A warning to all....

reply to post by Jim Scott


Excellent Jim. You beat me to it, if I can say so. That video is a propaganda weapon, aimed at false "patriots" who already live in fear and in the name of "god". It is populist demagogy. It is a paranoia inducing video.

Those who will believe it to the word are the ones to fear instead. It's not education, it's brainwashing that made them that way. "Defending freedom"... No, really? Who wants to take it away? Freedom includes, for those blinded fools that ignore it or don't accept it, the right to be different.

Whoever is foolish enough to believe that the so called "powers that be" are covering a "new world order" (as I understand it, it must absolutely be 1984ish) needs to open their eyes.

The laws are passed for the good of the people in a democratic country. Even if you don't yourself accept it, you have to abide by it. Even more if you are a "patriot" (man I hate that word, it's the ultimate excuse for the worst things). The fact that the elected people are not "to your taste" is only revealing that the majority of the people have a different opinion. People who claim to be "patriots" should remember that it is NOT by closing the door to the rest of the world that they'll make a better place of where they are.

I wish a word could be invented: "humanian". It's not humanitarism, not humanism. I would be a "humanian", to believe that all humans *can* ultimately do something good, as a whole.

Preserving the differences between the people, between the races, between the different cultures is essential. But it is also essential that those differences are accepted by all others. Just as an easy example, I cannot accept something "in the name of god". Find another excuse, but to me that doesn't work. I'm an atheist. I just don't disrespect people who believe in any kind of god, but to me that's no excuse or reason.

Same thing with people who criticize socialism (I am not, by no means, a socialist). There are many countries that did quite well during a socialist period of government. In my country, many, many cities are socialist bastions. The government has a very long red tradition too. I don't like it. But what the heck with it? I have a right to vote, and a right to express my opinions. If I want to make it change, then it's up to me to talk and convince people to vote otherwise. Complaining about it in a stupid internet video will not make it change!

Turning to the past has also never been a good way to go forward. It's nice to remember "those who fought and died", but what about it now? It is also as much important to remember who killed hundreds of thousands with the only nuclear weapons ever used in a war on this planet. And it is also as important to remember the nazism, Stalin, Mao, the British in India or China, the Belgian in Congo, the French in Algeria, etc. The list is long. Sometimes doing good is doing the evil, it all depends which side you're on.

So, if after considering all this, some still think "oh for God's sake, I'm a patriot, I will defend my freedom", well... Think again indeed buddy. Nobody is attacking, why are you on the defensive side? You're so much on the defensive that you even become aggressive towards those who don't share your limited views. Also, who said that atheists couldn't be patriots? Who said that those who believe in your unique god could be non patriots? In what does a non patriot pose a threat or a danger?

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Nothing some of us did not already know. You must understand that if Iraq and Afghanistan showed us anything it is how to blend in with civilians. That will be the only way to defeat the military. It would be idiotic to battle them arms versus arms because that is how the freedom fighters get crushed.

I do not agree with innocent civilian killing, but if no one else is going help defend their nations then they deserve a shrapnel in their...

I forgot which thread showed a video, and in the video showed KRS-One(hip-hop artist). He stated that the way to win a war is to out endure the opponents and he is right. So long is there are enough of us, we can out endure our government.

Trust during chaotic times can be both a great asset,and a dangerous tool to use.

Only a very few people have the capacity to sense when to trust wisely more than 50% of the time.

You really cannot totally trust anyone at all....and shouldn't

After all,just look how sick our society is....it is part of the scheme of the game which is being played out.

The majority of americans have become too
dependent upon the system which will destroy them if they remain faithful to it,or if they fight against it.

The situation appears to be very grim indeed.

Or maybe not.

It depends on your perspective,and your resolve.

If you want to defeat the system,you must refuse to do business with it.

It is just business.

reply to post by unfndqlt


Now for the irony...
This video could be a decoy planted by gov. agents trying to isolate you
Isn't paranoia fun?

Originally posted by unfndqlt
reply to post by Iamonlyhuman

 

You are absolutely right, we are too divided. We need a central point of leadership or a central goal. Maybe there is one and I'm just not in the loop, but if there is not we will certainly loose.

Could not have said this better myself. Violent, non-violent, sign shakers, bloggers, posters, new parties, etc.

They all agree on one theme. Honesty.

They all believe that our Govt. is not Honest with the American people. A growing percentage, are starting to see either the NWO, the Fed. Bankers, etc., which we here know are the root of the problem.

