Rockefeller: Internet is "Number One National Hazard"

Originally posted by Electro38
He's talking about the security of government institutions, like the pentagon. So why is there any problem? The solution would be to take the government offline. No internet for the gov. Or they can have their own/secure internet.

Sounds like they're trying to figure out how they can legally control the internet and tax it or tax more of it.

Tax the internet? The government will and if they smell money they will tax anything and everything. Because of falling revenues look for a strong move by states and the National government to tax the internet and every transaction on the internet which is one of the biggest untapped resources of revenue in the country.

The government wants total control of your life and the right to tax you anyway they see fit. Add up all your direct and indirect taxes you pay including taxes paid on telephone, utilities, gasoline etc. you will be flabergasted. Thank God we are not tax slaves.

reply to post by amari


I hear ya. I've heard people talking about taxing internet use, since about 10 years ago. We do get taxed for internet use, it's in our connection (ISP) bills. But they want to tax more of our internet use. (I remember reading a few years ago that there was some talk about possibly taxing e-mail and instant messages).

I'm really wondering why the gov (pentagon) would be on the internet anyway? I mean why would the pentagon make themselves accessible on the internet?

Very confusing. If they need a way to quickly share info shouldn't they be on their own, separate, secured access network???

I'm starting to think that these people talking about the "internets" have no idea what the internet is, Rockefeller and many people in congress have probably never used the internet.

Does anyone know why the pentagon is on the internet?

Why do they need to be on the internet?

I'm starting to think that they're not really on the internet at all, they're using this lie for some reason. Maybe to scare us with "cyber terrorists". Or would they really be so stupid as to make themselves accessible via the internet?

[edit on 24-3-2009 by Electro38]

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Interesting post

The period of world war 1 and starting in 1914 is a period that began the darkest days for humanity. Even the fed which was planned in 1913 wasn't passed until the very end of 1913 when everybody was away on holidays, wasn't chartered until the following year 1914 and implemented across the country.


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Rockerfeller is probably hoarding tons of gold, I bet he has a few rooms like this.
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So too is Rothschild and Comex, in fact most of the world's known supply.

Amazingly a lot of the people who own gold choose to just take a certificate for it and leave it Comex's vaults!

Crazy move with what this world is coming too!

Agree, Its funny how this nation originally Starts off with Metals Gold/Silver and the like as pure trade, scattered among all .. To introduceing a paper Voucher which orginally was denied as a pure trade piece but more for holding the metal pieces .. To People actually trading in Metal pieces to Get Paper money which was rare and not a mainstream use ...

To it being fully mainstream and the metals where not able to be directly used.. But still had value for paper money .. and not only that the value Fluxuates !! the one piece of gold can be one amount of paper money one day.. and another amount the next day ...

and now mysteriously we realize that all the gold pieces that was scattered in the nation to individuals for common trade have been collected to few sources and thier values are worth more and more vs when they originally where taken ....

Though have to thank roosevelts gold ban for helping this out ;P

But I'm telling you it was all an unintended mistake !!

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Originally posted by Electro38
Does anyone know why the pentagon is on the internet?

Why do they need to be on the internet?

I'm starting to think that they're not really on the internet at all, they're using this lie for some reason. Maybe to scare us with "cyber terrorists". Or would they really be so stupid as to make themselves accessible via the internet?

[edit on 24-3-2009 by Electro38]

The Pentagon is on the internet for the same reason anyone else is on it. They have information to get out to the public. The Pentagon web site has civilian job postings, tour schedules and other infomation available to the general public. They do not have any classified documents you could hack into. They have a private highly secure network for all of that stuff. You would never get to any of that through the public internet.

Originally posted by Electro38
Does anyone know why the pentagon is on the internet?

Why do they need to be on the internet?

I'm starting to think that they're not really on the internet at all, they're using this lie for some reason. Maybe to scare us with "cyber terrorists". Or would they really be so stupid as to make themselves accessible via the internet?

[edit on 24-3-2009 by Electro38]

Hi Electro38 I posted the answer to this earlier in the thread. The Internet was developed originally for the Pentagon and the U.S. Military as an alterative form of communication for them in case of a nuclear attack severely damaging our infrastructure, taking out phone lines, and displacing particals in the ionosphere that could distrubt radio communication.

Like almost everything in your life from the medications, to household electronics that too were first developed for the military, the military invents and uses all kinds of things about 20 years before they are made marketable to consumer applications.

In the early 1970's when the idea was first developed, only universities had computers which were huge machines that could take up rooms, most of them spoke different languages and when one researcher wanted to share information with another researcher where the computers spoke a similiar lanquage a special box was used to place an actual phone receiver on that would listen to the bleeps a computer made and decipher them over the other end and print them out on that computer. The phone would have to be manually dialed.

