Can Obama be impeached for sheer incompetence?

Originally posted by LiquidLight


There was plenty of enthusiasm to impeach Bush when he was in office, but, like this, it was all talk and no action. While we can't blame Obama for causing the crisis, we can certainly blame him for not handling it well. I don't see how putting us in debt for trillions more dollars is going to aid us in this financial crisis.

Economics is not an exact science, but there is plenty of history to suggest that during an economic downturn when businesses aren't spending any money, the government spending money spurs the economy. But again, its economic theory and not law.

For those who see this as incompetence--well talk to hundreds of other economists who suggested this. He can't be an expert at every field, but I have confidence he has the mental ability to know if something is not working that it is time to try another course of action.

I think the whole idea of calling for his impeachment for "incompetence" after 50 days or even 100 days is jumping the gun. We've been in the economic sprial for over a year, and it will take some time to get out of it.

All I know is what I can see and read.
To me, Obama is taking on too many huge projects. Everyday some new and major is being outed.
I don't see any specifics on these projects, just the ideas.

I don't see these stimulus packages helping me or most other citizens.
Keep spending and printing, soon a loaf of Wonder bread will be about eight dollars a loaf...if we're lucky.

And, today not included, the stock market has lost over 20% of its value since he took office less than 2 months ago.
It got to the point where I would cringe anytime he or one of his people would speak before the market closed: the market doesn't like what he's doing either.

And, just so you know, I was ready to give Obama a chance.
But its clear the same puppet masters are in power.

reply to post by jsobecky


I doubt your question is academic.

Treason could be defined as attempting or conspiring to overthrow a democratically elected government.

Any particular FEMA camp you have in mind ?

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-Voltaire (1764)

reply to post by drwizardphd



That makes alot of sense. Comparing Obama's 1st month to Bush's last? If you try apples to apples you will see Bush and Obama having about the same approval rating, with Obama having a slightly higher disapproval ratings after one month

www.gallup.com...

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by RRconservative
To the Bush bashers:

If Bush was incomptetent, is it OK for Obama to be incompetent also?

Dude, get off the "partisan train". Seriously. Once you see that nothing changes between Rep. and Dem. you'll be on the track of what's wrong in America.

Intrepid, my Canadian friend.

I am a "partisan", but why does my partisanship stand out to you? This thread is about Obama's inexperience and incompetence. Yet partisan liberals are trying to derail this thread by bringing up Bush. I'll take an incompetent leader trying to protect his country over an incompent leader trying to pust his socialist agenda anyday.

I'll admit when Bush took the reigns from Clinton, many times I defended Bush by saying Clinton did the same. Liberals scoffed then, but are doing the exact same thing. It's the way things work. But Liberals feelings are hurt much worse now, because Obama was suppose to represent "Change", and are realizing "The One" we are waiting for is "The One" we can do without!

reply to post by ManBehindTheMask


Dude, you know no matter how much Obama and congress (In control for 2 years) screws things up they will blame it on Bush and the Republicans and since almost all media is controlled by the left that is what will be broadcasted and that is what the majority of people will beleive.

Originally posted by RRconservative
reply to post by drwizardphd

 

That makes alot of sense. Comparing Obama's 1st month to Bush's last? If you try apples to apples you will see Bush and Obama having about the same approval rating, with Obama having a slightly higher disapproval ratings after one month

Seriously? Thanks for enforcing my point. It's absolutely futile to pass judgment on Obama yet, just like it was when Bush first started off. He may of had high approval when he first started off but once he actually began to run the country people realized what a tool he was. Sadly, he somehow got re-elected and then went on to earn the distinguished honor of being the least approved president in polling history at the end of his term.

And you also must remember that Bush inherited the country after 8 years of prosperity under Clinton's administration. It was much easier for people to approve of the president when they had roofs over their heads and jobs to go to in the morning. Once he took that away from them they changed their minds in a heartbeat.

If Obama manages to reverse the state of things, people will begin to approve of him in droves. If he can't, his approval rating will plummet just like Bush's. Attempting to pass judgment on him before he has a chance to do anything is simply asinine.

