Don't let them tell you that "The Theory of Evolution" is a fact.

Right, you bascly made a thread to say that HEY people.. theory is not fact? Facts is xxxxx and theory is yyyyy.. therefore they are not the same, ergo theory isnt a fact. I thought of that when i read this.. you basicly made a funny. Troll.

Originally posted by Daniem
you basicly made a funny. Troll.

YEA TROLL!

I heart it when mods are sleepy.

Originally posted by Daniem
Right, you bascly made a thread to say that HEY people.. theory is not fact? Facts is xxxxx and theory is yyyyy.. therefore they are not the same, ergo theory isnt a fact. I thought of that when i read this.. you basicly made a funny. Troll.

Wrong. Not a troll.

Why does the truth make you mad?

A theory is not a fact. This makes you mad?

That's all I've said. It's the truth.



[edit on 6-3-2009 by B.A.C.]

Originally posted by B.A.C.
Why does the truth make you mad?

When did we start dating?

GIT OUT MAH HEAD BIOTCH!

Originally posted by Screed

Originally posted by Daniem
you basicly made a funny. Troll.

YEA TROLL!

I heart it when mods are sleepy.

Again, the only statement I've made is "a theory is not a fact". One statement.

Wow that's outrageous! It's truth.

Cheers.

reply to post by B.A.C.


Oh im not mad at all. Weird to mean that it is mysterious that Theory isnt fact. What is the point to this except to troll? This doesnt belong in this forum i think.

And you even flagged this..

"This forum is dedicated to the discussion of the organized conspiracy to influence science education through the introduction of creationism and other non-scientific origin concepts."

[edit on 6-3-2009 by Daniem]

Originally posted by Daniem
reply to post by B.A.C.

 

Oh im not mad at all. Weird to mean that it is mysterious that Theory isnt fact. What is the point to this except to troll? This doesnt belong in this forum i think.

"This forum is dedicated to the discussion of the organized conspiracy to influence science education through the introduction of creationism and other non-scientific origin concepts."

[edit on 6-3-2009 by Daniem]

I say there is an "organized conspiracy to influence science education by saying that The Theory of Evolution is a fact".

Thanks for the quote. I'm giving people an education in science.

deny ignorance

reply to post by B.A.C.


Good, you changed headline. So tell me, who says the "theory of evolution is fact"? Who is conspiring?

Scientists say that EVOLUTION IS A FACT AND A THEORY.

en.wikipedia.org...

"This statement arises because "evolution" is used in two ways. First, the "fact of evolution" refers to the observed changes in populations of organisms over time, which are known to have occurred. Second, the "theory of evolution" refers to the modern evolutionary synthesis, which is the current scientific explanation of how these changes occur."

You people are hilarious . . . if what BAC stated in the OP was so obvious, why did you need 3 pages to understand???

It was apparent to me from the start that BAC created this thread as a trap for the evolutionary zealots on this site. Most of you took the bait, which has proven foolish.

admit when you're wrong.

Originally posted by B.A.C.
I say there is an "organized conspiracy to influence science education by saying that The Theory of Evolution is a fact".

Thanks for the quote. I'm giving people an education in science.

deny ignorance

sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

[edit on 3/6/2009 by JPhish]

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He has changed the headline, and now this thread has left what it first was: to understand the words theory, fact and evolution, to now becoming a thread about there beeing an organized conspiracy to teach theory as fact!? Something he has provided NO proof of, no links, nothing except his OWN statement: "The theory of evolution" is not a fact.

In fact the links he gave to describe those words are what the scientists themself agree on. So they aren't the conspirators.

His theory is based on what? Just the fact that he thinks there is a conspiracy.. or feels it. But who says the theory is fact??? I dont get this guy.

[edit on 6-3-2009 by Daniem]

Originally posted by B.A.C.
I say there is an "organized conspiracy to influence science education by saying that The Theory of Evolution is a fact".

Thanks for the quote. I'm giving people an education in science.

deny ignorance

deffintion ..conspiracy ..

A conspiracy theory alleges a coordinated group is, or was, secretly working to commit illegal or wrongful actions, including attempting to hide the existence of the group and its activities. In notable cases the hypothesis contradicts what was, or is, represented by the mainstream explanation for historical or current events

which part is illegal? none
which part is secret? none there plenty of book written about it
which group is hidden? the scientific body arnt seretive about evolution bieng the only working explenation that accounts for all the facts and they wear big white lab coats ..hardly conducive to hiding

wow lets all play word games with wiki deffinition ...

and yes while the op is word smithing that fact and theory do not mean the same thing, the theory of evolution is both fact an theory

most important facts

1)everything dies
2)everything breeds with variance
3)anything unsuited to it enviroment has more chance of dying before breeding

those are the 3 fundamental facts of evolutionary thoery, they are also the three fundamental tenats of living organisms,

those are the facts of evolution that the thoery of evolution explain in greater detail

the facts are declared ad hoc but they are both facts and without anyone of them the theory of evolution would crumple and die

shall we play a game?

its the fact or theory game, you have to say if they are fact or theory
and dont forget your deffintions

A "Theory" is a plausible way of explaining verifiable observations (facts). en.wikipedia.org... That was simple wasn't it?

A "Fact" is a verifiable observation. en.wikipedia.org... Another simple one.

but bearing in mind we are talking about cinetific theories then when we use the term theory we hould be using a correct deffintion, which means going slightly beyoind it just bieng plausable

A scientific theory or law represents an hypothesis, or a group of related hypotheses, which has been confirmed through repeated experimental tests. Theories in physics are often formulated in terms of a few concepts and equations, which are identified with "laws of nature," suggesting their universal applicability. Accepted scientific theories and laws become part of our understanding of the universe and the basis for exploring less well-understood areas of knowledge

not only mut it be plausable it mut be accurate account for all the evidence available and make accurate predictions

water is blue
the atmosphere isnt
the moon goes around the earth
the earth goes around the sun
bird wings generate lift
the bible is the word of god
the bible is written by man
god exists
jesus died for our sins
evolution happens
birds lay eggs
things fall down

and then next we shall explore the differance between a scietific thoery an the general use term

becasue as you will have noticed some fit only your deffintion of theory while some fit both, as my deffintiuon requires evience then your deffinition i more akin to a scientific hypothesis
[edit on 6/3/09 by noobfun]

[edit on 6/3/09 by noobfun]

Originally posted by B.A.C.
I say there is an "organized conspiracy to influence science education by saying that The Theory of Evolution is a fact".

I can PROVE that "The Theory of Evolution" is NOT a fact.

No more, no less.

Let's start with some science.

I'll define "Theory" and I'll define "Fact" scientifically and I'll do it in a very easy to understand way.

A "Theory" is a plausible way of explaining verifiable observations (facts). en.wikipedia.org... That was simple wasn't it?

A "Fact" is a verifiable observation. en.wikipedia.org... Another simple one.

Now the next time you hear someone say The Theory of Evolution is a fact, you can say NO it isn't and prove it.

A Theory is not a Fact. A Theory explains Facts.

deny ignorance



[edit on 6-3-2009 by B.A.C.]

Now you're just talking semantics. Of course, the theory of evolution is not a fact. A theory, by definition, explains facts as you pointed out. So lets change the way we say it a bit to make you happy.

Evolution is a fact. The theory of of evolution is an attempt to explain why things evolve. Regardless of how many petty arguments you make, evolution will still exist whether you like it or not. If you don't want the theory to exist, prove it wrong. I am 100% confident that you can't.

Would you say gravity is not a fact? Go jump out of a tree and test that. You'll hit the ground every time.

Quit trying to play word games. Your arguments have become ridiculous.

I believe in God,But i also believe in evolution.

I dont believe in all that man teaches. Like i dont believe that evolution can happen without matter(Time). Evolution cant create or evolve out of nothing.

Evolution needs time, matter and energy(cause) to evolve or change.

When scientist talk about evolution they always talk about matter particles,bacteria,proteins or mutations and so on. But in the end where did these things come from that the scientists use to explain evolution.

Evolution cant create something out of nothing.

Originally posted by alkali

Originally posted by B.A.C.
I say there is an "organized conspiracy to influence science education by saying that The Theory of Evolution is a fact".

I can PROVE that "The Theory of Evolution" is NOT a fact.

No more, no less.

Let's start with some science.

I'll define "Theory" and I'll define "Fact" scientifically and I'll do it in a very easy to understand way.

A "Theory" is a plausible way of explaining verifiable observations (facts). en.wikipedia.org... That was simple wasn't it?

A "Fact" is a verifiable observation. en.wikipedia.org... Another simple one.

Now the next time you hear someone say The Theory of Evolution is a fact, you can say NO it isn't and prove it.

A Theory is not a Fact. A Theory explains Facts.

deny ignorance



[edit on 6-3-2009 by B.A.C.]

Now you're just talking semantics. Of course, the theory of evolution is not a fact. A theory, by definition, explains facts as you pointed out. So lets change the way we say it a bit to make you happy.

Evolution is a fact. The theory of of evolution is an attempt to explain why things evolve. Regardless of how many petty arguments you make, evolution will still exist whether you like it or not. If you don't want the theory to exist, prove it wrong. I am 100% confident that you can't.

Would you say gravity is not a fact? Go jump out of a tree and test that. You'll hit the ground every time.

Quit trying to play word games. Your arguments have become ridiculous.

There you go again.

I'm NOT playing word games. You are. Yes, it's all about semantics. Look at the controversy from my simple statement.

