Pentagon says Chinese vessels harassed U.S. ship

lets talk about REAL threats;

the largest spy system in the world exists in the USA, its named Echalon. It records every text message, telephone call, skype, email, fax, cell phone, even breaks into secured smart phones. It does not differentiate between who you are, it records everything.

If you were a foreign country, you would want access to this system, why build your own when you can hijack US system like Echalon. So its what the French, Israeli, German, Russian, Cuban, British, and pretty much G20 Nations do....they hijack US Spy systems for their own Use.
Your own government built the spy system that other countries use to gather information on american citizens and american corporations, while US agencies use it to spy on foreign companies and citizens.
This is why its called the great game.

Before anyone goes on a rant, its what the USA did to Europe, read about the Promis software system USA tried to sell to its own allies to spy on their law enforcement and military agencies.

USA built a spy system that has spiraled out of control and being sold on contract basis to highest bidder.

Originally posted by Hallberg Rassy

lets talk about REAL threats;

the largest spy system in the world exists in the USA, its named Echalon

Before anyone goes on a rant,

Thanks for the Rant but...

No it's called the "Internet" anybody can find out pretty much all they want to know about the US by surfing the web. That's one of the real downside of having a open society.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by airteck

 

They probably just noticed the "For SALE - Going out of Business" sign on the ship. They were just the repo crew checking in on their property.

I never liked that ship anyway!

Seriously you are right. We would do the same to any vessel straying too close to our waters. The question is, is why is the MSM reporting it so quickly.

I read Military.com's newsletter everyday to stay relatively informed on the Military and there was no mention of it in today's newsletter.

It was 33 minutes old on CNN when I tagged it, but it had to have happened hours ago because of the time difference and it occuring during daylight.

The MSM wants us to know about this, badly, and quickly, why?

To convince the people that China/US relationships are going bad while it could be quite the contrary. An "make China attack Russia while we are at it too" plan is favored by Z. Brzezinski and the world knows Z.Brzezinski is backing Obama.

Old plan: Iran. Syria, Venezuela = enemy. Russia = neutral (or don't know what to do about them). China neutral, Israel = friend
New plan: Iran, Syria, Venezuela, China = friend. Russia = enemy. Israel = neutral

Its a false flag IMO/or something left from the former Bush strategy, that US is going to soon revise and the (particular) MSM focused because it would be one of the followers of the current Z.Brzezinski Obama philosophy and reported it in a negative light in order for it to stop going on in the future, or remind Obama stuff that old Bush era games are still at play from the military while he is not looking.

But look at what Obama's (Brzezinski thought and backed) plan will accomplish in the future. Turkey is already moving towards (friendlier) Russia, (buying weapons and other partnerships) don't be surprised if Israel does this too soon. Will this plan put Russia in the corner or make them stronger in the end? It remains to be seen.

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Watch out for EU - Russia - Japan axis!

Just kiddin'

Read the first several pages and no one mentioned this so I thought I'd toss this out for all to chew on. China has a sub base located at Hainan Island, so having a survey/spy ship on their back door would cause some interest.

Using sonar to map the sea bed looking for sub movement would be my guess. Now would you want some other country knowing where your subs were? However its not like we can't see them from space, we can. We can see all the way to the sea bed as if the water wasn't even there but the survey/spy ship could see what the sats might miss. Just my thoughts for what ever they are worth.

Originally posted by yellowcard

Originally posted by sadchild01
reply to post by Curio

 

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You have never even been near a ship have you?

I agree with the previous poster, I'd like to see them do that to a carrier group, probably the safest place in the entire world is on a U.S. super carrier. The U.S. is the largest manufacturer in the entire world...call me when China's economy no longer consists of making plastic toys, and is mostly dependent on exports to the West. I'm contempt with America, I don't agree with the money they are currently spending, and a lot of other things they are doing; but if China won't buy out debt, someone else will. If The U.S. put up a trade embargo against China, China would be on it's knees begging for the lift. Them holding our debt does not at all make them more powerful than the U.S., Japan, the EU, and tons of nations own our debts. If they stop buying the debt then they will suffer massive losses on it, then all their currency reserves would be worthless. Read up sadchild.

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USA impose an embargo ??

lol, China could easily ruin USA by nationalising all american industrial and commercial assets in China , costing USA in magntude of trillions
no problemo , china will simply nationalize all the american industrial assets in China and its allied nations ,this will be worth trillions and will assure that USA ceases to be a developed nation

If they stop buying the debt then they will suffer massive losses on it, then all their currency reserves would be worthless.

China knows it and is taking steps and diversifying , you should have read some of my former post you ignorant sheeple

firstly exports are 8-10% of chinese gdp...

But Asia now understands that the increase of money supply decreases the intrinsic value of a currency. That is why China is seeking a possible and rational attempt to decouple Asian currencies from the dollar, as recent news stories report [1]. In practice, China is trying to make its currency convertible and give it a role as a reserve currency. The first experiment is limited to transactions between Hong Kong and the neighboring provinces. It is also proposed that the yuan renminbi be used in 8 neighboring countries, including Russia. With these countries, agreements have already been signed for the settlement of contracts in the Chinese currency. Perhaps it is no coincidence that the news was released on Christmas Day, when Western markets are closed, reducing the impact on the dollar. In addition, the first weeks of January are usually fairly quiet. This means that although for now the trial is limited, China is preparing to establish full convertibility of its currency to all other currencies. Many in China have spoken out directly or indirectly in this regard: for example, Wu Xiaoling, former vice governor of the central bank, and Zhao Xijun, a professor of finance at Renmin University of China. The current governor of China's central bank, Zhou Xiaochuan, in early December in Hong Kong had indicated that if the value of the dollar fluctuated drastically, its use as a settlement currency (for commercial transactions) would cause problems. It is clear that Chinese exporters, behind the scenes, are asking the government for permission to charge in yuan instead of dollars, which are losing value. Other warnings came in the middle of last December: the increase in purchases of U.S. Treasury bonds should not lead to the supposition that the U.S. can borrow its way out of the financial crisis [2]. Finally, on January 1, a well-known Chinese economist, Wu Jinglian, wrote that China must change its development model [3], with reference to the paradigm of economic growth driven by exports. We note, incidentally, that even the pope, who obviously has mainly pastoral responsibilities, has said the world must change its model of development [4] ("Are we are prepared to conduct together an in-depth review of the dominant development model, to correct it in a comprehensive and forward-looking way?" Benedict XVI asked).
www.asianews.it...

China has taken preliminary steps to make yuan a reserve currency

It is clear that Chinese exporters, behind the scenes, are asking the government for permission to charge in yuan instead of dollars

and now least 8 nations will use yuan for trade with china

It has launched the experiment of using the yuan as a reserve currency in relations with 8 countries. Chinese exporters are asking to charge in yuan instead of dollars, because the U.S. currency is losing value.

he U.S. is the largest manufacturer in the entire world...call me when China's economy no longer consists of making plastic toys, and is mostly dependent on exports to the West.

of what ? weapons,war,porn

its industries of manufacturing have been largely outsourced to China , nowadays advanced systems for your nation defence components are made in China , Check WND , theres a good article on that
a lot of consumer electronics is china made,

I agree with the previous poster, I'd like to see them do that to a carrier group, probably the safest place in the entire world is on a U.S. super carrier.

super carrier is a sitting duck(shows your level of military knowledge) , a quiet submarine(nuclear/diesel) in the sea is the safest , while on land ,it is a mobile unit
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Originally posted by sadchild01


lol, China could easily ruin USA by nationalising all american industrial and commercial assets in China , costing USA in magntude of trillions
no problemo , china will simply nationalize all the american industrial assets in China and its allied nations ,this will be worth trillions and will assure that USA ceases to be a developed nation

That goes both ways
They may never get their money back
If nobody buys anything Chinese made their people don't eat
I like your post


Get real!

If China and the US don't work "Together" Nobody is going to recover economically and those billions of Chinese will be stuck eating all the garbage they make for Walmart instead of food

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by sadchild01


lol, China could easily ruin USA by nationalising all american industrial and commercial assets in China , costing USA in magntude of trillions
no problemo , china will simply nationalize all the american industrial assets in China and its allied nations ,this will be worth trillions and will assure that USA ceases to be a developed nation

That goes both ways

They may never get their money back

If nobody buys anything Chinese made their people don't eat

I like your post

Get real!