I will hold my judgment of Obama until he has served a couple of years into his first term, or at least done something major (good or bad). Until then, he's just another president with an average approval rating, doing the best he can to repair all the damage the last administration has done to our proud nation.

reply to post by drwizardphd

Originally posted by drwizardphd
And you also must remember that Bush inherited the country after 8 years of prosperity under Clinton's administration. It was much easier for people to approve of the president when they had roofs over their heads and jobs to go to in the morning. Once he took that away from them they changed their minds in a heartbeat.

Another common misconception. Bush actually inherited an economy on the brink of recession. And he managed to turn it around.

The Clinton Manufacturing Recession - Bush inherited this job-challenged economy.

reply to post by DontTreadOnMe

Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
All I know is what I can see and read.
To me, Obama is taking on too many huge projects. Everyday some new and major is being outed.
I don't see any specifics on these projects, just the ideas.

Sometimes he reminds me of a second-string quarterback being thrust into a playoff game. Trying to do too much, trying to win the game all by himself. At times like that I almost feel sorry for him. Almost.

A President can be impeached for just about any reason, but it takes a majority of the House of Representatives to vote for the articles of impeachment. That aint going to happen. It should be clear why the Democrats were so committed to securing a veto proof majority in both Houses of Congress. They fell a little short of the goal but they do have an unimpeachable majority.

We'll see how he does. He is taking a different direction, for sure.

reply to post by jsobecky


Nope, he cannot.

But George Bush sure of hell should've been. Talk about incompetence!!
Obama is probably the smartest guy you people have had running your country in generations...

J.

Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by drwizardphd

 

Originally posted by drwizardphd
And you also must remember that Bush inherited the country after 8 years of prosperity under Clinton's administration. It was much easier for people to approve of the president when they had roofs over their heads and jobs to go to in the morning. Once he took that away from them they changed their minds in a heartbeat.

Another common misconception. Bush actually inherited an economy on the brink of recession. And he managed to turn it around.

The Clinton Manufacturing Recession - Bush inherited this job-challenged economy.

Don't confuse creating artificial bubbles to put off and exacerbate the problems of the economy with turning it around.

throw all of the above issues aside and look at his latest great idea. Set Guantanamo prisoners free and give some a fair trial in a US court. whats up with that? first off...arent they the guys that attacked us? it really disturbes me that although i was fighting for our country, undoubtedly against a few of the men that are there now, he wants to send them back? does he really think they'll be overjoyed that they're free and just go back to farming and working like respectable Middle Easterners do? I have studied the Arab culture, and although I am a christian, i greatly respect them as a people, but theres a few radicals...much like our own radical groups here. If we've kept them in a prison, locked up since we caught them, they're gonna go back madder than they were when they got here...and now they'll have a new reason, and i have to say i wouldnt blame them, for revenge. Personally i feel that pardoning the planner of the 9/11 attacks and shutting down guantanamo and sending them back is the same as sympathyzing with the terrorists...just my opinion though

reply to post by jsobecky


Only if we can put Bush in Prison for starting illegal wars under false pretenses and taking the first steps in the destruction of our Constitution our Freedom & Liberty with the implementation of the Patriot Act. Which is nothing but an act intended to Stop Patriots.

What do they pay you people (both Democrats & Republicans) to ignore reality and divert all attention so nobody notices the fact the all politicians are criminals corrupted by world corporations and all you do is complain about the ones currently in the head office.

So, what's your plan if you get Obama out of office? Put another Criminal like Bush in, so we can have police checkpoints at every intersection and government cameras and microphones inside our cars?

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reply to post by jimbo9999


Smartest guy? What's that got to do with anything? One can be intelligent as all get out and still not be able to do the job...happens all the time.

Like DTOM, I see an administration that is trying to be all things to all people...and that's just not going to work. I just can't get past the notion that where we're headed is a form of "Nanny" state, where gov't. tries and,as with most things gov't. does, fails to be mother and father. Phooey, what I want from gov't. is less, not more.

While it's a bit too early, ok lot's too early, to talk impeachment. It's never too early to notice some disturbing trends. Spending non existent money comes to mind...and yes, I know Mr. Bush did it, and I didn't like it then either.

Mr. Obama needs, along with Congress, to put away the check book for a while, or cut spending in other areas. Spend money? Fine. Do what ordinary folks do, find some real money, one can't live on credit forever, eventually they come looking for their money.

Citizens are required by common sense to live within our means. So to should gov't. be, because eventually we'll be the ones paying the gov't's bills.



