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Originally posted by noobfun
...becasue you have made an entire thread about a pointless misuse of language that can easily be misunderstood to our creationist/Id believing friends
Originally posted by JPhish
reply to post by noobfun
hmm i think you're overlooking the purpose of this thread Nfun. Check out my last post. I might be wrong and BAC can let me know if i am. But i think i've elucidated his concerns.
Originally posted by Daniem
reply to post by B.A.C.
Why dont you just say "The fact of evolution is a not a theory"?? Because its an idiotic unneccasary thing to say. If i wanna be difficult like you, then i could ask which of the theories you are reffering to? And what evolution are you talking about.. biological?
Brainwashed? By? Every book made on the subject? By all the teachers and scientists? I suppose i brainwashed myself to believe in this stuff. And since most people believe in this, then they are brainwashed too. My, my, my..You need help my friend. Or no, forgive me.. WE need help. You're the only normal, smart person out there.
How bout you get serious, as ive seen your posts here on ATS lately, and i imagine you're sitting there laughing, from all the stuff you make up.
Your the perfect of example of those type of people that say:
war is peace
no YOU'VE been brainwashed
you cant prove it doesnt exist.. so its logical to believe it DOES exist
etc
THAT IS THE CONSPIRACY. People living in BACKWARDS LAND. The way they think is staggeringly ignorant. Looking forward to your next contribution to this site.. im sure it'll be fantastic.
Let this be the end of this thread
Originally posted by B.A.C.
There you go again.
I'm NOT playing word games. You are. Yes, it's all about semantics. Look at the controversy from my simple statement.
Listen closely now:
Is Evolution a verifiable observable fact? Yup.
Is Gravity a verifiable observable fact? Yup
Is the Theory of Gravity a fact. Nope
Is the Theory of Evolution a fact. Nope
Theories EXPLAIN facts.
You're proof of the conspiracy. You have blinders on and can't see just how simple my statement is.
[edit on 6-3-2009 by B.A.C.]
Originally posted by B.A.C.
I'm making sure it won't be misunderstood. I'm making sure with the TRUTH.
The Theory of Evolution is not a fact. I've proved it isn't. Why hide from that TRUTH? In fact I can quote you saying it.
Cheers.
Originally posted by alkali
reply to post by B.A.C.
So this entire thread is over semantics because people say a theory is a fact when you know well that they're referring to evolution being a fact and not the theory? Are you kidding?
Yes, a theory is not a fact. Theories explain facts. No one disputes that. The dispute is whether evolution is or is not occurs. If that's all this thread was over it should be removed.
No one cares about the semantics, they care about the meaning of what they're trying to say. If you know the point they're making don't try to say they're wrong. You know what they're trying to say.
We know a theory is not a fact. That doesn't make sense. You're right. There is no conspiracy.
Originally posted by noobfun
Originally posted by B.A.C.
I'm making sure it won't be misunderstood. I'm making sure with the TRUTH.
The Theory of Evolution is not a fact. I've proved it isn't. Why hide from that TRUTH? In fact I can quote you saying it.
Cheers.
but the truth is alo that evolution has been seen in action, tested proded measured
but still many people say it not the truth its a lie,
the truth is there is no evidence for god but earlier you stated it is a fact of his/her/it existance
the truth isnt subjective, the ones we agree with are,
its the truth the universe is expanding
the truth the earth is over 4.2 billion years old (worlds oldest known rock)
its the truth that breaking a mirror wont bring you bad luck
the truth that a bunch of stars 150 million light years dont wont and couldnt effect if your going to meet the love of your life tommorrow or have a lucky day
the truth the world is sphericle
wouldnt take much looking around to find people who dont agree those truths are truths
i agree theres a greying of the terms but as ive aid i think it more a case of poor language use rather then a big conspiracy
Originally posted by JPhish
There is a "conspiracy" to make the word "theory" synonymous with "fact", particularly in relation to evolutionary theory. I see it all the time, in youtube videos, books, forums, the works. But the plot relies more on the graying of terms to give evolutionary theory an infallible appearance, than it does the planning and cooperation of it's zealots.
Originally posted by alkali
reply to post by B.A.C.
I think it takes 5 pages for someone to admit it because they're expecting you to present a conspiracy, something a bit more complicated than semantics. People read into what you say and over complicate it because they expect something complicated. They don't expect arguments on how to properly say things. This isn't a conspiracy. We know a theory is a not a fact. When someone says, "the theory of evolution is a fact" you know what they mean, they just didn't say it correctly. You know they mean evolution is a fact, that evolution occurs.
You're being difficult on purpose. Stop.
As you know from the u2u, I'm a Christian. How could you ever expect to win someone to Christ by being so hard to get a long with? I'd hate to be on the receiving end of your attempt to witness.
Originally posted by B.A.C.
No, it's the main argument used by Evolutionists. There are 35 pages of it in another thread in this section as proof.
originally posted by Andre
Something being a theory is not mutually exclusive for it to be a fact. Evolution is both a theory and a fact, for example the theory of gravity is a theory and is also a scientific law, and a fact. Another important element of the theory is that it is falsifiable - that it can be proven wrong. That is why pseudo religious dogma theories: creation and Intelligent Design are not actual scientific theoris and can never be because they are not falsifiable. You can not dispove god did it, the same way you can disprove the theory of evolution quite easily by having fossils out of order.