If China and the US don't work "Together" Nobody is going to recover economically and those billions of Chinese will be stuck eating all the garbage they make for Walmart instead of food

China can pull itself out of it ,

That goes both ways

They may never get their money back

If nobody buys anything Chinese made their people don't eat

I like your post

China can give fiscal stimulus to save itself and increase consumption , please refer Peter Schiff on this , it has industries , unlike USA , which will cease to be developed nation by 2012 ,according Gerald Celente

If China and the US don't work "Together" Nobody is going to recover economically and those billions of Chinese will be stuck eating all the garbage they make for Walmart instead of food

China will not be in depression. You forgot that technically China is still a socialist system. It might become poorer even if its export is damaged, the government influence on the economy is very big and it can stop its economy free fall into depression. That is the difference between total free market of US and government controlled free market of China.

how?
Although some say only a third of the economy is now directly state-controlled, the sectors in the hands of the state are generally the largest and most important industries. Estimates vary for the percentage of the private sector composition of GDP, the OECD estimate in 2005 was 59.9% . The public sector is dominated by 159 State Owned Enterprises (SOEs) under central government control in such key areas as utilities, heavy industries, and energy resources. These SOEs own and control tens of thousands of subsidiary firms. Local city, township and village governments also own state or collective enterprises at a local level.

(compared to USA , large part of china is public sector , while USa NO public sector, in public sector it means job safety,China would bailout its own public sector and use fiscal stimuluses

Originally posted by sadchild01

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China knows it and is taking steps and diversifying , you should have read some of my former post you ignorant sheeple

firstly exports are 8-10% of chinese gdp...

of what ? weapons,war,porn

its industries of manufacturing have been largely outsourced to China , nowadays advanced systems for your nation defence components are made in China , Check WND , theres a good article on that
a lot of consumer electronics is china made,

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Ok if you can stop patting yourself on the back for a few seconds let's talk reality here.

America remains the world's leading manufacturer of goods

America remains the world's leading manufacturer of goods

February 16, 2009 @ 10:10 PM

STEPHEN MANNING

The Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- It may seem like the country that used to make everything is on the brink of making nothing.

In January, 207,000 U.S. manufacturing jobs vanished in the largest one-month drop since October 1982. Factory activity is hovering at a 28-year low. Even before the recession, plants were hemorrhaging work to foreign competitors with cheap labor. And some companies were moving production overseas.

But manufacturing in the United States isn't dead or even dying. It's moving upscale, following the biggest profits, and becoming more efficient, just like Henry Ford did when he created the assembly line to make the Model T.

The U.S. by far remains the world's leading manufacturer by value of goods produced. It hit a record $1.6 trillion in 2007 -- nearly double the $811 billion in 1987. For every $1 of value produced in China's factories, America generates $2.50.

So what's made in the USA these days?

The U.S. sold more than $200 billion worth of aircraft, missiles and space-related equipment in 2007. And $80 billion worth of autos and auto parts. Deere & Co., best known for its bright green and yellow tractors, sold $16.5 billion worth of farming equipment last year, much of it to the rest of the world. Then there's energy products like gas turbines for power plants made by General Electric, computer chips from Intel and fighter jets from Lockheed Martin. Household names like GE, General Motors, IBM, Boeing, Hewlett-Packard are among the largest manufacturers by revenue.

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Keep reading it gets better

Several trends have emerged over the decades:

America makes things that other countries can't. Today, "Made in USA" is more likely to be stamped on heavy equipment or the circuits that go inside other products than the TVs, toys, clothes and other items found on store shelves.

U.S. companies have shifted toward high-end manufacturing as the production of low-value goods moves overseas. This has resulted in lower prices for shoppers and higher profits for companies.

When demand slumps, all types of manufacturing jobs are lost. Some higher-end jobs -- but not all -- return with good times. Workers who make goods more cheaply produced overseas suffer.

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according to world factbbook , Germany is the largest ...
en.wikipedia.org...

