Radical Islam

Absolutely im not saying any of the current incarnations of religion are up to the bill, but having all branches of religious thought under an umbrella religion (where we all accept the idea of worshiping an ultimate creator god means we worship the same god in different ways, and then allow different schools of thought to exist under a governing body of the truly devout) would serve far better than the fractured forms of war going on between the abrahamic peoples at the moment (which lets face it is whats happening), whether or not the PTB have stirred the pot.

Modern religions are just tools of control anyway, that however should not really be the goals of the religion despite what the religious authorities within ALL the religions have been doing since well pretty much their birth.

I believe that ultimately we are in the midst of a culture war and religious war...those radicals hate us and want us to convert to their oppressive ways or die...We cannot tolerate them. Europe is tolerating them and it may be their destruction some day. We must be vigilant, and we must not waver in the fight against terrorism and radical Islam. There are 1 Billion to 1.5 Billion Muslims in the world, and 10% to 15% of them support radical Islam...that is a LOT of people that hate us and want us dead.
I hope by the end of Obama's term(s) we don't end up looking like Europe.



[edit on 1-3-2009 by AnonymousMoose]

Originally posted by AnonymousMoose
Europe is tolerating them and it may be their destruction some day.

The laws of several European countries are already in drastic change. The Norwegian government are inserting separate boy/girl gym classes, especially during swimming.

Norwegian prisoners are likely to be served Halal food. There was also a proposition of serving Halal food to all the prisoners, including non-muslim, to keep the costs down.

There have also been demands for separate elderly homes for muslims.

A picture of a known cartoon character, Piglet from Winnie the pooh, was demanded to be taken off the wall from a children's hospital, after it upset a lot of muslims.

All the politic parties are ignoring the immigrant problem, except one. Which will most likely be elected in 6 months

[edit on 1-3-2009 by Beltha]

Originally posted by bfitz92
reply to post by karl 12

 

If the news paper cannot even spell "Taliban" correctly i dont think it would be the best source to be quoting

I'm sure this post will get overlooked. Most of my common-sense, non-incendiary posts do.

So, now I have your attention, allow me to point out a couple of things.

1) The word "Taliban" can be spelled in English a number of ways. Taleban would also be acceptable. The leader of Libya has been referred to as Gaddafi as well as Qaddafi. Koran is also spelled Quran.

These differences stem from the fact that Arabic vowels and consonants do not exactly marry up to Latin equivalents. In fact one particular letter (ayn) is considered by many native speakers impossible for a Westerner to emulate correctly.

2) The word "Jihad" refers to struggle. I carry out a personal jihad every day of my life.
My jihad is not one that directly results in harm being caused to another. I take on board the argument that in this case it was quite possibly for nefarious means.

The point is people all too quickly jump conclusions.

Don't believe me? Fine. Just hit that ignore button and move along...

Is this video meant to educate, or act as a propaganda tool to justify the death of 1.3 million Iraqis? I have no patience for this sort of thing, it really is beneath me. I don't take that attitude toward almost any view, but I've quite literally had enough of this crap. After watching this video, should I support an invasion of Pakistan and Iran? Should I have a subconscious disdain for Islam, even if its say Sufism? Should I relinquish my income in the form of unlawful taxes to support an empire overseas, and then feel good about it because we've rooted out the evil "radical Islamic militants"? Apologists for the GWOT will probably try and say this video isn't about that. I've studied Islam for a while now, so I don't need some putz telling me about "jihad" and the need for a regime change in a place we have no business being in.

Read what the CIA has to say about "Blowback," and realize what happens when you occupy a territory. Imagine China occupying America; you can rest assured quite a few "insurgents" will want to get rid of them. If you subscribe to the idea that a couple of men with box-cutters brought down the WTC towers, then look to our foreign policy as the cause. I know these words are falling on deaf ears, but I needed to comment on this.

Originally posted by Beltha
An estimated 10-15% of the worlds muslims support radical islam, and death upon all non-believers.

Do we have a source with link for that info? It sounds very low to me.

Originally posted by DJMessiah
The only time any Muslim is allowed to kill is in in self-defense, and when the other party chooses to avoid peace.

Then there are a lot of muslims who don't understand their faith.

Muslim terrorist Attacks in the past 2 months

reply to post by Beltha

and death upon all non-believers.

Did you get that from one of the videos? I don't think any educated individual would watch that many propaganda videos at once therefore the best idea to support your claim would be to tell us exactly in which video did you extract that information from.

By the way do you really believe that they started the war against West you must really be lost, read couple of books please. Do you really think you are smart enough to extract the truth from a propaganda video? That just shows your ignorance.

Originally posted by Ownification
reply to post by Beltha

 

and death upon all non-believers.

Did you get that from one of the videos? I don't think any educated individual would watch that many propaganda videos at once therefore the best idea to support your claim would be to tell us exactly in which video did you extract that information from.

The 10 parts are simply segments of the same entire video.

And actually, if you do watch all 10 parts, you will see that it offers both sides of the debate up for view.

As such it is hardly a propaganda video.

Whatever Religion it is... Fanatism is one religion of laws-obeying narrow-minded people.

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."
— Winston S. Churchill

The Bible clearly tells us Jesus hung out with regular working people. Carpenters, fishermen, stone masons, people who drank and chased women, tax collectors, prostitutes. Who judged him for it? The religious fanatics of his day and time.

Religious fanatics will sometimes threaten your life and do it in the name of God. The Bible explains in several places how religious fanatics will judge others then rationalize to themselves how they were justified by doing so. Without realizing it they not only nullified the laws of God they found themselves to be guilty by those same laws.

Religious extremists begin to deplore those who reveal spiritual truths. Hatred turns to hostility and hostility to Fanaticism. Fanaticism murders spiritualists. In accordance Jesus Christ who revealed divine spiritual truths was murdered.

The persons responsible for the formation of world religions such as Buddha, Mahaveer, Jesus Christ, Prophet Mohammad were all expounders of Spirituality and were against religions. Therefore they were persecuted by coreligionist and religious fanatics.

This apply to Religions, Politics, Economists, Traditional Scientists, School Teachers, and the whole system have its own fanatics

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Then there are a lot of muslims who don't understand their faith.

Muslim terrorist Attacks in the past 2 months

People will murder another regardless of their faith. If everyone lived up to their faith's teachings, everyone would be sinless, but that doesn't always happen.

Anger gets the best of everyone, and when they turn it into action, that's when they forget about their faith and give into temptation.

Originally posted by bfitz92
reply to post by karl 12

 

If the news paper cannot even spell "Taliban" correctly i dont think it would be the best source to be quoting

I think you'll find like a lot of Arabic, Pashtun &c. words that are Anglicised often appear with different spellings. This is because direct phonetic translations aren't always possible. 'Koran' is a classic example, as is 'Al Qaida'.

As for the newspaper itself, I'd much rather accept The Times as a source than many, many of the media outlets that get quoted on these boards.

yay an islam bashing thread, its just a matter of time.
ok i have been doing some research into islam in the uk latley, & yes its a problem here as no one seems to be doing any thing about it !!!.
but it seems the uk`s knight in shinning armour may come in the form of the bnp(british national party) lots of lefty labour loving fools will call the bnp fascist & racsist, they may be right, but the big three main partys labour/conservative/libdems are all ignoring the growing anger of the british people at there own peril, support for the bnp has always been only local in very few areas, but becuase all the main partys ignoring important issues bnp support is growing far quicker than expected, a strong labour seat like sevenoaks has been a labour ward for 40 years, but no longer it is now a bnp seat, is this a taste of things to come ???.
the main problems that are causing the bnp to become more & more popular are:
1:getting the uk out of the eu dictorship
2:mass immigration into the uk
3:british jobs for british workers
4:the growing problem in the uk being caused by islam a minority forcing its views on the majority !!!.
these 4 very important issues are not being addressed, or more & more uk citizens are now realising the only political party willing to do some thing about these issues are the bnp.
now a lot of people will refuse to vote bnp because they iether dont mind the uk being ruined by muslims changing our society or they thnk the bnp is racsist. but the next election in june this year, will be for euopean seats wich the bnp are fighting for. a lot of people believe the bnp will win some seats here wich will upset things for the uk.
the current uk government now sees the bnp as a bigger threat to them than the conservatives, & the next general election in 2010 may well be when the sh-t truely hits the fan, whether the bnp get elected or not in 2010 is hard to say untill after the euro elections in june, shedding more light on the publics opinion of the bnp. but one thing is for sure,
untill mass immigration is reversed support for the bnp will continue to grow, & if or should i say when the bnp gain power, they have some good & some bad policies, but bnp will likley ban islam in the uk & will destroy every single mosk in the uk,
now will the uk muslims allow this to happen since they have grown so used to getting there own way ?, ide say the uk is on the rd towards civil war, or as enoch powel said (rivers of blood)
the uk population is growing tired of islam & i believe the majority of the population will fight islam to preserve the english identity.
i also think in ths light to mention that some people suggest the uk population is as high as 20% immigration !
but stats say
uk muslims approx 2 million
polish immigrants approx 1 million
wich suggests uk citizens over 60 million
but lets be generous & agree to the 20% margin & say
10 million muslims
2 million polish
10 million afro carabeans & africans
48 million anglo uk citizens
now certain parts of london have been ethnicly cleansed of londoners & replaced by islamic immigrants, if a party like bnp are elected because this trend is going to be reversed on a uk wide basis there will indeed be rivers of blood & in my view the current government has caused this problem & is guilty of treason against the native population of england.
i think the bnp are the only hope england has, unless the lefty loonies get there way & england will be ethnicly cleansed of native english making way for england to become a new republic of islam.
i also think if england votes in the bnp it will cause other nations to pull out of the eu dictatorship & start a europe wide rebelion against islam, hollond/france/germany/sweden/norway/itali/spain & many others are all under threat of losing there national identity due to over whelming numbers of muslims trying to change the host country into muslim countrys & refusing to assimilate into new cultures, protect our cultures against islam.

While there is no doubt Radical Islamics exist, radical ALCIAda is far more a terrorist threat than Muslims. The NWO has exploited and fooled the Sheeple into believing these false threats. We must wake up as a nation and understand the real terrorist are in Washington DC, not the middle east.

If this was such a serious issue, why have they not come into our country and blown us up? After all, our borders have been open for years. Millions of illegals come and go through our south border annually.

These films are part of the overall propaganda our govt wants the sheeple to believe, to continue their illegal wars and deprive us of our rights and liberties. We are turning into (or have turned into) a fascist state, WAKE UP people and fight the NWO, the real source of terrorism in the world.

Personally i do NOT want Islam in the UK.

Rip down the mosques and jail the evil preachers.

Oh wait, that sounds fascist. Ok then... do nothing and let the guests destroy the hand that has fed them and allowed them to be comfortable in our country. Let the radical bastards change OUR country, change the laws to suit their religion and in return we get no thanks what so ever.

Personally, i can see the UK becoming a pressure cooker. One day the honest, hard working english man is going to get sick of all the preachers on the street accusing us of being immoral and threatening our stability. How long are we going to stand here and allow these freaks to call us 'infidels'.

Screw Islam. It's a nasty religion, and those Muslims who do not wish any harm on us, should speak up, otherwise they are all gonna get lumped into the same category and ultimately suffer.

Sad but true.

A word to all the Radical Islamics...Suck my wrinkled sphincter muscle. Feel free to post my reply on one of their sites, I already have along with some other choice ponderings.

www.islam4uk.com...

"Islam is undeniably the only real solution for Britain's problems. Unlike other spiritually orientated beliefs Islam is a comprehensive and divine way of life akin to ones natural disposition and furthermore capable of solving all of the various problems that mankind faces."

--

What the hell?

reply to post by cooler


Why is condemning and denouncing the actions of these extremist fanatics instantly labelled 'bashing'?
Why should organised religion be exempt from criticism?
These extremists are just a group of delusional bigots - the fact that they're hiding behind religion should afford them no
'special preference' whatsoever.

I'd be interested to hear your honest views on this documentary - do you think the views of these people should be 'free from criticism'?

Google Video Link

A Dispatches reporter attends mosques run by organisations whose public faces are presented as moderate and finds preachers condemning integration into British society, condemning democracy and praising the Taliban for killing British soldiers…

Dispatches has investigated a number of mosques run by high profile national organisations that claim to be dedicated to moderation and dialogue with other faiths. But an undercover reporter joined worshippers to find a message of religious bigotry and extremism being preached.

He captures chilling sermons in which Saudi-trained preachers proclaim the supremacy of Islam, preach hatred for non-Muslims and for Muslims who do not follow their extreme beliefs - and predict a coming jihad. "An army of Muslims will arise," announces one preacher. Another preacher said British Muslims must "dismantle" British democracy - they must "live like a state within a state" until they are "strong enough to take over."

The investigation reveals Saudi Arabian universities are recruiting young Western Muslims to train them in their extreme theology, then sending them back to the West to spread the word. And the Dispatches reporter discovers that British Muslims can ask for fatwas, religious rulings, direct from the top religious leader in Saudi Arabia, the Grand Mufti.

Saudi-trained preachers are also promoted in DVDs and books on sale at religious centres and sermons broadcast on websites. These publications and webcasts disseminate beliefs about women such as: "Allah has created the woman deficient, her intellect is incomplete", and girls: "By the age of 10 if she doesn’t wear hijab, we hit her," and there’s an extreme hostility towards homosexuals.

[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]

Originally posted by karl 12
reply to post by cooler

 

Why is condemning and denouncing the actions of these extremist fanatics instantly labelled 'bashing'?
Why should organised religion be exempt from criticism?
These extremists are just a group of delusional bigots - the fact that they're hiding behind organised religion should afford them no
'special preferences' whatsoever.

I'd be interested to hear your honest views on this documentary - do you think these people should be 'free from criticism'?

Google Video Link

A Dispatches reporter attends mosques run by organisations whose public faces are presented as moderate and finds preachers condemning integration into British society, condemning democracy and praising the Taliban for killing British soldiers…

Dispatches has investigated a number of mosques run by high profile national organisations that claim to be dedicated to moderation and dialogue with other faiths. But an undercover reporter joined worshippers to find a message of religious bigotry and extremism being preached.

He captures chilling sermons in which Saudi-trained preachers proclaim the supremacy of Islam, preach hatred for non-Muslims and for Muslims who do not follow their extreme beliefs - and predict a coming jihad. "An army of Muslims will arise," announces one preacher. Another preacher said British Muslims must "dismantle" British democracy - they must "live like a state within a state" until they are "strong enough to take over."

The investigation reveals Saudi Arabian universities are recruiting young Western Muslims to train them in their extreme theology, then sending them back to the West to spread the word. And the Dispatches reporter discovers that British Muslims can ask for fatwas, religious rulings, direct from the top religious leader in Saudi Arabia, the Grand Mufti.

Saudi-trained preachers are also promoted in DVDs and books on sale at religious centres and sermons broadcast on websites. These publications and webcasts disseminate beliefs about women such as: "Allah has created the woman deficient, her intellect is incomplete", and girls: "By the age of 10 if she doesn’t wear hijab, we hit her," and there’s an extreme hostility towards homosexuals.

[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]

i am unable to watch your video due to lack of bandwidth !.
but in answer to islam bashing, because very often threads titled islam do tend to attract a degree of religios hatred, wich is also some times confused with racsism, but there is no race called muslim or islam. so bashing is just a common decription of peoples opinion of islam, i dont mind bashing islam threads, i have read the quran for my self & understand it is a book of hatred & is not a book of peace.
any way if i manage to get a faster net connection ide love to see the films on this thread but till then i am ony able to see pictures & text, the last film i saw on ths subject was the fitna film, a very true description of islams real intentions in my opinion.
so please dont let me stop the deserved bashing of islam.
islam offers the choices to western societys
conform to islam
or
die by the sword of islam
not much of a choice, so my guess is that western society will likley choose to kill islam befor it has the chance to use its sword.
what do you think ?.

Originally posted by asmeone2
The thing is though, I think we, with our foreign policies of bomb first, ask later, have handled this abysmally. We've only proved that the West is evil and needs to go.

exactly

radical islam is just an after effect of hypocritical, selfish, cold-hearted westerners who don't care about how many people die every second as a consequence of their ignorance and stupidity...

one could say: you deserve radical islamism

Originally posted by donhuangenaro

Originally posted by asmeone2
The thing is though, I think we, with our foreign policies of bomb first, ask later, have handled this abysmally. We've only proved that the West is evil and needs to go.

exactly

radical islam is just an after effect of hypocritical, selfish, cold-hearted westerners who don't care about how many people die every second as a consequence of their ignorance and stupidity...

one could say: you deserve radical islamism

One could say that's utter rubbish and you're just follwing the idea that all the West is evil and must pay. Radical Islam existed long before any of these current troubles.