It's like, if someone, back to that "One" statement by the Rapper in A.J.'s new vid, could find a way to pull all the groups into one direction, that finally something would come forth.

I don't know if it is because I am from the north or because I am a city dweller, but this sort of stuff scares the hades out of me.

While I don't want the government to have all the guns, it really is frightening that these groups have such firepower and no real leadership.

Just my thoughts. red

Nice video, we must keep our individual rights, the biggie is the right to bear arms. Thank you for sharing.

Originally posted by SpookyVince
reply to post by Jim Scott

 

The laws are passed for the good of the people in a democratic country. Even if you don't yourself accept it, you have to abide by it. Even more if you are a "patriot" (man I hate that word, it's the ultimate excuse for the worst things). The fact that the elected people are not "to your taste" is only revealing that the majority of the people have a different opinion.


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First of all, we are not a democratic country. A democratic country is majority, or mob rule, where 51% could control the other 49%. We are a republic. You hate the word patriotism, well I hate the word terrorism. That word has been used as the excuse to take away freedoms we once had but did not protect. Look at the patriot act...hmmm I wonder why its called that... anyone who would speak against that must be pretty unpatriotic... Terrorism was used to falsely go to war to gain strategic advantages in the middle east....

With a word like Terrorism there is no enemy, and everyone is the enemy.

A war on terror is a war against anyone you dont like...

reply to post by questioningall


Buy your food for "hoarding" at the dent-n-bent or salvage grocery.

Make sure you get the cans that are not dented or rusted and that they are not too far past the expiry date.

What would the day be without a new fear-mongering video of gloom and doom.

If it is not obvious to you that each day that passes our liberties are being torn from us, then you my friend are blind....

Tore? It's dramatic crap like this that is classic fear-mongering. What have they 'tore' from you? Do you still have freedom of speech? Hmmm.. yes, I'd say this video itself proves that people still have freedom of speech. In fact, in the U.S., we have some of the most tolerant freedoms of speech on the planet. I don't think people realize how good they actually have it.

I'd guess folks like these are the same ones that freak out because police, due to a new law in one state, were able to come into a home and break up a loud party that was full of underage kids drinking and smoking pot. Oh no, we've lost the freedom to be completely irresponsible and unaware of what our kids are doing, argh! Save us!

People were up in arms over that. I personally, am baffled at the things some folks choose to complain about. NWO is taking over because we are 'allowing' the cops to do their job. Drat....

For the record, any SOFessque groups out there would be utterly crushed if there really WERE a government NWO takeover of some sort. It's laughable in the extreme to think they'd have a chance. I guess these groups are full of people who have seen one too many Red Dawn sort of movies.

This is like one of those chain-letter emails you get, only this time it's in the form of a poorly created YouTube video.

meh...

I am hesitant to even respond to this topic. But it's just so annoying seeing all these "get yer' guns" videos. They are all over the place.

If the militias and NRA enthusiasts, cared to stop the Big Government takeover, they are about 6 years too late. The Patriot Act I and II made most things that the government wants to do to deprive you of your freedom, legal, and all that is required is the "believe" in the minds of authorities that you are some kind of terrorist. Which has been construed as wearing the wrong t-shirt at a political rally.

A gun is not going to stop oppression. We have 750 military bases around the world and half our discretionary spending is on the military. The Bankers knew that they were going to crash the system that's why they got the Bankruptcy Reform Act to make sure citizens had a much harder time going bankrupt. 40% interest, widespread NSA spying on EVERY electronic transmission well before 9/11 by Dick Cheney's task force -- well, you guys are a little late to worry about a battle you've already lost.

The best thing you can do is become politically active, and push for a respect of the Constitution. Reducing our standing army would be another great thing -- because there seems to be plenty of money for Banksters and Battleships -- not when it comes time for your kids education or health, we've always run out of money.

Don't worry about the Government tracking ATS members. I'm sure that compared to the Quakers and anti-war protesters who were infiltrated by FBI agents during the Bush administration, we would be listed as "mostly harmless." I'm glad that people are becoming aware of provocateurs in public gatherings, and in other groups trying to get them to act out violently -- that's about the most astute observation yet.

Violence, guns, anarchy -- these feed the justifications of a police state. Being against corporate resource wars, being active politically, and being supportive of you neighbor and never giving into fear -- THESE are the people that totalitarian governments fear. Loving others and doing the right thing are the most radical and dangerous acts to a repressive government.