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If Bush couldn’t be impeached for crimes against humanity why bother asking?

Unreal the lynch mobs around here.

peace

I agree witht the "to early to pass judgement" group. He isn't starting off real well, lets see how he adjusts. I also agree with the post where he is trying to do to much all at once. Rookie back up quarterback is a good analogy.

I would like to ask how long are we going to blame President Bush. When are we going to hold President Obama responsible for his actions and what reaction it has on our country? Is it going to be 6 months? A year, maybe 2 or are we going to give him a free pass throughout his first term?



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reply to post by jsobecky


I'm sure you know that with big democratic majorities in both houses of Congress there would have to be something BIG for the word "impeachment" to even be whispered in D.C.

Do you REALLY want him to be impeached? I mean, that would leave us with Joe Biden. It was kind of a head scratcher when Obama picked Biden, but now it's starting to make sense. LOL

Of course, Bambi Boy is so far in over his head he doesn't know which way is up; however, the American people made their bed and I think it's best they have to lie in it for awhile so the lesson won't be missed. What's the lesson? Oh, something along the lines of "don't EVER elect a nanny-state socialist who plays the race card and class envy card, who has never run anything except his mouth (and that's only with the aid of a TelePrompter), who refuses to release important documents to give us a clue of WHO he really is, and surrounds himself with people throughout his life that hate America".

I understand a lot of Americans wanting to give him the benefit of the doubt during his "honeymoon" stage, but he is well on his way to destroying this goodwill faster than any President in American history.

If after the 100-day honeymoon things are contining to get worse economically, the American people will feel they have the "right" to oppose him. Every day it seems someone that voted for him is coming forward and saying "Hey, I didn't vote for THIS!". This is likely to pick up steam and become an avalanche.

It took liberals years of pounding on Bush to make him unpopular. Their worst nightmare is for Obama to accomplish this all by himself in a matter of days, but that's the road we're heading down.

Once the Congress members start looking ahead to the 2010 mid-term elections, they will be much more interested in saving their own bacon than that of Obama's. Obama will continue to see his support of moderate and conservative democrats erode. We've already had some speak out against some of Obama's proposals.

At that point, Obama will have to do 1 of 2 things. He can make a sudden, drastic change in direction, fire a bunch of his advisors, and tell us that he "gets it". This is highly unlikely. He will likely be shielded from the growing anger that is already bubbling up out there, and his ego is so huge, he'd never admit he was wrong or that he can't do what he has set out to do (turn the US into a socialist state).

Thus, IF the GOP can form a unified, coherent message and plan, they stand a great chance of repeating the 1994 election and slaughter the democrats. If that happens, Obama will be a lame-duck for the rest of his term and his radical programs will be stopped cold.

The only chance of Obama getting removed from office would be if he was caught in a scandal, such as not being Constitutionally qualified to serve as President. In such a case, some key democrats would probably have to stroll up to the White House and tell Obama that the "gig was up" and that he could do the honorable thing (resign) and get one last free ride on Marine One, or that he could be dragged out kicking and screaming (impeachment). Hopefully, for the good of the country he would look into his TelePrompter one last time and give us his best Nixon impersonation.

Oh, and for those of you still whining about Bush, feel free to retrieve your brains from the liberal media and politicians. They bashed Bush all they could and you swallowed it hook, line, and sinker like "useful idiots". Bush was never going to be impeached because he didn't commit any crimes. The democrats know this which is why they were never serious about it. It was just to get their "useful idiots" all riled up. Well done, comrades.

If you thought things were bad under Bush, you're about to find out how bad things really can get under a guy who doesn't have the slightest clue of what he's doing and has surrounded himself with more clueless people from Joe "what's the website number?" Biden to Timmy Turbo Tax Cheat Geitner and on down the line.

I think his most brilliant appointment was Janet Napolitino to Sec of Homeland Security. Yeah, take a border state governor who rejected and fought against every bill passed by the legislature and measures passed by the citizens to protect the borders, and put her in charge of protecting the entire nation. Sheer genius. * GAG *

What's wrong liberals? Is the fun you had playing offense for the past 8 years over? Not so much fun playing defense is it? Don't worry, if practice makes perfect, you'll be pros in no time, because it's going to be "all defense, all the time". Enjoy.