The U.S. sold more than $200 billion worth of aircraft, missiles

like I said weapons for war ..

computer chips from Intel and fighter jets from Lockheed Martin

fighter jets ?? again weapons of war

and computer chips of intel are made in many nations and there are 3 main facilites in USA that manufacture intel chips Oregon, Arizona and New Mexico

U.S. companies have shifted toward high-end manufacturing as the production of low-value goods moves overseas. This has resulted in lower prices for shoppers and higher profits for companies.

the article is crap , many high technology and software development and intermediate processes are outside USA , the only thing that remains in USA is the assembly lol

At the same time, workers are streamlining the wing assembly for the 737, the company's best-selling commercial plane, said Richard McCabe, a wing line mechanic for 10 years and former Machinists union shop steward.
McCabe said there was a lot of initial resistance on the shop floor, but Boeing's increased outsourcing -- including wing production for the new 787 to Japan -- helped change workers' minds.

lol, like i said the intermediate work intensive processes have been outsourced by many of your aerospace sector too
up:
good , continue to ruin yourself USA
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Originally posted by sadchild01

China can pull itself out of it ,

China can give fiscal stimulus to save itself and increase consumption ,

In the coming months, Beijing will continue with media crackdowns and increased physical security precautions as the economic crisis drags on — revealing that, far from an economic miracle, China is splitting at the seams.

www.stratfor.com...



Good Ole China! They are a shining beacon of personal & economic freedom/prosperity for all the world to emulate


China's in a Recession

The American economist Nouriel Roubini said growth figures of 6.8% in the fourth quarter of 2008 masked the reality that China was already in recession – a view privately shared by many Chinese financial analysts who dare not say so in public....

*All along the coast, angry workers besieged labour offices and government buildings after dozens of factories closed their doors without paying wages and their owners went back to Hong Kong, Taiwan or South Korea.

*In southern China, hundreds of workers blocked a highway to protest against pay cuts imposed by managers. At several factories, there were scenes of chaos as police were called to stop creditors breaking in to seize equipment in lieu of debts.

*In northern China, television journalists were punished after they prepared a story on the occupation of a textile mill by 6,000 workers. Furious local leaders in the city of Linfen said the news item would “destroy social stability” and banned it....

Don't Bet on China Recovering from Recession Anytime Soon

The odd thing about China’s massive four trillion yuan ($586 billion) economic stimulus package is that it is not using purely taxpayer money. Instead the vast majority of the funds are to come from taxpayer bank deposits. The Chinese central government announced last November that the central government will directly fund only about a quarter of the four trillion yuan ($586 billion) economic-stimulus package. The rest of the funds are expected to come from bonds issued by the local governments, bank loans and the private sector. In 2005 Ernst & Young issued a report stating that the bad debts in the Chinese financial sector exceeded $900 billion. The report was hotly disputed by the Chinese government and withdrawn by Ernst & Young. Despite that it was most likely true. Over the past few years Chinese companies especially state owned companies with little or no corporate governance oversight have been acting in ways that would make a Wall Street banker blush.

China: The Recession & Renewed Media Restrictions

The hard economic times compounding China’s already-delicate social balance have prompted Beijing to resort to centralizing tactics because it does not know what else to do to ensure that economically distressed masses remain under Party control.

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Simply because you don't like the truth doesn't mean you can just ignore the facts. Some of us are a lot more aware of what China is doing more so than others

I'll trust those sources rather than believing you my friend.
The fact of the matter is that the whole planet is tied together and the more people try to deny that little fact the more ignorant they sound. China may try to do all those things but it will never become a reserve currency at least not while they are communists anyway.

Here is a pretty good eye opener for you pay attention and get the facts.
Check out this thread.
China vs. The USA: An eye opener







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and your blog tries your riducule IMF , but IMF stated that China's economy will continue to grow , don't use blogs for sources , as good as yellow journalism

China and india are predicted to grow in this recession :

The IMF has cut its growth forecast for China's economy to 6.7% this year from 8.5% and called upon Beijing to focus on boosting domestic demand, the South China Morning Post reported. "It implies a lot of changes - difficult changes, painful changes - in the Chinese economy," Dominique Strauss-Kahn, IMF managing director, said of the revised projection. China's economic growth slumped to 6.8% in the fourth quarter of 2008 with exports posting a 2.8% year-on-year decline in December. Full-year GDP growth for 2008 came to 9%. Despite the various stimulus measures announced by the government, Strauss-Kahn said there was scope for doing more. He noted that the IMF has been calling for a shift from export-led growth to domestic-led growth for several months. The IMF predicts Asia-wide growth of 2.7% this year.
www.chinaeconomicreview.com...