I'm seeing some signs that our current government is moving away from BushCo fascism, but I worry about pressure behind the scenes. The banks can sabotage our economy, and a thousand other provocateurs can throw a monkey wrench into our industry and stall any recovery from this major recession. Ultimately, your Liberty, is directly related to your rights and voice in government -- not whether you can pull out a gun. If the media stays as full of propaganda as it has been, nobody will know who the bad guy is. You will be crushed by a system if you don't empower yourself with knowledge.

First it is a good video.

Second, it Breeds Fear and the American People are running high on that already.

As some of you know, I have a "group" that I run here in Texas. I interview each person before I let them come out. Today I interviewed two people. One guy did well, was honest and had a geniune interest. The other one was for lack of a better word, a NUT!

In the Militia movement, there has always been the Hateful variety, the Anti-GOvernment kind and the Constitutional kind. I fall into the Constitutional kind- I do not Incite Action. We help our people get prepared for Disasters Natural and Unnatrual- we offered help to FEMA for Hurricane Search and Rescue-we were turned down (not really surprised)-but we are interested in helping our friends, family, neighbors and the People of Texas.

The Question I always ask (now) is this: "When did we start living in Fear?"

I do not think it began on Jan 21st, 2009. Although I did not vote for "O" I still hope that he will do the Right thing. My guys and I existed prior to him taking office-so you cannot use that arguement.

Fear is driving people right now. This video is also a tool for FEAR. It makes everyone paranoid. Yes, there are Disinfo agents out there, there are Informants out there. There are people that would turn their own mother in. They will always be out there. I have to Believe that if what we do is Legal and we are doing the Right Thing. Then we should be ok.

Alex Jones is an Agent of Fear and so are alot of other persons and sites. I think that everything should be taken with a grain of salt and read many, many sources.

What if we were to have civil war in America and then get invaded by a large opponent like China? We would be caught with our pants down thats what! However, I am a patriot from a long line of military Patriots on both sides of the family and as such, am willing to die for such a notion as Freedom and Liberty. I do feel that in order to change the government back, some of us must get into the government and not sell out, even if it means dying by the gun of an assasain. Not a lot of people have those kind of guts as it is apparent by the way the government is run and has been for as long as I know. I am sick of being ripped off of my Freedoms, time to go all-in. It is do or die, fight or flight.

reply to post by ShadowMaster


Hey dude -- I'm glad there are people like you out there.

I've been getting strongly more and more Progressive --whatever that means. I guess it's a lot like a Libertarian, except we don't think that everyone can call off society and live in the woods -- so the next best evil is government with citizens riding herd.

Democracy is when the Government fears the people -- and the more people we have who are "Constitutional Militia" -- well, at least they aren't standing around pulling each other's Johnsons.

The "end of the world club" made of people expecting they will be Mad Max one day -- must be embarrassing. I can relate -- you don't know how relieved everyone in the Progressive camp was that somehow Obama got Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton to take a chill pill.

It was originally intended that America have a "Citizen Militia." There was a real fear of standing armies... and that nightmare has come true. As we have a military that creates as many enemies as it protects us from, to keep itself busy sucking up more and more of the economy. Most soldiers are good people -- but the war business is corrupt as hell. If all citizens took military/militia training, but were only called up in time of war on a volunteer basis. Well, you have a country that nobody wants to invade but is really difficult to use to build an empire. The response to 9/11 should have been using the FBI, and asking the American people to man-up. If every citizen is ready to kick ass -- then we get rid of the hostages and victims. Instead, we were told to go shopping, and not worry our pretty little heads about security, the government was there to not tell us anything because it could help the enemy, and they had this thousand page document that gave them permission to do whatever the heck they wanted to do within a week. We had pseudo-security where people took of shoes while the people working the airport had no background checks, the ports were left wide open, and a lot of high value targets like gas plants got no attention. Anyway, no need to rehash that complete failure, and exercise in cowardice training.

I'd rather risk getting blown up, than living under the rule of a secretive government that spied on everything, and makes more of the public wonder if they don't fear the government more than the alleged bad guys.

It's the "wrong" belief that Liberalism is against personal responsibility and self-defense. We've been against the nutters who fall in love with guns, and constantly look for provocations. Who don't think that we need safety locks on weapons or a making sure that we don't have a lot of trunk of the car weapons salesmen who continuously claim that their weapons are stolen yet somehow manage to stay in business. I'm not anti-macho at all. Just the dumb-@ss phonies that are more of a liability than any problem they plan on fixing. One day they are soldier's of fortune -- the next, Timothy McViegh. Half these guys just noticed that the government got a lot more power -- AFTER Bush left office. It seriously makes me question that their real issue is Big Government and not brain washing.

