Radical Islam

Originally posted by donhuangenaro

Originally posted by asmeone2
The thing is though, I think we, with our foreign policies of bomb first, ask later, have handled this abysmally. We've only proved that the West is evil and needs to go.

exactly

radical islam is just an after effect of hypocritical, selfish, cold-hearted westerners who don't care about how many people die every second as a consequence of their ignorance and stupidity...

one could say: you deserve radical islamism

if radical islam is an after effect of western selfishness, then in the quran mohamed ya know the 40 year old guy that married a 6 year old ?, well want it mohamed who first lied about wanting to live in peace with every one then started killing of whole villages, islam & radical islam are one in the same, first lie then kill, all this started way befor western selfishness got involved. islam has its self to blame now it wants war with super powers.
this is what islam teaches muslims to follow the teachings of an insane pedophile.
& now the selfish westerners are involved, blame them as you have blamed every one els in islams history, but what ever you do never question islam its self because that would be unislamic, & would put you in real danger of learning some thing !.

Hi posters.
I'm astounded that NO post clearly adressed the problem of ISRAEL, and the fact that UK founded and armed the state of ISRAEL on the land of ISLAMIC Palestinians.
NO post clearly adressed the fact that USA is the constant ally of ISRAEL, allowing this country to squash its ISLAMIC neighbours.
Western countries, beeing supporters of ISRAEL, are de facto, ennemies of ISLAM. It's that simple.
Now, if you ask me what I think of Islamic extremists, I'll answer you : "as soon as GOD is supposed to be on your side, the World is in a mess".
- Got mit uns
- In God we trust
- God save the Queen
- Allah Akhbar
- A people chosen by God
- etc ... etc ...
God help us !

Underlying and quietly guiding Islam (Christianity/Judaism?) there exists a more subtle spiritual philosophy which is opposed to all Life. I don't know its name but it's not opposed to just human life or societies, but also plants and animals, wind, water and earth.

Underlying and mixed in with Islam is a faith which has turned what was once a region of forests and pastures into a desert. A region which once, not long ago, supported the same species of animals one could easily find in Sub-Saharan Africa and India barely supports its human population and its Nations survive only because they import food with the proceeds of their only substantial resource and foundation of their entire economy; a stinking black sludged for which the world has found a use and that pollutes the air, water and earth througout the world; how ironic...that the primary export of the Islamic world, Crude Oil, and some unnamed philosophy underlying Islam are similar in every way.

In addition to polluting the world with their Oil, they've concocted some myth of an American Empire. Newsflash, there is no such thing as an American Empire. It's yet another lie coming from the home of the lie. Telling lies so as to turn your home into a ruin, just as their ancestors did before this time.

But it matters not as the War has entered its final stage. and this monster is being choked to death in a dark place and won't bother the world again for a long time. You all get to watch its demise and see its trial, for proof of what I say.

Originally posted by orkson
Hi posters.
I'm astounded that NO post clearly adressed the problem of ISRAEL, and the fact that UK founded and armed the state of ISRAEL on the land of ISLAMIC Palestinians.
NO post clearly adressed the fact that USA is the constant ally of ISRAEL, allowing this country to squash its ISLAMIC neighbours.
Western countries, beeing supporters of ISRAEL, are de facto, ennemies of ISLAM. It's that simple.
Now, if you ask me what I think of Islamic extremists, I'll answer you : "as soon as GOD is supposed to be on your side, the World is in a mess".
- Got mit uns
- In God we trust
- God save the Queen
- Allah Akhbar
- A people chosen by God
- etc ... etc ...
God help us !

if you are going to take this down this path you realy need to explain a few things
1:modern day palistians are infact jordonians that have decided to call them selves modern day palistians
2:israel your arguement would be true if life on earth only started the day the british got involved, but you realy need to ask where does isrealies come from. i think abrihim had a few sons didnt he ?, not all sons followed islam, & at least one chose judaism.
3:to base an entire arguement on only a partial history of people & land is not looking at the complete picture.

Originally posted by cooler
the teachings of an insane pedophile.

funny, and pedophiles in christian church are sane?



what planet do you live on?

Uranus?




[edit on 1-3-2009 by donhuangenaro]

What's funny, is that if this thread was about Israel.. it would immediately be proclaimed as "hate speech", and would be closed very quickly.

Originally posted by donhuangenaro

Originally posted by cooler
the teachings of an insane pedophile.

funny, and pedophiles in christian church are sane?

what planet do you live on?

Uranus?

[edit on 1-3-2009 by donhuangenaro]

thankfuly peophiles found in catholic & christian churches are normaly decloaked & given prison.
but at least they are dealt with when they come to light.
the difference with church peodiphiles & mohamed is that mohamed is well known for his 6 year old wife & yet islam still worships him !!!!.
to continue worshipping a known pedophile mmm thats a bit wierd.

further more in the uk, our current government likes to give pedophiles a second chance wich often leads to said pedophile commiting new offences against children,
one of the bnp`s policies i do agree with is to bring back hanging for such offenders, they deserve no better.

[edit on 1-3-2009 by cooler]

Originally posted by Majorion
What's funny, is that if this thread was about Israel.. it would immediately be proclaimed as "hate speech", and would be closed very quickly.

What's also funny, is if i had my opinion in my own street, i'd be arrested and jailed.

But Islam seems to bend the UK law to its on whim.

[edit on 1-3-2009 by mr-lizard]

Originally posted by freeman2128
I cant wait untill I can purchase tags to hunt the animals.

Now that is a tad extreme, i may be against radical Islam, but killing is not the answer, it would just put us down to their level y'see.

Ya and with big brother alive and well in britian I'm sure they get away with yelling Jihad!! With a street camera on every corner I strongly doubt that is the case in London, those people would be in jail instantly, it's not against the law to be muslim but it is against the law to be part of radical islam, which could more simply be called terrorism.

reply to post by cooler


Ok, sorry to recall some historical facts, but I think it's not useless, if we want to understand the root of the problems we're facing to-day :

The creation of Israel.

In 1922 the population of Palestine consisted of approximately 589,200 Muslims, 83,800 Jews, 71,500 Christians and 7,600 others (1922 census[8]). Gradually a large number of Jews immigrated to the area, most of whom were fleeing increasing persecution in Europe. This immigration and accompanying call for a Jewish state in Palestine drew violent opposition from local Arabs, in part because of Zionism's stated goal of a Jewish state, which many Arabs believed would require the subjugation or removal of the existing non-Jewish population.

On 29 November 1947 the United Nations General Assembly approved a plan, UN General Assembly Resolution 181, to resolve the Arab-Jewish conflict by partitioning Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab.
Each state would comprise three major sections, linked by extraterritorial crossroads; the Arab state would also have an enclave at Jaffa.
With about 32% of the population, the Jews would get 56% of the territory, an area that contained 499,000 Jews and 438,000 Palestinians, though this included the inhospitable Negev Desert in the south.
The Palestinians would get 42% of the land, which had a population of 818,000 Palestinians and 10,000 Jews. In consideration of its religious significance, the Jerusalem area, including Bethlehem, with 100,000 Jews and an equal number of Palestinians, was to become a Corpus Separatum, to be administered by the UN.[27]The Jewish leadership accepted the partition plan as "the indispensable minimum,"[28] glad as they were with the international recognition but sorry that they did not receive more.

Arguing that the partition plan was unfair to the Arabs with regard to the population balance at that time, the representatives of the Palestinian Arabs and the Arab League firmly opposed the UN action and even rejected its authority to involve itself in the entire matter.[30] They upheld "that the rule of Palestine should revert to its inhabitants, in accordance with the provisions of [...] the Charter of the United Nations."[31] According to Article 73b of the Charter, the UN should develop self-government of the peoples in a territory under its administration.

Now that pieces are connected, just imagine this scenario :
- You're English, in UK. Italy has been whipped out by earthquakes.
- Arguing a long back presence of the Romans on your ground, the Romists decide to stage a Roman territory on UK, and the UN, decides to share UK between the Italians and the English-born citizens.
- Thanks to the Italian "diaspora" in the USA, this country decidesd to help the Romists, which they train and arm.
Etc... See the figure ?
It's SF, I agree. But it's what occured to the Palestinians !
There are now more than 5 Million palestinians refugees in the Middle East.
If you think it's not enough to feed the fire ...

Someone in a post, told "we haven't enough bombed them".

I think he should takie some more history curses.

Originally posted by orkson
reply to post by cooler

 

Ok, sorry to recall some historical facts, but I think it's not useless, if we want to understand the root of the problems we're facing to-day :

The creation of Israel.

In 1922 the population of Palestine consisted of approximately 589,200 Muslims, 83,800 Jews, 71,500 Christians and 7,600 others (1922 census[8]). Gradually a large number of Jews immigrated to the area, most of whom were fleeing increasing persecution in Europe. This immigration and accompanying call for a Jewish state in Palestine drew violent opposition from local Arabs, in part because of Zionism's stated goal of a Jewish state, which many Arabs believed would require the subjugation or removal of the existing non-Jewish population.

On 29 November 1947 the United Nations General Assembly approved a plan, UN General Assembly Resolution 181, to resolve the Arab-Jewish conflict by partitioning Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab.
Each state would comprise three major sections, linked by extraterritorial crossroads; the Arab state would also have an enclave at Jaffa.
With about 32% of the population, the Jews would get 56% of the territory, an area that contained 499,000 Jews and 438,000 Palestinians, though this included the inhospitable Negev Desert in the south.
The Palestinians would get 42% of the land, which had a population of 818,000 Palestinians and 10,000 Jews. In consideration of its religious significance, the Jerusalem area, including Bethlehem, with 100,000 Jews and an equal number of Palestinians, was to become a Corpus Separatum, to be administered by the UN.[27]The Jewish leadership accepted the partition plan as "the indispensable minimum,"[28] glad as they were with the international recognition but sorry that they did not receive more.

Arguing that the partition plan was unfair to the Arabs with regard to the population balance at that time, the representatives of the Palestinian Arabs and the Arab League firmly opposed the UN action and even rejected its authority to involve itself in the entire matter.[30] They upheld "that the rule of Palestine should revert to its inhabitants, in accordance with the provisions of [...] the Charter of the United Nations."[31] According to Article 73b of the Charter, the UN should develop self-government of the peoples in a territory under its administration.

Now that pieces are connected, just imagine this scenario :
- You're English, in UK. Italy has been whipped out by earthquakes.
- Arguing a long back presence of the Romans on your ground, the Romists decide to stage a Roman territory on UK, and the UN, decides to share UK between the Italians and the English-born citizens.
- Thanks to the Italian "diaspora" in the USA, this country decidesd to help the Romists, which they train and arm.
Etc... See the figure ?
It's SF, I agree. But it's what occured to the Palestinians !
There are now more than 5 Million palestinians refugees in the Middle East.
If you think it's not enough to feed the fire ...

Someone in a post, told "we haven't enough bombed them".

I think he should takie some more history curses.

ok according to your post there appears to be no hstory prior to 1922 !!.
if you are going to cherry pick bits of history to suit your aguement please tell us why ?
& can you please show us a detailed history of the past 2000 years in that area, that will show things to be different over who was there over this time.
not saying who is right & who is wrong but i think this debate is
1ff topic
2:incomplete

reply to post by Beltha


I've heard all this since 2001. For almost eight years now its been pounded into my head how dangerous radical islam is. Then I look at the results of the War on Terror. Two wars that haven't officially ended yet. One of which was completely superfluous and more than likely imperial in nature. And not even so much as a confirmation of the capture or killing of the man claimed most responsible for the attacks of 9/11/01. Which is ridiculous to me considering the power of the U.S. and allied forces engaged in battle.

Not to mention if you're a conspiracy theorist then the whole thing was completely a setup and all death and destruction coming from the wars are non-defensive in nature.

The solutions given by those who support the War on Terror who continue to talk about the percentage of radicalism within the islamic population seem to have no peaceful options. Recently I heard Rick Santorum painting all of islam as radical and incapable of being dealt with peacefully.

Basically I choose to ignore people who talk about the War on Terror in these stark terms. I saw the results of the last two wars and I'm not looking towards a third. The threat as claimed even if real has been completely exaggerated and I will never, ever support the War on Terror given how tragically it has been executed.

[edit on 1-3-2009 by Frith]

Originally posted by orkson
reply to post by cooler

 

Ok, sorry to recall some historical facts, but I think it's not useless, if we want to understand the root of the problems we're facing to-day :

The creation of Israel.

In 1922 the population of Palestine consisted of approximately 589,200 Muslims, 83,800 Jews, 71,500 Christians and 7,600 others (1922 census[8]). Gradually a large number of Jews immigrated to the area, most of whom were fleeing increasing persecution in Europe. This immigration and accompanying call for a Jewish state in Palestine drew violent opposition from local Arabs, in part because of Zionism's stated goal of a Jewish state, which many Arabs believed would require the subjugation or removal of the existing non-Jewish population.

On 29 November 1947 the United Nations General Assembly approved a plan, UN General Assembly Resolution 181, to resolve the Arab-Jewish conflict by partitioning Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab.
Each state would comprise three major sections, linked by extraterritorial crossroads; the Arab state would also have an enclave at Jaffa.
With about 32% of the population, the Jews would get 56% of the territory, an area that contained 499,000 Jews and 438,000 Palestinians, though this included the inhospitable Negev Desert in the south.
The Palestinians would get 42% of the land, which had a population of 818,000 Palestinians and 10,000 Jews. In consideration of its religious significance, the Jerusalem area, including Bethlehem, with 100,000 Jews and an equal number of Palestinians, was to become a Corpus Separatum, to be administered by the UN.[27]The Jewish leadership accepted the partition plan as "the indispensable minimum,"[28] glad as they were with the international recognition but sorry that they did not receive more.

Arguing that the partition plan was unfair to the Arabs with regard to the population balance at that time, the representatives of the Palestinian Arabs and the Arab League firmly opposed the UN action and even rejected its authority to involve itself in the entire matter.[30] They upheld "that the rule of Palestine should revert to its inhabitants, in accordance with the provisions of [...] the Charter of the United Nations."[31] According to Article 73b of the Charter, the UN should develop self-government of the peoples in a territory under its administration.

Now that pieces are connected, just imagine this scenario :
- You're English, in UK. Italy has been whipped out by earthquakes.
- Arguing a long back presence of the Romans on your ground, the Romists decide to stage a Roman territory on UK, and the UN, decides to share UK between the Italians and the English-born citizens.
- Thanks to the Italian "diaspora" in the USA, this country decidesd to help the Romists, which they train and arm.
Etc... See the figure ?
It's SF, I agree. But it's what occured to the Palestinians !
There are now more than 5 Million palestinians refugees in the Middle East.
If you think it's not enough to feed the fire ...

Someone in a post, told "we haven't enough bombed them".

I think he should takie some more history curses.

i think the answer to this is called
9/10ths of the law is posession thus if you are bigger than me & or have more guns & bombs than me then you are strong enough to push me of the land i stand on.
as for who is right to stand on that land becuase of a said god is 99.9% likley to cause a war leading to 9/10ths.

reply to post by cooler


Ok.

If you think that speaking of ISRAEL and of the conditions of it's creation on the land of Palestine, is "off topic" when the topic is "Radical Islam", well... you're missing something.

Besides this, don't forget that I didnn't say that it was the ONLY origin of the HATE that radical Islam shows towards the West.

Islam has been, is and will be intrinsiquely a danger for our civilization.

But to be honest, you must aknowledge that in 1922, Arabs, Jews ans Christians lived there IN PEACE since a lot of centuries. Zionism put the fire in this region.

For your claim of "history hasn't begun in 1922" ...
Yes, I know.
Has it begun when GOD "gave" this land to the sons of Israel ?

reply to post by donhuangenaro

the radical view of the muslim world was here looooong before the 'western' influence. just ask the hindu and buddists of india. the only other religion that has spilled as much blood would be the catholics who didn't kill for the name of a god but for gold and domination. eventually the same will happen with islam though, and when the greed sets in like a secondary infection, the true Maker will have the scapel ready to remove the offending area.

Originally posted by orkson
reply to post by cooler

 

Ok.

If you think that speaking of ISRAEL and of the conditions of it's creation on the land of Palestine, is "off topic" when the topic is "Radical Islam", well... you're missing something.

Besides this, don't forget that I didnn't say that it was the ONLY origin of the HATE that radical Islam shows towards the West.

Islam has been, is and will be intrinsiquely a danger for our civilization.

But to be honest, you must aknowledge that in 1922, Arabs, Jews ans Christians lived there IN PEACE since a lot of centuries. Zionism put the fire in this region.

For your claim of "history hasn't begun in 1922" ...
Yes, I know.
Has it begun when GOD "gave" this land to the sons of Israel ?




[/qu
& befor 1922 ?
you still havnt gone into the complete history of the said area.
& yes i agree that islam is a continueing threat to civilization.

Originally posted by orkson
Islam has been, is and will be intrinsiquely a danger for our civilization.

nope

the real danger of the west is itself

it's greed and selfishness

can't you see what is going around you?

Funny videos.

You are in Norway. As received the sames in Canada translated in french.

When I looked to who has done the translation, it was made by Bivouac-id. These folks are related with the French extrem right, and facism movement.

There was a video called the third Jihad: made by Israeli-canadian author, and another folk has been jailed for he was convienced of impersonnating a secret service agent.

Remember that third Jihard vid was distributed fo free in las t US election by pro-Zionist groups...

Funny folks, and they point out, WE Must Support those who are in the front line for the fight of our civilsation in the middle east.

I Don't have a clue about who they are talking about : )))

Do you ?