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Are you referring to this???

Last week the International Monetary Fund predicted that the Chinese economy would grow by 6.7% in 2009. They had earlier predicted that Chinese growth would be 8.5% in 2009. Back in November, the World Bank predicted that China would grow by 7.5% in 2009.

seekingalpha.com...

If you ARE then try reading the next paragraph...

Meanwhile, the world's premier economic analyst, Nouriel Roubini of the RGE Monitor doesn't just say that China won't grow in 2009. He claims that China is already in a recession, DESPITE STATISTICS TO THE CONTRARY.

seekingalpha.com...

I know it may be infuriating... but I tend to read the WHOLE article and not just the bits & pieces that suit my argument.

Oh boy..

Future looks so grim! (according to these economic forecast sources)

I want to know what happens when China has to face a declining trend of their income. Will this put them right in the arms of Russians that might have a clever plan to stretch and acquire resources currently under US control? What could this do to an already declining US economy?
Who devised this whole economic crisis and literally threw a monkey wrench to many big power players across the Globe? Can it be that even big players are not themselves aware of the global game concept in its entirety? Who controls the strings? Is there someone responsible for the chaos or there is absolutely no control over anything from anyone, contrary to what the average person believes, and we just spiraling out of control each day passes?

Bad economic forecasts even about China would hurt US in more ways than one, in multiple fronts, no matter how you try to make it better, it is clearly evident that old times are OVER! People have to introduce new concepts and start thinking differently from now on, IF we are ever able to emerge the world out of this crisis. Military response and War itself should not be an option even if this option will appear very promissing (at the time). Nobody knows what's stored for us in the future. Also in reality the world seems like no one is really controlling anything, only plenty of wishful thinking and boasting about things that might not work as intended in the first place (due to several different reasons) when the need will arise.

This is truly uncharted territory we sailing in.

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Originally posted by SLAYER69
I guess that's the Chinese version of Shock and awe!

Maybe they were trying to blind the ship's observation gear with their pale little butts, lol...

About our debt, we can send their check on the nose of an ICBM if they really want to push us. I hate pushy bill collectors.

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CNN is already backpedaling on their report, rewriting the article as

China says U.S. ship violated international law

BEIJING, China (CNN) -- A U.S. surveillance ship violated Chinese and international laws during patrols more than 100 miles (160 kilometers) off the Chinese coast over the weekend, China's state-run media reported Tuesday.

"China has lodged serious representations with the United States, as the USNS Impeccable conducted activities in China's special economic zone in the South China Sea," said Ma Zhaoxu, a Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman. "We demand that the United States put an immediate stop to related activities and take effective measures to prevent similar acts from happening."

Hurray for objective journalism! The privately owned vessel under Contract to the US Navy (you can tell by the yellow stripe on the Main Stack) was 100 miles off of the coast of China, International Waters in anybodies book: United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea

It does not take a rocket scientist (or Military Intelligence Anaylst) to figure out that what our guys are doing is gathering signature data on China's submarine fleet, well outside internationally recognized maritime boundaries to Deter nuclear aggression against, guess who? - anybody besides the Chinese

Why do we want to do that? Duh, wouldn't you like US Military Intelligence to know when one of China's subs is poised to launch against civilian targets? Gathering signature data helps deter aggression.

This is ridiculous! I want Condi back! US Troops are protecting Chinese Mining Operations in Afghanistan, and they are trying to scuttle our expensive surveillance arrays by throwing logs into the ships path. Oh yeah, that is the spirit of International cooperation.

Maybe the Pilot Whales were trying to warn us of the Danger! Think about it!

Originally posted by Mainer
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

The report also said that the U.S. ship was unarmed. Somehow I disbelieve this.

Why would we risk such an expensive ship and have it be unarmed. That has to be total B.S.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

The USNS Impeccable sprayed one ship with water from fire hoses to force it away. Despite the force of the water, Chinese crew members stripped to their underwear and continued closing within 25 feet, the Defense Department said.

Stripping down to their underwear

I guess that's the Chinese version of Shock and awe!

So we are all bad azz and have all this military might and we fight them with a water hose ???????????????????????????

That's all we do? that's just weird.