N. Korea warns intercepting 'satellite' will prompt counterstrike

Originally posted by bfitz92

Originally posted by FredT
The issue is the missiles path. If it overflys Japan like a previous test, they should knock it down. Its that simple.

If anything nothing like a war to rev up an economy.

Haha, funny you should say that, Japan has a history of when it sinks into a bad depression.. just declare war and start up a japanese empire , simple as that

war is very profitable for the central banks and is great for the economy, just look at the depression of the 1930's and shortly after that was WW2 and then the economy recovered. Reinhardt believes WW3 is imminent and im not going to argue with him coz he's been right so far.

If war is so profitable , I wonder what the Iraq and Afgan wars have really done for our ecconomy ... Seems to me that a massive banking collapse cant possibly be UN-related to the recent wars. They do cost an awful lot. I think it might be differnet nowadays you know. The only financial gains being made were by btards like Haliburton and Blackwater ..massive numbers being bandied about for ages where those two disgusting paracites are concerned (cut them down, burn them with fire, let none of those filth escape) !

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It seems these 2 wars ruined economy of the countries who participated to it , as the equipment used is really expensive , but few people made a lot of money with the conflicts .
I'm sure that a guy who owns an armament firm doesn't fear the incoming economic collapse

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Well first off I didn't realize you're new so welcome to ATS.
Second since you're new feel free to read all of my posts and links in my profile you'll see and learn alot.
Thanks and again welcome

Originally posted by Asset1911
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It seems these 2 wars ruined economy of the countries who participated to it , as the equipment used is really expensive , but few people made a lot of money with the conflicts .
I'm sure that a guy who owns an armament firm doesn't fear the incoming economic collapse

Well get your facts straight it wasn't the wars although they do cost a lot but greed on wall street that caused the present "GLOBAL" Economic problems. Even the countries that were not involved in conflict are having major problems.

Originally posted by Asset1911
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Heeeere we go again ... Why people who have no arguments to give always make such stupid attacks ?
Your post was very constructive , congratulations

And you should listen THE CITIZEN OF FRANCE MORE OFTEN , cause we don't allow our government to slap us just like you do in America .

And your post was kind of a racist post , I didn't particularly like it .

Soon we'll see who will hide under the bed the first and you'll be surprised

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Correct me if I am wrong but the French system is Socialist is it not? Personally I love France, the coffee is to die for and sitting at a cafe in Marseilles is my favorite pasttime, but.......

The countries that should be being listen to here are simple South Korea and Japan, I really don't want to see my home-soil laid to waste because noone listened.

(Japan's west coast north of Tokyo is a terrible thing to waste)

Originally posted by TrueBrit
If war is so profitable , I wonder what the Iraq and Afgan wars have really done for our ecconomy ... Seems to me that a massive banking collapse cant possibly be UN-related to the recent wars. They do cost an awful lot. I think it might be differnet nowadays you know. The only financial gains being made were by btards like Haliburton and Blackwater ..massive numbers being bandied about for ages where those two disgusting paracites are concerned (cut them down, burn them with fire, let none of those filth escape) !

consider irak and afghanistan... as ww1....translate hate against jew's to hate to the islamites...than ask youreself wat have we learned from the years 1900 / 1950.....

Originally posted by Asset1911


And your post was kind of a racist post , I didn't particularly like it .

Soon we'll see who will hide under the bed the first and you'll be surprised

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Let's not drag racism into his legitimate statements about France also what does any of this have to do with N Korea

North Korea is only a threat to South Korea. That's why they haven't been attacked in 50 years even if they deserve it.

Here's a few things you must consider why NK is a threat.

10.000 artillery pieces, rocket artillery which have at least a 1000 pieces, missiles... and the army is now on high alert. In 2 minutes they could launch over 10.000 artillery shells.

They could level Seoul within an hour. Over 10 million in population, one of the largest city in the world. Imagine that. In an hour, they can kill at least half of that since there's no way that 10 million people would be able to evacuate the city in less than an hour.

And how long would it take for NATO to destroy the NK artillery without nukes? A long time since there's no way to know where it is and it is buried under mountains. And you have to bring a lot of bombers from Japan airbases...

The only way this could be better is if NATO put a deal with China to attack from the north.

news.yahoo.com...

NKorea puts troops on alert, warns of war danger

SEOUL, South Korea – North Korea put its troops on alert and cut the last hot line to Seoul on Monday as the American and South Korean militaries began joint maneuvers. The communist regime warned that even the slightest provocation could trigger war.

The North stressed that provocation would include any attempt to interfere with its impending launch of a satellite into orbit. U.S. and Japanese officials suspect the launch is a cover for a test of a long-range attack missile and have suggested they might move to intercept the rocket.

"Shooting our satellite for peaceful purposes will precisely mean a war," North Korea's military threatened in a statement carried by the official Korean Central News Agency. Any interception attempt will draw "a just, retaliatory strike," it said.

The North has been on a steady retreat from reconciliation since President Lee Myung-bak took office in the South a year ago. After Lee said the North must continue dismantling its nuclear program if it wants aid, Pyongyang cut ties, suspended joint projects and stepped up its belligerence rhetoric.

And the plot thickens.......

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Well I am not sure what you mean here. First, the things I wrote about PRC-NK relations are fairly well known to anyone who is up to date on Asian politics. What I can not prove, of course, is that the PRC is secretly a fan of NK's antics towards the US, Japan, and the ROK (half of the Six-Party Talks group; see news.xinhuanet.com...). That's my only my supposition.

On the other hand, your ref and link to my first ever posting here, about something strange I witnessed is a mystery to me. Are you saying that because I claim to have witnessed something strange in the sky that I am unqualified to join a discussion about this issue? If so, that I find that stranger than the sighting I made last year.

