Will ex-military 'Patriots' form a more dangerous kind of militias? (Video)

Originally posted by SmittyPuffs
Whats your history with the Marines? Rank? Victor Unit? MOS?

Just curiouse.

I always had a really good tan and the brass used to love to watch us shoot. Danm, the good ol days.

How about you? You act like I am the enemy here. I think I am on your side.

Eye of Eagle

Originally posted by UmbraSumus
A lot has changed in a few days.

I saw a thread closed because somebody wanted to get everyone to turn there flags up-side down.

The timing of this call to arms has more to do with discontent that the economy is tanking- than with infringements on liberties , as previous posters have stated , where were these "champions" whilst George Bush and Co. went to town on your constitution ?

IMHO. Seems like no one gave a crap as long as they had a car / job/ big screen T.V etc etc etc ......

Where was I with the Bush admin? Well, I wasn't on this site, but I was saying the same thing then. Did I vote for Bush? nope. Did I vote for Obama? nope. Did I vote for McCain? nope.

Make sure you point your comments at someone in the future, because I for one have been true to what I have been saying since before Obama was even in the Senate. I speak out on both major parties. I called people to protest and prepare after the Patriot Act was passed.

Bush did far more than Obama has done so far to destroy the US Constitution. This has been the theme of both parties for 80 years.

As somone who just got out of the Marine Corps last year, I for one don't think the military (Marine Corps anyways), would turn on the common citizens, especially unarmed ones. Riots and violence are diffrent, they certainly would react to that to protect everyone else. I don't think a armed revolution would work here anymore, you will never get enough people to join in it, unless things go ALOT worse, say the 2nd admedment is thrown out, unemployment is 30-50%,etc.
Eagle, whats with all the cryptics man? If you were in the military like you said you were you should understand the importnace of being clear...

That vid about the police and National Guard taking the guns and all in New Orleans after Katrina, I hadn't ever seen that before (I was in Iraq during the Katrina crisis), that kinda scares me! They had to "persuay" people to leave their homes, since when is busting a door down and clearing a house with M4's drawn just persuasian?? (Sorry, my spelling isn't too good I suppose!).

Anyways, I certainly don't advocate violence, but if it ever came down to military personal facing down unarmed civilions, most miltary that I know would shoot the person giving orders to kill civies before they'd ever do that.
Semper Fi! Ohrahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

What, can't the normal non-military citizen tap two in the chest and one in the head at 100 yards then go drink a beer too?

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
Again, you "patriots" claim to "defend" the Constiution but you know NOTHING about it.

That wacko in the video mentions militia in the Constiution. Does he realize that "militia" refers to the military, not some private militia? Does he realize that the standing military that he is wearing the uniform of in the video is an outgrwoth of that militia? Looks like somebody needs to both read and study the Constitution.

And I'm hearing accusation of crimes that have not even been committed. Go ahead, raise your arms and start a war. We will defeat you. You are immoral and hypocritical.

That "Marine" was right about one thing - our worst enemies are not in some faraway land. They are on our own soil. They are the man seen in the video. They are the Timothy McVeighs and Eric Robert Rudolphs of this country.

EDIT: I own a gun. I speak freely and other freely object to what I say. I have not had my rights stripped in any way.

[edit on 6-3-2009 by sweatmonicaIdo]

Indeed - "someone" DOES need to "read and study" the constitution. Get back to me when your finished, then we can have an intelligent discussion on the matter. Based on your post, you haven't a clue as to what it says right now.

As far as the "we will defeat you" part goes, I'm not sure who this "we" you speak of is, but I'm still waiting for the promised defeat, and this is the second time your collective "we" has promised it. Please don't keep us waiting too long, "we" might fall asleep or something.

nenothtu out

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo

Originally posted by Armour For Victor
So who is the real threat here?

Those who spread falsehoods and fear about imagined threats, who spread false rhetoric, and those who are willing to use violence in order to shape society as they see fit.

