Will ex-military 'Patriots' form a more dangerous kind of militias? (Video)

The Militia existed prior to the Army. So how can you say that it refers to a standing army? The Militias made up a large part of the Continental Army. Take the National Guard, they did not exist until 1933.

Since you attacked my spelling, I will legitimately attack your ability to read.

My post clearly states the standing army is an OUTGROWTH of the militia. In other words, the roots of today's standing army is in the militia. In other words, I did not say the militia referred to a standing army. I did say it referred to the military, because "military" has a very broad meaning. In this case, the Constitution was not referring to private militias, it was referring to a militia that can be raised by necessity during a time of crisis or war. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution, along with the Militia Clause gives control of the militia to Congress, that same Congress you "patriots" despise so greatly.

If you really want me to nit-pick, the National Guard DID exist before 1933. It was established in 1903, not 1933. It was not made a COMPONENT of the Army until 1933. But then again, what do I know? This is all liberal education, right?

Says a lot about you "patriots." Just like the undemocratic North Korea calls themselves the Democratic People's Republic, the unconstitutionalist "patriots" call themselves "Constitutionalists."

Case closed.

[edit on 6-3-2009 by sweatmonicaIdo]

Originally posted by pai mei
What's with the mask ?

He explains in the video. He has to play coward to protect himself and his family.

I think the truth goes farther: he is a coward, mask or not.

Originally posted by TrainDispatcher
A new revolution?

Commander in Chief, not only are your soldiers pi$$ed, they are ready...

[edit on 5-3-2009 by TrainDispatcher]

I would think that the Patriot Act would consider this a "domestic terrorist"

The ex-military will be a great asset to the patriot movement if they choose to assist as many already have. Lots of the folks over at awrm.org are vets.

They however are not fully needed, though much desired and welcomed. The citizens are a power no UN Blue hats could touch and any brainwashed military that went against the US citizens would have a hard time. Just look at what Iraqis with poor training have done to our troops via 4th generational and 5th generational warfare.

In the months of Nov, Dec and Jan there were (each month) enough weapons sold to outfit the entire Chinese military. That is in addition to all the pre-existing weapons already out there. People aren't buying them to shoot ducks... Additionally there were over 1.5 billion rounds of ammo sold. That is civillian, ex-military and I'm sure active duty purchases.

As Americans watch the constitution further being trampled under Obama after 8 years of trampling by Bush (and previously by Clinton) and watch the printing presses of the illegal, unconstitutional "Federal" Reserve bank increase the money supply almost 300% over the past 3 months more and more people realize the "of the people, by the people and for the people," isn't the reality and perhaps many people are realizing that...

the awkward stage is over.

And so the vilification of the word "patriot" begins, the next phase involves portraying the American flag as a racist symbol.

It worked when the socialists were taking control of the UK, so I'm sure they want to try it here too.

It's fascinating watching so many of you be so easily manipulated by the MSM.

Be sure and watch for them to include the racist angle as this progresses, classic population manipulation.

I cant help but think that most of the people that watch this hear "Republican" and think of a political party. LOL!

VON HELTON would love this movement and would make a charismatic leader.

Ahh now I get why Glenn Beck has been allowed to come out and say what he has been saying for the last while!!!! It all makes sense now!

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Thank you for being logical

The video is ridiculous. He's probably an angry individual who didn't see combat and still has that rage from BT. He's just wanting to get that out. At 4:50 on the vid, he goes all Tyler Durden and says that those who are asleep, are so because of self-absorbtion and worldliness, because of our corporate jobs...yet there he was in all of his glory, vestaments belonging to a military branch(marines), talking into his camera and mic to post his opinion on youtube...now I agree with alot of what he said, but how he said it was wrong. He sounded elitist, and thats not going to wake anything but a scoff. People don't like to be told that they are wrong, but if you can do it in an un-offensive manner, people may listen. The marines do not teach diplomacy, as this man is proving.

The 2nd amendment says everyone has the right to bear arms... does this include mentally handicapped people? Felons of rape and murder? If we are a freedom-lovin' country, shouldn't our constitution be the outline for any other developing nation? Shouldn't the right to bear arms belong to the enemy as well, even if they are turned on us?

last, openly talking about pro-revolution and pro-militia on a thread where it just takes a couple of seconds to look up your IP and personal info should be avoided. This has been said multiple times on other threads. Openly asking for a militia to open or form or to accept will bring probing eyes. Secrecy is our weapon, as it is theirs. You must think like them...all they need to do is got to abovetopsecret.com and read your thoughts. You're making it too easy.....Oy Vay.

[edit on 6-3-2009 by GovtAgent]

Jesus H Christ this is the type of thread that attracts gov't disinfo agents like flies to honey. Look at all the government hacks denouncing the traitorous video. Which means it is of great importance. The military is on the fence now. I think it could be tipped either way, or even fragmented. Awake vs. Asleep.

The problem with revolution is timing. As someone earlier keenly pointed out, too early and you're done for. If it's just a band of a few patriots, you'll be labeled a terrorist by the majority. If you're too late you're already in a police state and have no gun. Doesn't the last sentence make the signal obvious? When you are in danger of losing your gun (and other rights) is the time, and you will be in the majority because the majority owns guns and 99% of gun owners won't turn them in lying down.

My Oath is to the Constitution of the United States od America...not to any polititians percieved perception of what the Constitution 'should be'.

The Constitution has been 'basterdized' by Executive Orders and non-constitutional congressional 'mandates'.

It is not a matter of if anymore..... but When.

Yes this is exactly what our country and our world needs right now!

Lets just take up arms and overthrow the goverment. Because our Forefathers would want it that way. Yes I am sure good old Ben and the gang would approve of this Marine. Because being the uber 21st century Patriots we are we certainly know everything there is to know about the mindset of our Forefathers and we all know the world has not changed since 1776.

Yes indeed, lets not use peaceful means even though they are readily at our disposal to make change. Peaceful protest is SO overrated, real Cowboys ahem I mean-Patriots- solve all their problems at the end of bayonnets. Becoming involved in politics and trying to change things for the better is distasteful at best. Our forefathers certainly were not polticians, Nope they were all tearing Redcoat throats out with their teeth! they knew what it meant to be American!

This is SO cool I can't believe it. If I had only been awake when I was in the service, I could of convinced my shipmates to mutiny and then we could of set course for DC and started shelling the place. Oh so what if more innocents then guilty die. God will all sort it out in the end. Its all good right, won't the innocents go to Paradise? I mean Heaven? sending people to their maker for eternal reward is AWESOME!

Then once we have done the deed and the "People" are back in control again we can go back to making this a god fearing country! Lets do it right though, lets go back to the way our Forefathers did it. Lets take away a womans right to vote and African Americans, well we all know where they belong. Gays? maybe Hitler got that one right and we should round them up, you know FEMA was nice enough to leave us some camps...

Indeed, this simply a splendid idea.

(My apologies if anyones sarcasm meter exploded).

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This is my first input at ATS, so hear it goes................. I agree with the general "feeling" of the original posters video............. I think that more and more American citizens are beginning to wake up and feel like we must act. Do not missunderstand me. I hope and pray that violence can be avoided and that our country and constitution can be saved thru peacefull means. I also feel that most military and ex-military are some of our best most giving and patriotic citizens and that the vast majority of them are not to be feared. If TSHTF, I feel they will side with the "good" and the constitution. I agree with jeffmathers and I side with the constitution....not our so called leaders.

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Really? this video on YOUTUBE!!! has got to be of grave importance because it's true?

thats the reason he put it on youtube instead of going door to door, handing out pamphlets filled to the brim with info, 'awakening' others to the lies of Big Brother? "Instead of turning my friends and neighbors into allies and knowledgable people, I'm just gonna post it on youtube, and hope people reccommend it to others. Im a coward"...Even though i just said secracy is our best weapon. lolz

Saying any turn-down and critical remark of a post as 'disinfo' is just spreading the fear and distrust that BB needs to take you over. How do any of us know that you aren't simply a disinfo agent trying to make us look for the 'truth' on youtube?

but see, look at how easy it is to call "Disinfo agent" on ANYONE and continue the regime of dis-trust. No offense, but i believe you barely grasp the whole idea of disinformation. you can spot it and call it out easily, so you must know the truth...or are you calling foul in your honest opinion, and not facts? no one truly knows how disinformation works, other than the fact that it does and that it's in everday use. There's no collective practices and usage of disinformation to study, no legal documents to cite or to study... it's all opinions and theory. take a breath.

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Wow! Let me guess. You will do nothing unless they try to take our guns!

This is the attitude that has gotten us into this mess. What about any other part of the Constitution? Are willing to give them up just to hold onto your gun?

This is the crap that sounds more like a Govt. agent too me. They will not try to take our guns. They know what the reaction would be.

It's just like these so called "MILITIA", yeah right! Mostly a bunch of self serving idots running around in the woods and will only protect themselves when it comes down to it.

They are breaking the Constitution on a weekly basis. What, that does not matter?
If we have our 2nd Amend. but lose 5 others, is that ok?

Timing? By the time you do anything, the only thing left to do is shed blood. I prefer to pressure them out, and have the power behind too get it done. To bad no one will listen to anything reasonable and stand up.

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I agree, those fat bass turds up in Washington think their power makes them immune. Ever seen the likes of say Karl Rove try to run, he will be. Now there is a sight to behold.

Just wait until the honor comes with full metal jackets on-

Semper Fi

[edit on 6-3-2009 by arizonascott]

Originally posted by jeffsmathers
My Oath is to the Constitution of the United States od America...not to any polititians percieved perception of what the Constitution 'should be'.

The Constitution has been 'basterdized' by Executive Orders and non-constitutional congressional 'mandates'.

It is not a matter of if anymore..... but When.

You get it! Good!

The only thing is your question. When? How many times are they going to step on, shred, and bastardize our Contitution before action is taken.

The Tea party thing is crap, it's the Rep. party doing that one.
The Militia stuff is a joke, they only want to shed blood, and don't want to help step up and fix it now.

I understand this guy's point, and do agree if push ever came to shove, the military would be on the side of the Constitution, at least mostly-- but there would definitely be a split. Part of the issue today is that the people seem to support the burning of our Constitution, the advent of Socialism, and reduction of rights. Thus, this 'patriot' revolution is a pipe dream.

It annoys me that people think the military is full idiots-- while I won't lie, you can be as dumb as rock, and the Army has a place for you, there are also a lot of intelligent guys too and not just in the Officer Corps. I have met Specialists with masters degrees and IQs off the richter scale-- People join for all reason-- not just having no where else to go as the media seems to purvey-- while we DO get those folks, I hardly would say its even close to a significant amount.

I understand this guy's point, and do agree if push ever came to shove, the military would be on the side of the Constitution, at least mostly-- but there would definitely be a split. Part of the issue today is that the people seem to support the burning of our Constitution, the advent of Socialism, and reduction of rights. Thus, this 'patriot' revolution is a pipe dream.

It annoys me that people think the military is full idiots-- while I won't lie, you can be as dumb as rock, and the Army has a place for you, there are also a lot of intelligent guys too and not just in the Officer Corps. I have met Specialists with masters degrees and IQs off the richter scale-- People join for all reason-- not just having no where else to go as the media seems to purvey-- while we DO get those folks, I hardly would say its even close to a significant amount.

Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
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I don't know, it sounds like he is ready to suit up and go ahead and get the party started.

I think it is time to dust off The Art Of War and read it again. My vocabulary has expanded a little more since the last time I read it. I shouldn't need to reference the dictionary as often this time.

a MUST read for sure