.

Mod Edit - removed content of previously removed post

chemtrails, contrails, whatever. it doesn't take away from the fact that spraying of stuff in the atmosphere for various reasons exists, regardless of what the resulting markings, when they are seen, are called.

the main point, I think, is that what the OP is is just someone presenting THEIR THEORY. if you don't agree with someone, just say so. criticizing someone's ideas without offering alternatives just lessens your credibility.

instead of politely and constructively disagreeing and providing alternate views and possibilities, some people routinely turn to personal attacks.

I thought the point of this site was for people to present theories and have them discussed in an atmosphere that uses civilty and proper decorum. unfortunately, thats why forums need moderators

Mod Edit - yep, thats why, but re-quoting stuff that was removed doesn't help

[edit on 25/3/09 by neformore]

if I quoted it in my post, then it wasn't removed when I started my reply then, right?!

OK Folks. Back to the regularly scheduled programme please, which is;

Chemtrails. Its in the Jetfuel

I'm off to find some asprin....

DoctorDoom....

Wow! Five pages of very good posts that completely refute your idea, sorry.

I now direct your attention to your OP, where you seem convinced that pilots can 'turn chemtrails on and off' by switching tanks in flight?

It is obvious that you truly don't understand how airplanes really work.

I believe it is bad mojo to for people to make things up about subjects they aren't well-versed in.

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I realy can't quite figure you out. When you believe something, you go 110% at it. That is an admirable quality, if you are in fact correct. The information you just quoted me says nothing about silver iodide, and if it said the entire 1% was silver iodide, is is still 1%. How many passes with a 737 over your house would it take to get that 1% of whatever to affet you in any way whatsoever? they would have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to get a small ammount of bad stuff to even be registered in a test. It would be much cheaper and easier to have some guy knock on your door and dump a cup of it on you as you answered. Please, think as if you were on this side of the fence. now, see how silly this all seems. I am glad I could help. Now go back to your other pet peaves and lets have some good old fashoned mason bashing.

Originally posted by Solomons
reply to post by ChemBreather

 

Yes the governments are spraying the populace,thats nothing to do with the conspiracy of chemtrails ie contrails.We all know that governments around the world spray the populace,or weather modification.But again you dont see lines streaking across the sky because those are perfectly natural as has been shown.Apart from maybe ground residue you wouldnt know they were spraying anything.

The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public. A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979. Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told. While details of some secret trials have emerged in recent years, the 60-page report reveals new information about more than 100 covert experiments.

www.guardian.co.uk...

[edit on 25-3-2009 by Solomons]

So what are we arguing? the Chemtrails ? Call it aerosol then,.
The thing I am trying to get across is that I do not want to be sprayed at all. Vaccine or not, I stay clear of all vaccines, same with my children, I dont let them get vaccines either, so I realy dont want it showed down my throat, it is forced-medical treatment, and I dont want It ... Rape I say..

Originally posted by neformore
OK Folks. Back to the regularly scheduled programme please, which is;

Chemtrails. Its in the Jetfuel

I'm off to find some asprin....

I must say the Chemtrail debate is pretty heated.
I see you have to do referee jobs here !

But the OP have an idea going there, and if more if this kind should emerse, it proves there is something to it ...

Originally posted by ChemBreather

But the OP have an idea going there, and if more if this kind should emerse, it proves there is something to it ...

SO if I read you right, we now have proof of Bigfoot, the lock ness monster, global warming/manbearpig, and chemtrails. Just because it keeps getting brought up? Bad ideas are just that, no matter how many times they get repeated.

Additives are organics which combust in the engine. They are part of the fuel and they burn. Loading inorganics into fuel is not a good idea because then turbine blades get eroded and the plane falls out of the sky with undesirable results. Loading compounds into the fuel and expecting any significant amount of anything to come out the back of the engine is fantasy.
Fuel filters clog all the time from gums, tars, corrosion products and biofouling. Fuel quality and water content vary widely around the world and emulsions and water slugs are not good for combustion. Cross contamination during storage and transfer is common. Ambient temperatures vary widely and at altitude one does not want the world's largest candle to form in a fuel tank of one's aircraft. Microbes eat what fuel has in it, so biocides are also important, especially where fuel is stored for longer periods of time in warm climates.
These reasons are why additives are necessary and not necessarily sinister. I did enjoy the chemistry lesson from the OP where sodium was somehow linked to silver iodide.
Fuel is the source of contrails, not chemtrails.

Originally posted by spinkyboo
jet-fuel fungus and heavy yeast?
interesting -
I never thought that would be an issue in jet fuel...
and...worth more research.
good thread.

You are wrong. Jet Fuel can have microbial growth in it. Prist is an anti-icing additive, but has a secondary effect of inhibiting stuff from growing in jet fuel.


This whole topic seems like another exercise in chemtrail believers using their own speculation as evidence in itself, and then linking to pages they assert is also evidence based on a word or two, but then when you see it, it actually is nothing about what they claimed it was and in reality debunks them.

And then someone said "sodium = silver iodide" or something like that. Someone obviously failed chemistry and science classes.

I started reading about this stuff after noticing all the lines in the sky.
(few yrs ago).

For instance:
I work construction/demolition. One day a few yrs ago while doing demolition/recycling on an old barn, I can remember arriving at the site around 9:00am, clear blue skies,not 1 single cloud.
By 1pm the sky was overcast from some type of spraying going on.
I am not talking just contrails, when you see 3,4,5, different planes making lines in the sky at 1 time, it kinda makes you wonder ,
what the he11 is going on ?

I did take pics that day, when I find them I will share them.

Netflix has a documentary on it.

Here's some interesting reading on this stuff.

Most people discover the reality of chemtrails by initially reading about it on the Internet and then going outside and looking up into the sky. They are shocked to realize that what they had been reading about (and studying photographs of) is also taking place right over their heads. What some people had dismissed as mere "jet plane exhaust" (because there are now scores of internet propaganda web sites trying to convince you that 'everything is well' and 'there's nothing to be alarmed about' and that unaccountable 'jet plane exhaust' plumes are magically being converted into horizon-to-horizon overcasts of "cirrus clouds" !) are dismayed to realize that chemtrails are indeed the toxin-laden aerosols that have been described here and at other web sites since 1998 and they are not being sprayed for any benign or national security reason as the disinformation peddlers would have you believe.

educate-yourself.org...

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ChemTrails - 80% population reduction of earth !!!

lots of info here:
www.detailshere.com...

For another very extensive website on the chemtrail issue see www.carnicom.com...

See also Chemtrails2 with lots more links at the bottom
See Chemtrails3 for Where The Chemtrail Spray Systems
Were Made and a first hand account of what's going on.