Either you've forgotten that this nation was BORN in blood and violence, or you're referring to Adams, Jefferson, Washington, et al as threats to the nation they founded and formed. Which is it? Please clarify.

nenothtu out

reply to post by JJRichey


I believe you are right and I think people forget the veterans and serving soldiers are Americans and humans too. And just because someone served does not mean they have no sense of right and wrong. I don't think the mentality of "orders are orders" would play out if those orders were to imprison or kill your fellow countrymen.

Originally posted by Darky6K

The agencies on our side? I can't see DHS, CIA or NSA being with us if # hits the fan, sorry.

Another thing I just thought of-does this remind anyone else of a potential Business Plot of 1933? Replace these vets with WW1 vets who fight with Wall Street execs who want more power and control, especially when talks of regulating their abuses of power are going on now, anyone else see it as a possible repeat, that TPTB MAY be trying this tactic again as many in the US don't even know what the Business Plot was?

Keep in mind, those guys wanted to side with Germany.

1933 plot? What are you kidding Me?
Sorry to say, but there is no money behind any of this.
Everyone is just a broke Di#k average joe getting pissed off when they wake up and find they have been living a lie for 96 years.............

Originally posted by RetsehAnd so the vilification of the word "patriot" begins, the next phase involves portraying the American flag as a racist symbol.

It worked when the socialists were taking control of the UK, so I'm sure they want to try it here too.

It's fascinating watching so many of you be so easily manipulated by the MSM.

Be sure and watch for them to include the racist angle as this progresses, classic population manipulation.

Well, how do you explain the fact that the small minorities of populists, libertarians and "left-wingers" were shouted down in the rare cases they spoke up since the Liebold-stolen election of 7 November 2000?


And where, where, where were you Glenn Beck, eight years ago? You've lost any credibility with me long ago.

Originally posted by Helmkat...Lets just take up arms and overthrow the government...Peaceful protest is SO overrated...

Another domestic terrorist under the laws "Republican" Congresscritters passed (often before copies of the proposed laws were even printed at least if not written) and Führer Bush signed.

Originally posted by Darky6K You guys realize this movement is probably being used as a front by the 13 Bloodlines to stir up chaos and civil strife so the entire world falls and will demand a NWO to save them, right?

Well, if around 30% of "Americans" take the bait (the same ones who supported Bush, shouted at Kerry to concede, and believe the official 9/11 story), it tells me something about there nature and what they would do if they succeed in either armed revolution or community-support based resistance along the lines of what Doomsday 2029 www.abovetopsecret.com... and many others are proposing.

Do you really want a decentralized system and Constitutional government with people like that? Can you even have a Constitutional government with people like that? Those militiamen didn't rebel against Bush. Real patriots are isolationists.

In a country where about 30% of the population are closet fascists, another 17% are border-line fascists and the remaining 53% can be shouted down and forced to forfeit their legitimately elected Presidential candidate (to the extent that any election since George Washington is legit due to the Party-affiliation nature of elections since then), it is becoming clear to me that maybe an oppressive world government is the right thing.

Originally posted by AmenStopGuys we need to keep this country together. They want us to break up the country into individual states. Then they can bring the Amero as the currency for the NAU.

They've already succeeded in collapsing the infrastructure, social fabric and financial system.

Shake things up. There's nothing to lose now.

Originally posted by spec2To convince all the people that the Constitution is obliterated is not going to engender a majority passion for rebellion. Instead this rebellion would be a down right Civil War, which WILL kill your mother and grandmother.

Convincing your fellow citizens that you attacked a martial law patrol because 9/11 was an inside job, and not because the economic collapse, is an even harder sell.

Except that 30% of the population and probably at least 50% of the military will be on the side of fascists who are for Bush (R) brand imperialism, not isolationism. What this country needs is a U.N. invasion if it doesn’t implode and become less dangerous with Canadian and Mexican electorates if another state does form.

Originally posted by EYEOFEAGLEOur Military is not and will not turn on the American People. Our military is here to protect us and to defend the U.S. Constitution and this country.

1) Our military will turn on either 30-47% of the population or 53-70% of the population (the range is because of the swing votes). That is what it is coming down to. Okay, there is the few percent who are independents, but they socially and politically don't count so like everyone else I'll just ignore them.