In those days phone calls were manually routed too, when you picked up a phone to dial a call, a real life human being sitting at a switchboard owned by the telephone company would see your number blinking that you were placing a call on metal backboard that had a hole and a jack for each number. If you were dialing a local number she would take an available plug, plug it into the jack by your number and then put the other end into the number you were calling's jack. If you were dialing long distance she would take the other end of the jack instead, and plug it into a box that would carry your call to the nearest operator center for that area code, that's what area codes were for, if you were dialing area code 213 she plugged your line into the main 213 switch board, which led to their main operator center, that operator would see that you were dialing a 415 prefix after 213, and she would plug in the line by hand to route the call to the area code 415, prefix 213 operator center, who in turn would see you were dialing number 5252 in her prefix and would plug in a cord by hand to the 5252 number completeing your call to 213-415-5252 it took four live human beings to complete this call, switching it from one routing station to the next. There were no computers to do this, they hadn't been invented yet.

Now where the internet was theorized to be helpful to the military is they had to dial 213-415-5252 which in this example was a missle silo, and they were in the 212 Area code, to start the order, the 213 switching station the one in the biggest city in the region was taken out, even though the 415 and 5252 operator call centers were still there, but the 212 operator trying to reach the 213 area code could not get the call to go through.

The Internet was designed to take an encrypted decoded message, and slice it into several portions, that would go out over the phone lines and bounce back if the normal switching station a call would have gone through was destroyed in a nuclear attack, and keep running along and around every live line to bypass the call centers directing itself in what ever path it had to, to the computer on the other end which is now 213-415-5252. The short order might have been sliced into as many as 80 packets each being able to seek out their own route to find one, to the ultimate destination, if there were any series of lines that could get them there even if they had to criss cross the country back and forth up and down around all the dead lines they would find a way to get there and reasemble themselves on a machine that could display and decode them.

It would have taken live operators call after call after call after call to accomplish that working at the speed of human hand versus the speed of sound.

Amazingly enough the U.S. Government offered AT & T this contract and rights to the system for a 1,000,000 dollar development grant and AT & T who owned most of the phone lines turned it down, saying that they doubted it could work, couldn't be made to work for a million dollars, and if it could would never be used or have any value!

A small telecomunications company in New England took it on, and got MIT the brightest techno minds, to conspire with Harvard the most money grubbing minds, and UCLA, the most radically free thinking minds to make it work, which took them a few years, to work out standard languages that all computers use today, a standard bianary code that all computers use today and the packet slicing and automatic search for destination signals the Military required.

That's why and how the Internet was born.

What does the pentagon have to do with the Internet, oh just the silly fact that they created it.

Now you know!

reply to post by Erasurehead


Thanks. That makes a lot of sense. But then why are they worried about "cyber attacks"? How can a hacker working through the internet be a threat to them?

Why is Rockefeller using the "public" internet as an example of a threat?



[edit on 24-3-2009 by Electro38]

[edit on 24-3-2009 by spinkyboo]

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


I thought Al Gore invented the internet. (No, just joking). Well, that was alot of history there, thanks.

Erasurehead just filled me on the fact that the pentagon's sensitive stuff lives on a separate secured network (internet?), that no one could hack into.

So now I wonder why then is Rockefeller using the public internet as an example of a threat? How can any of the gov's info be comprised if it's on a closed secure network?

I want to thank everyone who turned in their IP addresses so my family can get more government cheese.
Just last week I turned in my neighbor for downloading an illegal copy of The Bill Of Rights and was rewarded with a used pair of socks! -joy- Christmas was early this year!
I also just wanted to thank everyone who was concerned about the flesh-eating virus I received after getting my personal Obama-Bar Code tattooed on my face. (I didn't really need that lip, heck, I had two...)
Finally, for those who wanted to celebrate the fourth of July this year, just remember, it was a good run. Heck, we had a wonderful 200-plus years. But now that we have sold our country to our wonderful Chinese Overlords and have made the internet a wonderful tool for learning the true meaning of a socialist-republic of the North Americas we can look forward to less wastefull things like food or homes or clothes or books, or that awful thing that was freedom.
-cheers- and all praise our Overlords!!!

Originally posted by 31337
I don't know if this has been said yet, but as somebody who is an IT guy and System Administrator the internet is the biggest security risk out there. Spyware, Malware, viri, black hat hackers, and some gray hat hackers have a doorway into your network. When you think about it, information is highly prized and valuable. Even systems which are suppose to be secure may not be. Ever hear of "social engineering"? People for the most part will give their password out to anybody who sounds trusting. Of course there isn't much to stop somebody from getting access to the office and plugging into the network (DHCP anyone?). How many times have we heard "The Chinese Hackers...." The only way to secure a system is to take it off the internet. By its nature the internet is wide open to anybody who has the skillz to use it. My suggestion is to all you would be cyber punks is to remember that any computer is traceable unless you know how to cover your tracks.