Joint US-ROK exercises are nothing new. In fact, they are way down from the past when Team Spirit used to bring over 100K US troops into Korea. Besides, the exercises do not occur along the border area, but well south by about 100 miles. This means that during the exercises there are less US and ROK soldiers near the NK borders. Any talk about the current exercises being provocative are BS, and just don't hold military sense.

Originally posted by Republican08
Wonder why they are so passionate about sending a Peaceful Satelite up, if there's nothing in it to be worried about there really stressing that it not be intercepted, obviously they could explain "hey guys satelite going up, just stay away", (Oh yeah getting HBO now).

Smells a little fishy to me. But if it's all checked out, I would suggest just let them do it.

N. Korea, needs a serious chill pill.

Still very suspicious of their motives.

North korea has made similar empty threats before. They are known for talking big but not being able to back up there words with the action they claim to be capable of.

Then, because they are a closed nation. they tell the brainwashed citizens that they have succesfully scared off the big bad wolf and have won yet again....no matter what actually happened.

Ever seen a news broadcast where they actually get to go into north korea? Every one refers to kim jung ill as "the great leader" and believes that the US has been torn down to essentially rubbel at the hands of the "almighty north korea"

Bottom line, this is just another hollow threat from North Korea and the whole world knows it.

North Korea wont do anything but flap their gums if there "harmless sattelite" gets taken out, just like always.

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Not quite right. Perhaps from a conventional military perspective, they have the power only to affect those nations in close proximity and the US military presence in the area. However, they have been an active sponsor of terrorism, and were directly responsible for many advances in missile technology in both Iran and Pakistan. Now that may, or may not be a military threat to others - only time will tell.

Why so paranoid? Either they are doing something wrong or they are not.

If countries such as the United States, Japan or South Korea try to intercept the launch, the North Korean military will carry out "a just retaliatory strike operation not only against all the interceptor means involved but against the strongholds" of the countries, it said.
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Its like how Iran says lets have long range Misiles of peace and nuclear power but we hope to see Isreal wiped off the map, oh maybe not because Iranian langauge sounds different when translated or something.

I don't think this video is saying 'peace' while doing the walts and marching like linedancers for the fun of it. Like wise with N Korea it's either a bad thing they are sending up or a good thing, why make a big meal out of it? They can always parade like these people below and say its all for peace.



So who is behaving like The Planet of the Apes? Watch the video and see its symbolic morals and likeness to some of man's insecurities.




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If Mao didn't kick out the Nationalists and the Americans and created nukes, China would be a dozen countries under U.S. control.

N. Korea is trying to gain a foothold.

I agree with FredT, if this missle comes anywhere near another country then that country has the right to percieve a threat to its security and shoot it down. With N. Koreas record (the last launch which went near Japan) I'd say the odds of this missle doing something other than going straight up to space are fairly good.

Originally posted by Foppezao
Something i don't understand, Iran has already launched a satellite or two into orbit [thus an ICBM] with no much fuzz about it[since they're all searching for a stick to hit them]. Now NK does it and Japan wants to intercept it and asks for oblivion. Why? NK can hit Japan with medium maybe short range missiles whats this gonna change about it?


On the other hand, if [hypothetically speaking] Germany keeps testing missiles over my airspace i think we can shoot some down after a while..



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Greetings, actually, the link between launching a satellite and cobbling together a functioning ICBM is not as simple as many people think /with respect/. The major points of difference being:

1. If you're wating to deliver anything at all, you have to have a functioning reentry vehicle, which presents some significant technical challenges.

2. If you need to deliver a nuclear warhead, that's exactly what you need to have - a weaponized nuclear device i.e. something you can actually put on top of a missile and launch. Not a truck-sized test item.

So IMHO, both N.Korea and Iran have some way to go yet. And thank god for that.

In my opinion, the dead giveaway that they're bluffing is the fact that they are North Korea.

North Korea is so fragile and so dependent upon imports that most national functions could be completely disabled from the air. If done, this would most likely result in anarchy, the introduction of Chinese peacekeepers, and ultimately Chinese usurpation of North Korea. That probable result would in turn dramatically stabilize the region and quite possibly facilitate Korean reunification within 50 years.

I suspect that militaries on both sides understand this reality, while the politicians they answer to are less likely to comprehend or accept it. This creates a situation where an incident would initially seem unlikely, but the US Military works very hard to create one, understanding that it's almost a sure win no matter how far it escalates.

The North Koreans are therefore obligated to do everything they can to create doubt in American politicians, to encourage them to resist pressure from our military to intercept the launch.

Originally posted by Nemox42
Im not saying I'm warmonger. But frankly, Kim Jong Ill needs to get put into its place. Alot of military advancements have changed since the korean war. If NK really wants to start something, We could see some a quick war like we did with Iraq, ending in a matter of weeks. Not only do the US have military planes that could just swoop in the darkness of night and destroy all of NK communication, military bases, and infrastructure. Without even setting off a blimp on the radar. The world have already seen how fast and effective the US military is when it comes to invasion tactics. AKA Shock and Awe, baby.

What the U.S should do is remind, Mr Kim Jong Ill, what happen to the last dictator that was in cross hairs of US military forces.

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Shock and awe and a matter of weeks?

8 years and that shock and awe campaigne worked a treat, still there are you?
just a case of sending over a stealth bomber?

Has anyone thought of the possibility of China asking why a sattelite was destroyed.

I wouldn't say it is a case of shock and awe, those bombs have to be paid for and you may find that China stops paing for them, then it's goodbye shock and awe and hello depression.