2) The Constitution was dead from the beginning. Slavery was always an illegal practice -- in American, United Kingdom, and the Roman Empire. medicolegal.tripod.com... Then there was The Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798, etc., etc., etc.

3) This country is deliberately being crashed and made to suffer the same fate as the U.S.S.R.

Originally posted by Albertarocks...It matters not whether McCain or Obama won the election. The offshore rulers over Washington owned all the horses in the race. As always, they had it set up that they win no matter which candidate took the presidency. And in this case, they certainly wanted it to be Obama, so they engineered things to make sure it was Obama. How did they do that? Enter Sarah Palin. What a perfect plan to ensure the American voters wouldn't vote for McCain.

You're right... during the Bush presidency would have been a logical time for "all American people" to re-take their country, dissolve the current federal government and re-assert the American constitution to its fullest extent...

Exactly.

Originally posted by AlbertarocksYou might think that the American people might not be quite as pissed today, had McCain won. But I assure you, McCain is just as capable of following orders and reading from the script as Obama is. Therefore, had McCain won the election... things would be exactly the same as they are today and the American people would be exactly as pissed off as they are right now.

That I doubt.



And finally I voted "for" (protest) Nader in 2000 and 2008.

In 2004, there was a candidate I actually liked: David Cobb.

Originally posted by EYEOFEAGLE

Originally posted by SmittyPuffs
Whats your history with the Marines? Rank? Victor Unit? MOS?

Just curiouse.

I always had a really good tan and the brass used to love to watch us shoot. Danm, the good ol days.

How about you? You act like I am the enemy here. I think I am on your side.

Eye of Eagle

No no no. no enemy. I just dont entirely understand what you're getting at.


From what you said though you sound like either a pig or a hog? Which one?

Im a piglett myself right now, waiting for a slot to open up in the basic school.

Originally posted by gnosis111
reply to post by JJRichey

 

I believe you are right and I think people forget the veterans and serving soldiers are Americans and humans too. And just because someone served does not mean they have no sense of right and wrong. I don't think the mentality of "orders are orders" would play out if those orders were to imprison or kill your fellow countrymen.

Thats right, thanks. Come on people, do you REALLY think the majority of our fighting forces would turn on its own people, when it is a part of that same said people? Of course not! Sure, a few holdouts maybe, but really, the majority of our military is made up of 18-21 year old kids. I'm tired of all the people saying "ohh, gee they all get brainwashed in boot camp", BULL! If anyone is "brainwashed" in bootcamp its because they either have preconceived notions before they ever got there or because they simply can't think for themselves and take the whole "killer" mindset a little too seriously and beyond what its supposed to be. Those of us that were in long enough to know more about how the miltary works know all about ROE's and illegal orders, CLEARLY a order to fire on unarmed civilans, or even armed civilans that are acting in a non-threatning manner, would be a very direct violation of the UCMJ, and therefore any soldier so ordered would have no obligation to carry out those orders, and in fact if they did carry them out would be subject to punishment for carrying out what they know is unlawful. Look at the cases of troops firing on civilan Iraqis if you need an example.

As a side note, I think if such a order was issued the very great majority would just say, "ah, no Sir". And if a soldier did try to carry them out, he'd probably find himself fraged pretty quick. How much diffrent do you think that we (the military enlisted) are from everybody else? We're not, we just have a diffrent more dangerus job then most.

reply to post by JJRichey


You, Common Good, and hastobemoretolife are right on as far as I'm concerned. And that's from a vet from the 1960's.


To those that regard the active military or the National Guard as being "the militia", I respectfully disagree:

From: UNITED STATES v. MILLER, 307 U.S. 174 (1939)

"The signification attributed to the term Militia appears from the debates in the Convention, the history and legislation of Colonies and States, and the writings of approved commentators. These show plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. 'A body of citizens enrolled for military discipline.' And further, that ordinarily when called for service these men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.

(That means you, with an AR-15, protective armor, kevlar helmet, and hopefully a side arm, just in case)


GENERAL COMMENTS:

This country has among citizens a minimum of 25 million veterans who are the mothers, fathers, grandmothers, grandfathers, brothers, sisters, husbands, wives, cousins, and friends of current members of our armed forces on active duty. Probably 10 vets per each active duty personel. (I like that ratio!!!!)