[edit on 23-3-2009 by 31337]

Your avatar..... ahh I remember back orifice from your name....

Yes kevin mitnick goes over social engineering quite well in his book "The Art Of Deception". As I worked in IT I also think people should know about the many methods of successfully attacking someones system, network, server and the like. But wonderfully the internet gives us access to all this information for the price of free.99! Anything can be hacked or exploited with time. You can take the paranoid approach and spoof everything but fortunately all you usually need for your non illegal activities is a decent firewall and some anti-virus software. Oh and don't use Norton.

Oh BTW I work for MS and your computer needs to be upgraded due to a new security flaw. Please enable Remote Administration and give me your IP address and Administrator password to fix this or please download our free software located at this link to fix it. haxorz.yourcomputer.com... (Social engineering simplified)

(Not a real link by the way)

Originally posted by Electro38
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

I thought Al Gore invented the internet. (No, just joking). Well, that was alot of history there, thanks.

Erasurehead just filled me on the fact that the pentagon's sensitive stuff lives on a separate secured network (internet?), that no one could hack into.

So now I wonder why then is Rockefeller using the public internet as an example of a threat? How can any of the gov's info be comprised if it's on a closed secure network?

Al Gore flubs his line, he meant to say he invented the Green Movement. Naturally this is why Al isn't run for office anymore. The script for that speach was being sent to the teleprompter over the Internet, honest mistake right?

You have the internet (open network) intrenet (closed network) ethernet (over the air atmospheric signal connection to the attena to the lines of the internet)

An intrenet is designed to contain the communications and flow of information just between a closed network of computers that are all wired to one another. Some government agencies and private business have an intrenet. Most though still have some ability to access the internet itself. Though their intrenet IP Addresses aren't ones that could be found through a google search, to provide your PC an address to access their servers. The military and government though sometimes use the ethernet, through laptops, to gain access to the Internet, to gain access to the Intrenet that they actually have the address of the servers too. For about 800 dollars or depending how good a negotiator you are, you can pick up a U.S. Army, Marine Core, or Airforce laptop used at a bazaar in many places of Pakistan. Some end up there when security details running private contractors into Afghanistan get ambushed, some just get misplaced by careless officers that they are sometimes traced back to, if it's an American Intelligence Agent who is lucky enough to snap it up while on sale before anyone else does in the Bazaars. This is one of the ways that you might actually come accross the codes to the intranet servers, through the internet to get there, the addresses, passwords, and security codes are stored in these laptops for convenience in their memories.

Hackers try all the time to guess the security codes and IP Addresses of government computers, the firewalls are designed to be virtually impossible to get through, but evidently some hackers live for glory.

The truth is that the U.S. Military is ambushed frequently in escort missions well scheduled in advance of contractors, because the Taliban sometimes finds the schedules already stored on recently acquired laptops are can easily connect to the Servers the information is typically accessed by the soldiers responsible for these missions.

The hard part about securing the Internet is that even though it can be easy to detect an intrustion to the firewall blocking it then from where the intruder is actually trying to go in a huge intranet network of servers and personal workstations attached to them is hard once they are in, it's also hard to trace back to where it came from at times.

Sometimes the only thing you can then do is shut down the network and reconfigure the firewalls, but then you are loosing all that productivity in the process.

Rockefeller though is much more worried about the corporate private sectors computers, which in his mind, is the government, and is the military, because the military does not exist to secure our nations borders, but exists to secure areas of the world where our corporations are having a hard time safely doing business, and keeping their contracts honored, the government essentially exists to pass into law the bills that help grow the corporations, and sometimes fund them with tax dollars, and to direct the militray. Because of how the world is really run and our nation, men like Rockefeller, see the corporations they own as the government and as the military.

Corporate computers are much more vulnerable to attack because they have to communicate with a far wider variety of sources using the internet.

Hacking into a major bank's network, and transferring their funds out electronically could bring a bank down in relatively short order. Hacking into a large brokerage's computer, or even the Nasdag or Dow and executing bogus sell or buy orders could trigger a sound corporations stock to plummet in value, wipe out investor confidence and prevent investment and cash flow into a large corporation, imagine if at the same time that corporations bank account was being drained through another account, now imagine that corporation is Gruman with billions of dollars of defense contracts, producing equipment for the military, it no longer has cash on hand, or investors funding, to pay it's employees and buy it's raw materials, and delivery is delayed to front line troops waiting on it. Now of course the Government will step in and get Gruman money, but now you are really exposing the malfesance in government a lot more than you care to, because they have to cook up some phoney new bill, that leads to some phoney new purchase, to justify publicly why they are giving Gruman more money for the weapons they arlready paid for, which even if you wanted to be honest and say hey, it's because this computer attack took place that did this and that, now you have just told every hacker in the world, you too might succeed in something similiar by admitting it happened.

