Goodbye Farmer's Markets! Your backyard garden could be next

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Originally posted by Jadette
/Nothing/ makes me angrier than the manipulation of the food supply.

Yep , ever since we started agriculture around 5,000 years ago I have been saying this!!!


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Zing!

That was worth two lines!

Just grow your own food if you want it. It's not like there is any shortage of area to do it in. If you're peers don't let you it's not elitist, it's not zionists, it's ourselves. There is nothing stopping people putting seeds in the ground.

We don't own the land, the land owns us, so if we don't help it grow stuff it will naturally starve us. Property rights are meaningless, if you want the food, grow it. If you don't, well, then you risk dieing, because elitists have our society in a headlock and until we project them off our back society will only get worse.

Choice is individual, you chose your path and you stick to it. The land still grows food, no matter what silly stuff elitists come up with.

And be carefull with the desperation, if elitists can't catch you with your stomach, they will catch you with your faith. This is not a time to be in fear. No time is. Most of the people on these boards now realise the bigger picture of elitist manipulation (whether they are satanists or just common or garden psychopaths is irrelevant, probably a mix of both anyway), and most know the way out. When the confort zone is gone everyone will have to move.

I've seen an agrarian renaissance here, a few years ago less than a fifth of the land was planted. Now it's closer to half. We will be fine, and if the government tries to change things we will just ignore them.

Some people may die, but the more people are aware that the state is infiltrated by elitist interest groups, the less power they will be able to wield, up untill a point they are irrelevant.

Do nothing and these elites will destroy the world, they are psychopathic and rampant and cannot be trusted to lead our society in a humaine and prosperous fashion. We can't trust a tick to train a dog. It's easy to see what measures are elitist, and it's even easier to ignore them.

Even the police will do this, nobody wants to die of hunger. I see this one blowing up in their faces.

Originally posted by Aleilius
Controlling the food supply is a surefire way to control the masses.

Absolutely.

These bills are atrocities, and should never stand.

They NEED to stand - as applied to large food production corporations, NOT small farmers.

Human's have been consuming nature's bounties for thousands of years without ill effects, but now suddenly it's somehow become unhealthy?

In fact, it has. Even 10 years ago salmonella only infected animal protein - now, it infects the roots, stems and leaves of plants.

...Salmonella, like many other pathogens, has not just crossed the species barrier, it has crossed the kingdom barrier.

Unthinkable even 5 years ago. Many still have trouble recognizing that our foundation for understanding biology has crumbled.

Time to throw out Koch's principles and start over.


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[edit on 4-3-2009 by soficrow]

Ok, now I’m getting frustrated.

Yesterday I read an article about banning seed banks and/or storing seeds.

As in regular old carrot, potatoes, radish etc seeds to feed your family type non GMO seeds.

I read it in a rush as I rushed even faster out the door.
I thought I hit to sit it in my preferences and I didn’t.
Now I can’t find the article and I could beat myself with a stick!

I look through so m any news sources each morning it’s tough to even know where to begin.

If anyone sees this article would you PLEASE either U2U me or post it in this thread or start a new thread?
Something!
Thank you SO much in advance.

EDIT: Oh, Strike, I’m not trying to hijack your thread, not at all, I’m trying to add to it by posting about the seed ban to back up your point and I will do as soon as I can find it!

peace!


[edit on 4-3-2009 by silo13]

Originally posted by VampireZio
I did my own searching on this subject and haven't found anything for information on the governement telling use we can't have farms or private gardens.

That's the key - 'Private Gardens'. As such, micro-farms where their products are sold at farmer's markets could be looked at as beyond the scope of protection granted as a 'Private Garden'. In other words, you can grow whatever you want - but if I decide to set up at stand on my street and sell my heirloom-seeded corn or veggies, I will be subject to the laws set forth in these bills.

Small-town farming communities and inter-city farmers markets with locally-grown organic foods ARE subject to these bills.

reply to post by shrike071


They can pass any bill they like. It wont stop me from growing my own food and living healthy. My life and health have been magnificently better since switching to mostly organic and home grown vege's

It wont stop me from growing my own food and living healthy. My life and health have been magnificently better since switching to mostly organic and home grown vege's

Unfortunately, the bills being talked about here are simply an attempt by Monsanto, et-al, to crack the door open to restrictions. Once they get a foothold, do you really think that they'll stop there? I could easily see a day when my purchase of bulk organic-seed for my micro-farm will raise a red-flag somewhere and I'll have the boys in blue at my door.

I could even see these seeds being branded as a 'threat to the nations food supply' since they are not disease/bug resistant (GM crops) and having them confiscated.

Really - I'm not being dramatic - it's a very slippery-slope once the door has been opened.

"But, when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."

- Declaration of Independence, 1776

This was written to acknowledge the corruption of the monarchy in England and the despostism that led our forefathers to a new land.

But, there was one man who saw into the future regarding our new found government. His name was Benjamin Franklin and had this to say at the conclusion of the Constitutional Convention in 1787:

"I think a General Government [is] necessary for us, and there is no Form of Government but what may be a Blessing to the People if well administered; and I believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism as other forms have done before it, when the People shall become so corrupted as to need Despotic Government, being incapable of any other".

So here it is. The United States has run the course of its once great ambition to be free republic. We are now being reduced to, shall I dare say, totalitarianism? Yet, we gladly GIVE AWAY our freedoms in exhange for safety and security, with the thought that I don't have to be responsible; the government will take care of me.

It is our moral obligation to rid ourselves of this tyranny. Every member of the military and law enforcement should read the words of our forefathers. They should understand that they are under no obligation to follow the orders of those above them if those orders are in direct violation of our Constitution which they are sworn to defend.