Listen closely now:

Is Evolution a verifiable observable fact? Yup.

Is Gravity a verifiable observable fact? Yup

Is the Theory of Gravity a fact. Nope

Is the Theory of Evolution a fact. Nope

Theories EXPLAIN facts.

You're proof of the conspiracy. You have blinders on and can't see just how simple my statement is.


[edit on 6-3-2009 by B.A.C.]

reply to post by noobfun


Look at my post above.

You can show me 10 billion facts (verifiable observations).

It doesn't change it. No matter what kind of Theory.

BTW - the quote I used to define my conspiracy is ATS's definition. If thats good enough for you.







[edit on 6-3-2009 by B.A.C.]

Originally posted by B.A.C.
reply to post by noobfun

 

Look at my post above.

You can show me 10 billion facts (verifiable observations).

It doesn't change it. No matter what kind of Theory.

thank you for ..highlighting the pointlene of this entire thread

evolution is a fact
the theory of evolution isnt a fact

but evolution happens becasue its a fact, and the thoery of evolution explains what happens

congratulations on a job well done

thats not a conspiracy it an assanine word play with no point, so the only real conclusion we can draw from this is that when someone say

'the thoery of evolution is a fact'

rather then being incorret its poor use in language in the same way

'i cant see anything' is poor language usage

they can see many things just not what they are looking for

so evolution is a fact, the theory of evolution is a fact through poor language usage

so where is the conspiracy?

poor terminology is not grounds for a conspiracy, else everyone running around posting 'its only a theory' would be a conpiracy .. not just poor education of the scientific method on display parroted verbatim like some mystical spell to make the evil facts go away

and that why an accurate deffintion of scientific theory was added to ut that sillyness off before it started

A conspiracy is a co-operation, often thought of as motivated by aggressive ends and conducted in secret. Conspiracies happen on all scales and in all kinds of social contexts. One example of a non-aggressive, but secret, conspiracy may be a family who gets up early to surprise a family member with breakfast in bed on his or her birthday.

lets explore tinwiki's deffinition then

so is it a secret agreement? or is it simple language misuse?

im willing to bet for 99.9% its language missuse, not becasue its an agreed tratergy to be withheld from anyone in perticular, it either a lack of understanding or poor choice of wording which we are all guilty of on occasion

this thread and its topic has no more worth then an equally valid and equally as pointless thread "dont let them tell you 'evolution' is only a theory"

your relying on terminoligy and poor language use to somehow generate a conspiracy that is neither hidden or a secretive agreement, an to show just how dogmatic evolutionists are .. people who are dogmatic enough to occasionaly make use of poor language... as do we all








[edit on 6/3/09 by noobfun]

Originally posted by noobfun

Originally posted by B.A.C.
reply to post by noobfun

 

Look at my post above.

You can show me 10 billion facts (verifiable observations).

It doesn't change it. No matter what kind of Theory.

thank you for ..highlighting the pointlene of this entire thread

evolution is a fact
the theory of evolution isnt a fact

but evolution happens becasue its a fact, and the thoery of evolution explains what happens

congratulations on a job well done

thats not a conspiracy it an assanine word play with no point, so the only real conclusion we can draw from this is that when someone say

'the thoery of evolution is a fact'

rather then being incorret its poor use in language in the same way

'i cant see anything' is poor language usage

they can see many things just not what they are looking for

so evolution is a fact, the theory of evolution is a fact through poor language usage

so where is the conspiracy?

poor terminology is not grounds for a conspiracy, else everyone running around posting 'its only a theory' would be a conpiracy .. not just poor education of the scientific method on display parroted verbatim like some mystical spell to make the evil facts go away

and that why an accurate deffintion of scientific theory was added to ut that sillyness off before it started

A conspiracy is a co-operation, often thought of as motivated by aggressive ends and conducted in secret. Conspiracies happen on all scales and in all kinds of social contexts. One example of a non-aggressive, but secret, conspiracy may be a family who gets up early to surprise a family member with breakfast in bed on his or her birthday.

lets explore tinwiki's deffinition then

so is it a secret agreement? or is it simple language misuse?

im willing to bet for 99.9% its language missuse, not becasue its an agreed tratergy to be withheld from anyone in perticular, it either a lack of understanding or poor choice of wording which we are all guilty of on occasion

[edit on 6/3/09 by noobfun]

How long did it take you to understand my very simple statement? Why did it take you that long? Go back and read my posts, it is all quite clear. I've only stated ONE point.

Why the big argument? Why are you trying to prove evolution to me? I say Evolution is fact. Why do you keep getting mixed up about my statement, "The Theory of Evolution is not a fact". I know why. It's a conspiracy and you're a part of it no matter what you think. Your own actions prove it.

Tell me The Theory of Evolution is not a fact. I wanna hear you say this BASIC and PROVABLE truth. You'll never do it even though I proved it to you. Because you "believe" it is.