The Internet is a very dicey proposition in so many ways for the Powers that Be which Rockefeller is one of, and so you better understand, just who Rockefeller really is, while everyone joked that Dick Cheyney ran the White House for George Bush, who Dick Cheyney bowed and took his orders from was Senator Rockefeller. He the man!

As in the, as in the man.

He is the man who also runs CFR, the Council for Foreign Relations it is one of the families many corporations and philanthropic foundations.

CFR has a subsidiary in New York City, called the United Nations. You might have heard of it.

As far as the United States goes, he is actually the man in charge, and is the second most wealthy and powerful man in the world. A world the United Nations meets in New York, so he can keep on top of most of them too.

So when Rockefeller says the Internet is dangerous to the U.S. Government well that is him, if he says it is dangerous to the U.S. Military, that's him too, and if he says it's dangerous to the Corproations well that's him three!

If he sneezes the rest of the world reaches for a kleenex and you should too, you never know what you might catch!

He's an evil Rockefeller, I could barely listen to him speak.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

I have many other examples of both Democratic Congressmen and Republican Congressmen writing back to me on other issues where they cheerfully inform me they are on my side, representing me and will do because I asked, precisely what I in fact asked them not to do.

Houston we have a problem!

Well, this could be part of the problem.

*warning* if you are highly and dogmatically Christian you may find this clip offensive. It is not meant to be. The final sentence is the point.

www.trailerspy.com...

S+F.

Internet is now #1 threat??? WTF???

I think the only real thread to planet
Earth is Rockefeller family and their cronies.

Fear-mongering us about how dangerous Internet is.
What a joke....And people seriously vote for this guy???

what a surreal world we live in.

Congratulations Rockefeller!

Your ego has become your cell.

Now you have a 'date' with the people.

They won't be accepting credit neither.

No pass Go.

Which will it be?

A pillow....or pain?

You know, I'll just say what everyone else wants to say:

# YOU, Rockefeller.

There was once a man who gave intelligence to the FBI in Miami about a Saudi Arabian associated with the Bin Laden family of whom had a map of an airport, was taking flight classes nearby and was settled in an apartment with an associate living across the street in the same condominium complex in Boynton Beach, Florida.

After giving an interview in person with details, there was no follow up, no access to records. Shut case. No where.

Why doesn't FBI Special Agent John O'Neill take any calls?

The last one with contact with John hired him to work at the WTC.

After the first day on 'the job' he seemed to turn to dust?

Has anyone seen John? I don't know him personally, though he is 'missed' more than you know. He had something he needed to get off his chest. The truth was more than they could bare though the cocoon will soon flutter. Will it be seen in all it's glory?

Rockefeller was given intelligence about the Odiga file before and just after 9/11. I suppose he had another copy laying around somewhere.

There are lots of folks out there with Order M World A New S Order S ODD?* Agency C Intelligence I Central A knowledge whom deny Order Divine.

=viral Entropy of collective spirit. The 'people' must be collecting shadows.

The light must be bright as Ra aka do reh me fah so la ti doe in the spectrum of sound?

Truth flutters like the butterfly.....you see it though it appears just out of reach.

By the time you find it....it lies motionless on the ground as Art to Nature...Art distorts Nature though may at times reveal that which lies beneath it as a theme to a plot.

Is a Door as to Gate as Gate is to Infinity; inversively? Don't be afraid to knock.....it's closing time. Oh and don't forget to turn out the lights! On second thought, you might want to leave the Light on next time.

There seems to be a crime spree going around and no one has seen a thing for centuries?

Wonder what Sapience would have to say?

It appears a Collective Sapience is in order.

Order Up?











[edit on 25-3-2009 by Perseus Apex]

Contact the White House...it's time!!! Here's How...
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Ok fine, I understand, the government is under threat because of the existence of the internet...

So, let's solve the problem real quick, right here and now.

Take all government computers off the internet, and only use intranet, there is no need for government computers to be connected on the internet in the first place...perhaps if they did this the government people would actually get their jobs done, and not sit watching porn all day.

but really, yeah, leave us common folk the FCK alone, take ur government machines off the internet, threat resolved.

you can go back gto writing on pen and paper...as u so badly wish u could still be doing so no one could hear about your criminal family.

no need to mess the internet up for the rest of us...

easy as that

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