Some of it sounds like it would be positive too. Putting ore checks on how poultry is produced probably means that GE and cloned animals will be labeled and the product itself would have labeling. I got this info from HB 814. Correct me if I am wrong in any of this. Could it not be that the makers of these rules abide by the voices of good governing people that know about the unhealthy and otherwise bad foods put on shelves.

By making rules for what can be certified organic and what cannot is it not making it less difficult to confirm what is being bought. If the rules were kept loose you would continue to have "all-natural" labels on products that really aren't all-natural. It also talks about more stringent oversight.

My only concern is what group is going to be responsible for oversight.

IMO, everyone who wants to be able to have contol of thier own food in any way should stand against this sort of tyranny should sign the petition, and get active.

Monsanto is a giant evil corporation.
Just take a look at thier stock history here:
moneycentral.msn.com...

They like all big corporations are fighting to stay ontop. They also know that organics and farmers markets are eating away at thier domination of food markets. Monsanto is GMO industry...and chemical fertilizers, pesticides and herbicides and wants this as status quo. Organics threaten thier greed.

We do need to take a stand against them. What will it cost us each one to do something. Give them a run for their money I say! If we knew how many farmers they put out of business every year we would be hot mad I tell you.

Monsanto's hobby is to find farmers that are making it good, but not using Monsanto products. Then Monsanto files lawsuits against the little guy, distracting the good farmer with a lawsuit. Monsanto does this multiple times every year.

www.organicconsumers.org...

www.keepmainefree.org...

www.nelsonfarm.net...

www.newswithviews.com...

Just a few lawsuits there to explore. Please take a stand, this is not to be taken lightly.


[edit on 4-3-2009 by burntheships]

Cargill had nothing to do with this. ADM, yes. Where are your sources that tell you Cargill is doing this? I am close to this company and have seen them do nothing but help small operations.

We elect and I say again, WE ELECT officials that we tend to believe that will work for us and but instead work to meet their own interests.

It was just a matter of time when a bill like this would be introduced. When we grow their own produce or buy from the small farmer, we're taking out of the pockets of those who are in positions of authority or power. They won't allow that.

The bureaucrats and lobbyists for the large corporations introduce such bills to insure us that we don't take away from the ones who protect us.

Are we to stand by and let the government count our tomato, corn and squash plants for tax purposes? Or maybe they'll "pay" our children to report at "school" of what their families ate for supper the prior night and investigate anything that may be "abnormal". They may levy a fee for any food products not purchased from the supermarket.

For years and years, our voices fall on and continue to fall on deaf ears and we continue to elect leaders who are full of deception and deceit. We sit and watch taxes and fees rise at unprecedented rates. Are we going to tire of this or wait for our children or grandchildren to tire of it?

It's sad but it's time for the unthinkable to happen in a nation where we've taken our very freedoms forgranted for so long. The cycle now is nearing completion and I stand ready for the call. Millions of others stand ready also.

Patrick Henry quoted, "Give me liberty or give me death."
He also quoted, " Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined."

Um...

Hive collapse anyone?

Just wondering.

My wife just gave me the go ahead to put up a couple of supers in the backyard. Friendly little Italian black bees or just regular europeans. Will have to look into prices.


Also looking at making a cheap green house (wood frame with plastic sheeting like at nurseries.

..and storing some seed up.

Originally posted by felonius
Um...

Hive collapse anyone?

Just wondering.

My wife just gave me the go ahead to put up a couple of supers in the backyard. Friendly little Italian black bees or just regular europeans. Will have to look into prices.


Also looking at making a cheap green house (wood frame with plastic sheeting like at nurseries.

..and storing some seed up.

I'm putting out a couple of hives this year after hearing about CCD. Hives are approx. $125 a piece (two deep hive bodies and one medium super). I'm buying 5-frame nuc's for $120 a piece. I will be practicing integrated pest management to reduce chemicals used. If I get anything off the supers, I will bottle and give out as Christmas gifts. I can't sell as I don't have a facility to properly bottle according to the state.

Welcome to the club!

Late in the thread, but isn't this the initial implementation of codex alumiteras? I was pretty convinced of this after seeing the thread here about making a certain b12 compound an illicit narcotic. So it begins right? I was just watching a news story in the pacific north west area stating that alot of vitamins taken on a regular basis bad for you, not in overage amount's but just a daily mutli vitamin being bad for you. I was shocked that the infamous they were really smackin anyone half way aware of their surroundings right in the face.

We need to get Obama to answer to why he staffed the same agricultural chief that let Monsanto's Gmo seeds through to the public (and saturated the farmers with) without researching and testing them first.

Monsanto = the big evil. And someone needs to stop them.
I want Obama to work on that one - and soon!

Hive collapse is something that I've posted about before. Hypothetically caused by pesticides and seeds coated with disease/bug resistant coatings.

I sent a letter to the governor of the state of Arkansas and to the two State Senators for Arkansas about these bills. I don't know if it will do any good, but all we can do is try.

If you sit and stay silent you are consenting to this. We must speak out against the atrocities being perpetrated against the American people, otherwise they will just continue.

[edit on 4-3-2009 by cnichols]

H.R. 875 Sec. 102:

"(c) Renaming and Reservation of Agency Identity- The Food and Drug Administration in the Department of Health and Human Services is hereby renamed the Federal Drug and Device Administration and may be referred to as `FDA'."


What devices?

More More More.. the mantra of the truely insane.

This book is a must read for those who agree that man has played with his food too much before eating it.

en.wikipedia.org...

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Wonderful information...thanks for posting that. The book is online at
Wiki!! We are so fortunate to have an opportunity to do more, I hope it does not get taken from us!