Do you see it that way too?

I think Obama has loosened some of the reigns and added more transparency -- but he hasn't revoked any of the Executive privileges that Bush started adding to the imperial presidency. Maybe, if things are as corrupt in the City of Washington as I believe -- he has a good reason not to get rid of the ability to declare anyone an enemy of the state and lock them up without charges. I'm guessing he's going to get rid of that when he LEAVES office.


>> The WORST thing that citizen militias can do, is to fall into the trap of provoking a government crack-down. Or of becoming Lynching parties. IF, you guys actually care about the Constitution beyond just the 2nd Amendment -- then I'm glad there are some people who could stand up against mercenary groups like Blackwater -- who wouldn't even be allowed to operate in a real Democracy.

Well I am an AMERICAN, I do not see fit in destroying our country just yet...

Many of these same folks talking about revolution are the same ones calling others unpatriot for talking bad on thee wars.

I trust these people as much the NWO - I will defend my country!


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Originally posted by Angel One
What if we were to have civil war in America and then get invaded by a large opponent like China? We would be caught with our pants down thats what! However, I am a patriot from a long line of military Patriots on both sides of the family and as such, am willing to die for such a notion as Freedom and Liberty. I do feel that in order to change the government back, some of us must get into the government and not sell out, even if it means dying by the gun of an assasain. Not a lot of people have those kind of guts as it is apparent by the way the government is run and has been for as long as I know. I am sick of being ripped off of my Freedoms, time to go all-in. It is do or die, fight or flight.

What was the point of Iraq then people?


Emboldening the Terrorists?


I wonder what freedom people wish to find and who shall maintain it - the fear of socialisms shall offer an entrance for corpofascism - your free market will be your new master - like the TRILLION you gave to big oil last year...

Agreed with the propaganda, this sounds familiar with the WW2 bull#. It wreaks of republican stand up for your false freedom # they do. Of course i could be singled out by saying this but who is to say the NWO is bad? They have us right where they want us now. Stuck in a job if you can find one, so deep in debit you have to work, you cant afford an alternative life style to know any different, you must obey the laws right or wrong and if you question it your a terrorist, and religion keeps everyone else quiet. Dosent this seem a little like fascism undercover? Whos to say the NWO isnt the ones to free us from that? That everyone else in the world isnt already together in harmony and the government isnt censoring it to keep us in line? Yes they do have the kind of technology. Thats exactly what the government doesn't want and it seems like only pro-government is attacking the NWO. Think about it then decide whos the sheep..

There are hundreds of millions of Americans and there simply can be no way to moniter them all, it would be impossible and therefore stupid to try it, so in that sense the goal probably centers around honeypots and entrapment, and that usually only ensnares fools. Mostly a digital record kind of exists as a way to spin something if it happens in the public sphere of reality to their benefit, after the fact, like calling 911 and the police show up after the crime was committed. So all that tells me maybe that people generally don't attack unless attack like in Waco/OKC. Most people just want to be left alone.

Originally posted by bubbabuddha

There are hundreds of millions of Americans and there simply can be no way to moniter them all, it would be impossible and therefore stupid to try it, so in that sense the goal probably centers around honeypots and entrapment, and that usually only ensnares fools. Mostly a digital record kind of exists as a way to spin something if it happens in the public sphere of reality to their benefit, after the fact, like calling 911 and the police show up after the crime was committed. So all that tells me maybe that people generally don't attack unless attack like in Waco/OKC. Most people just want to be left alone.

I recall something Dr. Stephen Greer DisclosureProject.org said - there is no private phone call on planet earth (well, he made on exception, but I won't go into that).

But we can be assured that deep in some underground reservoir they are tracking
every phone call and maybe email. Have you heard of TIA - total information awareness and Carnivore?

from en.wikipedia.org...

_Carnivore is a system implemented by the Federal Bureau of Investigation that is analogous to wiretapping, except in this case, e-mail and other communications are being tapped instead of telephone conversations. Carnivore is a customizable packet sniffer that can monitor all of a target user's Internet traffic. It is a form of policeware. Carnivore was implemented during the Clinton administration with the approval of the Attorney General. U.S. government officials have neither confirmed nor denied much about the physical or logical workings of Carnivore, but there are some facts that are generally agreed upon._
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Although Congress defunded TIA about 2003, several corollary activities are still taking place probably under DARPA.