If someone could PROVE to me that God was not fact. I'd have to admit it. I'd be big enough to admit it.

You've been brainwashed.

Edit: I now see that your post above DOES say The Theory of Evolution isn't a fact. You are the first person to admit this on this thread. How many pages of arguing did that take? 4? One down a couple billion Evolutionists to go! Thanks for admitting it


[edit on 6-3-2009 by B.A.C.]

Originally posted by Daniem
reply to post by JPhish

 

He has changed the headline, and now this thread has left what it first was: to understand the words theory, fact and evolution, to now becoming a thread about there beeing an organized conspiracy to teach theory as fact!? Something he has provided NO proof of, no links, nothing except his OWN statement: "The theory of evolution" is not a fact.

There is a "conspiracy" to make the word "theory" synonymous with "fact", particularly in relation to evolutionary theory. I see it all the time, in youtube videos, books, forums, the works. But the plot relies more on the graying of terms to give evolutionary theory an infallible appearance, than it does the planning and cooperation of it's zealots. It simply falls into place because people naturally want to render their belief systems impenetrable. Problem is, science is not suppose to have belief systems. Science is suppose to be the pursuit of knowledge, not the collection of it.

His theory is based on what? Just the fact that he thinks there is a conspiracy.. or feels it. But who says the theory is fact??? I don't get this guy.

Whether it is a conspiracy or not is questionable, but i certainly see it happening. He's not saying it's a fact, and neither would i.

[edit on 3/6/2009 by JPhish]

Originally posted by B.A.C.

How long did it take you to understand my very simple statement? Why did it take you that long? Go back and read my posts, it is all quite clear. I've only stated ONE point.

nope you have stated two

1) ToE is not a fact
2) theres a conpiracy to ay it is

Why the big argument?

becasue you have made an entire thread about a pointless misuse of language that can easily be misunderstood to our creationist/Id believing friends

and then tried to claim it as a conspiracy, which it clearly isnt by any deffintion of consipracy you care to present

Why are you trying to prove evolution to me?

i am not

i am showing that a simple misuse of terminology is not a conspiracy or infact wrong, other then bieng a simple slip of the tounge

Why do you keep getting mixed up about my statement, "The Theory of Evolution is not a fact". I know why. It's a conspiracy and you're a part of it no matter what you think. Your own actions prove it.

so anyone who fail to agree with everything you say is part of the consipracy meaning i am part of a secret agreement?

evolution is a fact, the theory of evolution is not a fact its a tested and accurate explenation of the facts an what those facts mean

on this we agree, on a conspiracy charge we dont

Tell me The Theory of Evolution is not a fact. I wanna hear you say this BASIC and PROVABLE truth. You'll never do it even though I proved it to you. Because you "believe" it is.

i will never do it except i already have above in this post and in my above posts as well

evolution is a fact

the theory of evolution is not a fact it is an explenation of the facts that has been tested rigerously has been able to make accurate predictions proving its self to be an accurate explenation that accounts for all the fact

there look i did it again

and still no conspiracy

If someone could PROVE to me that God was not fact. I'd have to admit it. I'd be big enough to admit it.

yaya for logial fallacy

negative proof there me old bean,

God cannot be a fact by the deffinitons you have given else god would not be supernatural he/she/it wwould be natural thereby science would be able to observe god in action, poke prod measure and estimate thing about god

you dont prove facts, facts exist and are there for all to see

god has not been observed or the actions of god have not been observed, god is not a fact, god could be a theory as he/she/it is an explenation of things but not a scientific theory like evolution as god hasnt been tested rigerously and used to make accurate very specific predictions, so in scientific terms god is an hypothesis

which i why i put in the fact or theory game, if your going to subject somthing to your deffintions then your should also subject everything to them that thoe deffintiioon are relavant for

You've been brainwashed.

and your using selective representation to argue your case, then switching that off to make a statement that flys in the face of your previous comments

as jphish will probabily agree im happy to take a critical and analytical look at many things (we once spent 6 pages i think it was trying to work out problems in flat earth models to ee how viable they really were to match the facts) but i will insist on the same stringent methods bieng used on all possible explenations not just the ones i dont like

so evolution i an observed fact, an the theory of evolution is an explenation of those facts

god i not an observed fact, but a theoretical(realitically a hypothetical) explenation of all the worlds facts

show me a way we can observe directly or indirectly go or it actions angod will become a fact, until then its a hypothesis

so it will not be for us to prove god is or is not a fact, your are making that claim the burden of evidence lies with you, as the burden of evidence also lies with you to prove god is more then a simple unproven untested hypothesis



[edit on 6/3/09 by noobfun]

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hmm i think you're overlooking the purpose of this thread Nfun. Check out my last post. I might be wrong and BAC can let me know if i am. But i think i've elucidated his concerns.