Do folks really believe active duty American Armed Forces personel will turn on their families and their friends (or allow other to )? I doubt it myself. Veterans probably concern TPTB much more than the posters on this site. Vet's have certain traning and abilities civies are not exposed to.

As I have said before, we vets may be older, slower, greyer, chubbier, and not as mind sharp as someone in their 20's. But the one thing I have not lost is my accuracy with firearms. And that is probably true with many vet's.

While many of you spend your free time at a keyboard, watching TV, or "whatever", I spend some of my time at the range and field hunt pheasants, in season, just to stay on top of "my game". I'm shooting all the time!! My hunting partners are all vets and will side with "we the people". If one of us can see you, you're in the bag. 200-300 yards out, easy money. That's the kind of support you're going to need!!

And about mind-numbed robots, how about one General Smedley Butler!!

Common Good - Great posts!!!!! (Are you sure your name is not Common Sense, not Common Good?)

reply to post by Amabo Kcarab
You registered the same day you posted.

2nd line.

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So what?!??

I didn't register until I wanted to post.
I read for reference and entertainment for over 6 months though.

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Thank you. I get real tired of these people trying to twist this around.

2nd

reply to post by EYEOFEAGLE


Eagle i apologize if anything in my post offended you. I have nothing but respect for anyone who has serverd our country. For that i thank you. The night i posted, i had had a few beers and was aggrivated because i wanted to know what you know. I'm sorry if it came across in a negative manner but i was merely searching for knowledge through your wisdom. My goal in being on ATS is to learn as much i can about three topics, the econemy, goverment and world events. I have a great understanding of the econemy and since joining this site have gained more understanding of goverment and world conflict.

I guess for the sake of credibilty i should spend some more time on my profile and have a few less beers. Thankfully i do not drink to often and this will be one of two times wher ei woke up the next day and said to my self "my god what did you post?"

Anyway i hope you accept my apology and realize i'am only trying to learn from you but went about it the wrong way.

After learning about our goverment and how dirty things really are it makes me question wether or not they have brain washed our military. I guess the reason why it concerns me the most is because i first hand have never served our country so have no knowledge of the psycology of a soilder. My father was a Marine is Vietnam and i know he hates Nato because apparently something with Nato requires are troops to understand they could have to fire upon Americans if ever warrented.

I my self tried to join the military as a Marine when i was younger but my father forbid it. He is proud that he served his country but is ashamed and really damaged over some of the things he had to do while he did it.

The last time i spoke with him about it, it was actually around a conversation brought about by me bringing up John Lennon. I had asked my father a question about him and my father said i never liked John Lennon. He was part of the reason why people spit on us when we came back from defending our country in Vietnam.

All in all throughout my life i have been sent mixed messages about the military from my father. Sometimes he views it as a sense of pride and others it seems as if he is ashamed of it because of our goverment.

I hope i brought some clairty as to why my frustration showed in this thread, but i think it is important for you to know i value the information you have provided just wish i could understand it more.

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tango Lit over.

Y'all better just hope they go by the book when the time comes for the sheeeeat to hit the fan,it's less painful that way.

The majority of the military will follow orders,regardless of what they think of what they are told to do.

Peer pressure.

And they are probably in there cuz they couldn't find a job out here,like I was in 1981.

Really.

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i am a new member here and lo and behold there is a brother in arms speaking gospel on this sight, in short i have one real response to your entry

ooooooohrah!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it is so past time for the sleeping sheep to get a wake up call some one has fallen asleep on firewatch and some of us are and have been stirring. again
ooooohrah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

Originally posted by americanmilitia
reply to post by TrainDispatcher

 

i am a new member here and lo and behold there is a brother in arms speaking gospel on this sight, in short i have one real response to your entry

ooooooohrah!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it is so past time for the sleeping sheep to get a wake up call some one has fallen asleep on firewatch and some of us are and have been stirring. again
ooooohrah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

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