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Originally posted by one_man24
reply to post by noobfun
as for a question that evolution can't answer, i'll give you three, but i already know what you will say.
1. what forces, outside or inside, constitute the need for a particular creature to change it's genetic makeup?
2. what is the internal mechanism that actually controls the evolutionary process once there is a need for change?
well if you think my answer i .. this isnt evolution then your right
3. where did the first life actually come from?
(i know what you will say to this one, but if "life begets life" is true then this topic has great relevancy when discussing the theory of evolution)
Originally posted by B.A.C.
Thanks for posting that. They all prove my point exactly.
If you say Evolution is both Fact AND Theory. You're wrong. Its a Lie.
1.Theory = explanation for a verifiable observation.
2. Fact = verifiable observation.
Clearly different things.
Fact = Theory? NO
Theory = Fact? NO
Is Evolution a fact? Yes
Is Gravity a fact? Yes
Is The Theory of Gravity a fact? Of course not it's a theory that explains the fact of gravity.
Is the Theory of Evolution a fact? Of course not it's a theory that explains the fact of Evolution.
That's the Lie. Every conspiracy has a Lie or multiple lies or deception.
Originally posted by noobfun
reply to post by melatonin
could be Mel ..
its funny a simple principle like 1 word having 2 different meanings and implications in given situations seem difficult to grasp
i wonder if someone shouts duck he look up and argues there are none an they are in a conspiracy against him right before the golf ball slams into his head and nocks him unconcious
Originally posted by melatonin
They are saying that evolution is both fact and theory.
Originally posted by one_man24
arguments 1, 3, 5, 15, 16, 18, 19, 20, 23, 38, 41, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49
pick the best argument you can find off that site and u2u me ave hijacking the thread
Originally posted by B.A.C.
Originally posted by melatonin
They are saying that evolution is both fact and theory.
A Theory can't be a fact. How can it be both? So the word Theory in Science means both Fact and Theory? This is what you claim? LMAO
Originally posted by B.A.C.
A Theory can't be a fact. How can it be both? So the word Theory in Science means both Fact and Theory? This is what you claim? LMAO
Again, go google "Scientific Fact" and "Scientific Theory".
Until you do that and look the words up and understand that One can't be the Other, so they can't be both.
1 can't equal 2
2 can't equal 1
1 can't equal 2 and 1
2 can't equal 1 and 2
Only 1 = 1
Only 2 = 2
Got it now? If not too bad, you're dense I guess.
Evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts do not go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's, but apples did not suspend themselves in mid-air, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered.
go on admit it your enjoying it really arnt ya
Originally posted by melatonin
It's probably the most idiotic argument I've heard for a while at ATS. Why the hell would scientists want to form a conspiracy to claim the theory as fact.
The thread is almost whammy-like in its conception (you might have come across him). Indeed, so is the dishonest style. Hmmm, hypothesis forms...
Originally posted by melatonin
Originally posted by B.A.C.
A Theory can't be a fact. How can it be both? So the word Theory in Science means both Fact and Theory? This is what you claim? LMAO
Again with the sleight of hand. Who is saying that the theory is fact. They are saying that evolution can be considered both fact and theory. Then they make the distinction clear, using the exact same claims you do.
You even make the same distinction. Evolution as fact, and evolution as theory (theory of evolution).
It's a simple concept. Just like blue can be a colour and negative mood.
Again, go google "Scientific Fact" and "Scientific Theory".
Until you do that and look the words up and understand that One can't be the Other, so they can't be both.
1 can't equal 2
2 can't equal 1
1 can't equal 2 and 1
2 can't equal 1 and 2
Only 1 = 1
Only 2 = 2
Got it now? If not too bad, you're dense I guess.
Whoever said we are talking about maths? Language isn't like maths. Evolution is both 1 and 2 (in fact, probably more when applied outside of science).
Again, support your claim that the vast majority of scientists and evolutionists claim the 'theory of evolution is a fact'. I've seen lots of evidence of people making the claim that evolution is both fact and theory. Just like Gould:
Evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts do not go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's, but apples did not suspend themselves in mid-air, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered.
Now, with your superior intellect (lol) you might notice that Gould is making a very clear distinction between fact and theory. And he claims that evolution can be viewed as both.
What he doesn't say is that the theory of evolution is a fact. Indeed, as noted, he makes the distinction between fact and theory very crystal (and I don't mean a solid structure of ordered atoms/molecules).
The confusion, my dear, is all of your own making. It's not a very clever example of intellectual dishonesty, though, almost as crystal as Gould's distinction is clear.
[edit on 6-3-2009 by melatonin]
becasue it can and your talking nonsense
Originally posted by B.A.C.
Evolution cannot be both a theory and a fact. Why can't you wrap your brain around this?
Originally posted by B.A.C.
Evolution cannot be both a theory and a fact. Why can't you wrap your brain around this?
Evolution = Fact
If Evolution = Theory and Fact. Then Evolution doesn't = Fact
So you say Evolution doesn't equal fact?
You're wrong. Plain and simple.
Originally posted by JPhish
reply to post by B.A.C.
i had my doubts as to how many fish you'd catch with that bait. But damn, it looks like you have your choice of which fish is for dinner.
Originally posted by melatonin
All I'm asking you to do is show this vast cabal of scientists and 'evolutionists' failing to make the distinction stating that 'the theory of evolution is a fact'.
Originally posted by B.A.C.
I don't have to show it. I've provided several examples and sources of Scientists saying that Evolution is a FACT AND a THEORY. It isn't. This is a Lie.
Can I prove the conspiracy? Nope, of course not.
Can I prove Evolution isn't a fact AND a theory? Yup. Read my OP. It is a Fact not a Theory.
Do I think there is a conspiracy? Yup.
Why claim what you know is a Lie? A conspiracy? Maybe. Not sure.
This is a place to talk about conspiracies. Show me how many have been PROVEN on ATS.
Enough said.
deny ignorance
Evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts do not go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's, but apples did not suspend themselves in mid-air, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered.