Wake up America - Here we go! HR645-Legalizes FEMA Detention Centers

I dunno why, but ide like to add a few lyrics, form a metal band i love called MEgadeth...sog was peace sells but whos buying, because its political and jsut makes sense..
" what do ya mean, i could be the president, of the united states of america, tell me something, its still WE the people right?"

reply to post by imd12c4funn

More can be said about FEMA. I simply do not trust them.

FEMA came under intense criticism when it was revealed that a press conference on the California wildfires of October 2007 was staged. Deputy Administrator Harvey E. Johnson was answering questions from FEMA employees who were posing as reporters. Many of these questions were "soft ball" questions (i.e. "Are you happy with FEMA's response so far?"), intentionally asked in a way that would evoke a positive response giving the impression that FEMA was doing everything right. In this way, any scrutiny from real reporters (many of whom were only given a 15 minute notice) would have been avoided. Fox News, MSNBC, and other media outlets aired the staged press briefing live.[25] Real reporters were notified only 15 minutes in advance and were only able to call in to a conference line, which was set to "listen-only" mode. The only people there were primarily FEMA public affairs employees.

www.abovetopsecret.com...'

I think it is time to listen to the Eye of Eagle. He may be leading you in the right direction.



Eye of Eagle

Wow, FEMA can't win, can they. After Katrina, they were blasted for being ill-prepared and poorly handling the disaster. They didn't have any centers established for the displaced, and so the disaster at the stadium and other centers was a dark blemish on their ability to respond, which is exactly what they are supposed to do.

So they establish an act so that the government has to provide bases where they can house people in an emergency... and instead of being praised for at least trying to correct the issues they had previously, they are accused of being an evil NWO agency!

I guess my only question is this: For those of you who are declaring that people should call their congressmen about this: what do YOU suggest they do in times of emergencies? Nothing? They should have NO areas set aside from the displaced in times of emergencies? People should just fend for themselves? And the murder, rape, theft and other felonies that occurred at a stadium and other locations in NO was "ok?" I am curious how many of you saying this is a terrible thing also were the first ones to declare how feeble and ineffective FEMA was after the emergency. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Thats a calssic tactic...otehr members posing as media, and making things look good. Has anyone read about the feds /Bernenker not telling us where the baiout money went, and what banks got what? ISnt aht taxpayers laundered money? We hva a right know...
again IF they cant tell us where are money is going, why should we belive FEMA camps are a safe haven? Everyone knows government lies to us... and some wanna put faith in FEMA?

reply to post by burntheships


There are also conspiracies regarding the fires being intentionally set to create land for the Blackwater [Xe] training facility...
Mercenaries will work for the highest bidder, what happens when our economy collapses and we are no longer the highest bidder?

FleaBit,
I agree with your post. Some people on here need to slow down and chill and stop thinking EVERYTHING is a conspiracy. They are not calling them "detention" centers, because guess what? That's not what they are. Could they be used for that eventually? Yes, of course. but the fact is they are being built for emergencies which is what FEMA is in charge of. And if a lot of you had your home and everything you owned destroyed by a disaster and no where to go, guess what? You'd be the first knocking on one of these "detention" center doors since that's where you are going to fin food, shelter, etc. so that you can continue to live.
I work in EMS and I think it's about time they started making these centers as natural disasters are on the rise and all of you out there should already know about the current sun cycle we are in as well as the scary fact that we "may" be headed toward another pole shift soon, and the possible chance that this may all happen when we go through the galactic rift of the milky way around 2012 give or take a few or more years. Maybe nothing at all will happen, but look at the weather and how it is acting.
Anyway, I am someone that does not rely on and does not trust the government at all, but everyone here on ATS needs to chill, slow down and rationally think things about what they hear and what is going on before claiming it's for the worse.
Realize that FEMA, the military, and other groups also have people in them like YOU that believe a lot of the things here on ATS and that not everyone in FEMA or the military or whatever is all on the same page as the "one's at the top" running things.
I am also an ex soldier by the way and if i was still in the army and was given orders to shoot any of you as american citizens, guess what? i WOULD'NT do it. And i would have to say that at least 80% of the guys in my platoon (when i was active service) would not follow orders like that either. We would NOT shoot you. We'd make up our OWN minds as to what is right and wrong, just like you do.
Chill out, slow down and go about all the things we are seeing happen in a calm , thought out manner so that you can make intelligent choices and think clearly before screaming that something is the way it is when it might not just be...

Away from NWO, there is the fact that maybe in 2012 we have the planet alignment and the fact that we are passing through the most turbulant part of our galaxy. There seems to be a lot of evidence that is pointing to this moment not being the best of times, and so there could be a lot of natural disasters, that in honesty seem to be getting more and more frequent these days.

If this event does come with a lot of problems, maybe these camps will help keep us alive.

The fact that these camps are being legitamized proves to me that they are *expecting* something to happen and they are preparing for it.

If I lose my home, I won't be going where the military is gonna be guarding the front door. No thank you. I'll pass.

I have always been on the fence about these camps. How much more proof do we need to see what they truly exist for? Will many not see it until they are prisoners there?

Have we forgotten how easily the superdome was turned into a hell hole prison, post katrina?

Who knows if these camps will function as safe havens or prisons? Regardless of their existance, I prefer to remain self sufficient rather than submit myself to the "help" of the govt.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
Why doesn't it say detention anywhere?

Bit of a misleading title don't you think?



Oh and this isn't breaking news, since it happened over a month ago.

right on que knew you wouldn't let us down.

The terminology used in such bills is always masked with BS as to not alarm the general populace too much. Its the options this bill gives them that's the worrying part not the fact that they purposely refrained from using the word detention.

Originally posted by fleabit
Wow, FEMA can't win, can they. After Katrina, they were blasted for being ill-prepared and poorly handling the disaster. They didn't have any centers established for the displaced, and so the disaster at the stadium and other centers was a dark blemish on their ability to respond, which is exactly what they are supposed to do.

So they establish an act so that the government has to provide bases where they can house people in an emergency... and instead of being praised for at least trying to correct the issues they had previously, they are accused of being an evil NWO agency!

I guess my only question is this: For those of you who are declaring that people should call their congressmen about this: what do YOU suggest they do in times of emergencies? Nothing? They should have NO areas set aside from the displaced in times of emergencies? People should just fend for themselves? And the murder, rape, theft and other felonies that occurred at a stadium and other locations in NO was "ok?" I am curious how many of you saying this is a terrible thing also were the first ones to declare how feeble and ineffective FEMA was after the emergency. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Ah, these are great questions. And I have another one --

Why doesn't the govt empower it's own people with emergency prepared-ness, rather than build up these camps?

Imagine having camps built up to stock people away in, during the cold war. Wouldn't have made sense. Makes more sense to encourage people to learn how to be prepared but they don't do that anymore.

People have survived hurricanes, floods, tornados for decades. We don't need camps to stock people away in for this. I've been through floods, tornados, and losing my home. Fema never said "hey we got a place for you friend.... come this way"

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Yes, they do warn people to be prepared, through radio, and TV commercials and such...but of course people around here tear that apart too, with questions like "why are they warning us?" paranoia-(spelling?)runs rampant around here-but of course it IS a conspiracy site, it's just that this one falls really short of "conspiracy" in my book and many others. Oh, and just because they are "getting prepared" isn't definitive that "something is going to happen" It was the NOT being prepared that had alot of people screaming at FEMA after Katrina-They just can't win.

[edit on 6-3-2009 by rockhndr]

this sounds like emergency preparedness stuff, such as in the event of nuclear war, national disasters, obvious things like hurricanes, volcanic eruptions and massive earthquakes. also, alien invasion, military invasion, war or civil war.

Fitting Bible passages:

www.biblegateway.com...

Luke 21

10Then he said to them: "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 11There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven.

12"But before all this, they will lay hands on you and persecute you. They will deliver you to synagogues and prisons, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of my name.

Habakkuk 1
1 The oracle that Habakkuk the prophet received.

Habakkuk's Complaint
2 How long, O LORD, must I call for help,
but you do not listen?
Or cry out to you, "Violence!"
but you do not save?
3 Why do you make me look at injustice?
Why do you tolerate wrong?
Destruction and violence are before me;
there is strife, and conflict abounds.

4 Therefore the law is paralyzed,
and justice never prevails.
The wicked hem in the righteous,
so that justice is perverted.

The Lord 's Answer
5 "Look at the nations and watch—
and be utterly amazed.
For I am going to do something in your days
that you would not believe,
even if you were told.
6 I am raising up the Babylonians, [a]
that ruthless and impetuous people,
who sweep across the whole earth
to seize dwelling places not their own.

7 They are a feared and dreaded people;
they are a law to themselves
and promote their own honor.

8 Their horses are swifter than leopards,
fiercer than wolves at dusk.
Their cavalry gallops headlong;
their horsemen come from afar.
They fly like a vulture swooping to devour;

9 they all come bent on violence.
Their hordes advance like a desert wind
and gather prisoners like sand.

10 They deride kings
and scoff at rulers.
They laugh at all fortified cities;
they build earthen ramps and capture them.

11 Then they sweep past like the wind and go on—
guilty men, whose own strength is their god."

reply to post by burntheships


and pray tell me what is the NAME of your EXTERNAL source for that quote??
Just curious....

reply to post by princeofpeace

Actually - the FEMA camp program was in force

BEFORE Hurricane Katrina

BUT

Naturally........FEMA can't "save" lives in CAMPS that DON'T exist!!!!

HR 645 legitimizes what is already in progress.

reply to post by imd12c4funn


wowzers. those are some intense passages. thanks for posting them. now i gotta go look up the original hebrew/aramaic/chaldean, to see what the source words were!

Originally posted by Asherah
If I lose my home, I won't be going where the military is gonna be guarding the front door. No thank you. I'll pass.

I have always been on the fence about these camps. How much more proof do we need to see what they truly exist for? Will many not see it until they are prisoners there?

Have we forgotten how easily the superdome was turned into a hell hole prison, post katrina?

Who knows if these camps will function as safe havens or prisons? Regardless of their existance, I prefer to remain self sufficient rather than submit myself to the "help" of the govt.

and you will be able to remain self sufficient...do you really think the government can "search" 60 to 80 to 100 million homes and apartments? our government does not have that capability. only the people that need help, will have a place to go. the government failed miserably to even TRY and control a few hundred thousand people from katrina, how could they possibly do that on a massive national scale, with HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of americans??
it's just not going to happen.

Ah, these are great questions. And I have another one --

Why doesn't the govt empower it's own people with emergency prepared-ness, rather than build up these camps?

Imagine having camps built up to stock people away in, during the cold war. Wouldn't have made sense. Makes more sense to encourage people to learn how to be prepared but they don't do that anymore.

Right, because NO went so smoothly after Katrina. The company I work for does enviromental work, as well as construction, and we've got many trailers in Mississippi and other areas working alongside FEMA. I've had employees come back with pictures and stories. You just have no idea, do you.

You are assuming that people not only have the money and means to "prepare themselves," but are competent to do so. Not everyone can "plant crops." Kind of hard to do that if you live in apartment. You can't store tons of food and water for everyone in the nation. I'm curious what you think would be a good "master plan" for self-preparedness for our nation would be. And the massive amounts of $$$ to do this. Not to mention, you act as if everyone would be able to do this. The elderly, the not-as-bright or motivated, and so on. Let me guess.. if they are disabled or something, they should fend for themsevles? You only deserve to live if you are able, fit, and have a home? Funny stuff.

After Katrina, FEMA was so thoroughly berated by the public, their head resigns. And so they try to change things, and this is the response? Like I said, they can't win.

I don't think folks who were not there, have any idea how terrible NO was after Katrina. Citizens have proved time and again how pathetic they are at self-governing themselves in time of emergency. You are just nuts if you think no one would take advantage of the situation, or would readily help those others who need it. Leave it to themselves? You are living in some sort of fantasy.